The "Denmark" gambit....

originally posted by: grainofsand

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: grainofsand

I'm not disagreeing one way or the other. After all, we've learned over the centuries on this side of the pond that you Brits can do no wrong and your system is, per force, ne plus ultra.....

Haha no! There's plenty broken in the UK but I'm happy to pay taxes so that everyone gets health care/treatment/medicine, even if you are homeless without two pennies to rub together.

What is to dislike about that?

Lack of quality. Lack of options. Lack of second opinion. Waiting times.

Google search gives me this: "uk healthcare horror stories"

Overcrowded Hospitals Overwhelm U.K.'s National Health ...
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NPR
Jan 11, 2015 - The horror stories just keep coming in: long lines outside emergency ... In fact, health care professionals say repeated reorganizations under ...

Another UK Health Care Horror Story Which U.S. Press Will ...
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Dec 9, 2012 - The UK's National Health Service has been around since the late 1940s. Despite over 60 years of trying to get health care right, it still doesn't ...

UK health care horror: 1,200 die needlessly in filthy, blood ...
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Hot Air
Feb 26, 2010 - UK health care horror: 1200 die needlessly in filthy, blood-splattered ... The horrific story began in January 2007 when her baby daughter Nyah ...

Another British Healthcare Horror Story: UK Death Panels ...
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Townhall.com
Oct 16, 2012 - Another British Healthcare Horror Story: UK Death Panels - Daniel J. Mitchell - Personal Finance, Financial Advice, Money, Business News, ...

More Stomach-Turning Horror Stories from the UK ...
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More Stomach-Turning Horror Stories from the UK Government-Run Healthcare System. January 11, 2013 by Dan Mitchell. During the Obamacare debate, Paul ...

Another British Healthcare Horror Story - RealClear Politics
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RealClearPolitics
Oct 16, 2012 - Another British Healthcare Horror Story. By Daniel Mitchell ... Here are some of the horrific details from the UK-based Daily Mail. An elderly ...

'Cruel and neglectful' care of one million NHS patients ...
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The Daily Telegraph
Aug 27, 2009 - “These accounts tell the story of the two percent of patients that consistently rate their ... The personal stories were revealed to prevent their cases being ignored as only representing a small portion of patients. ... UK News » ...

Britain's Single-Payer Horror Show: Report Details NHS ...
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PJ Media
Jul 25, 2013 - Not only is Britain's socialized healthcare system broken, it's well on the way ... The NHS and the Welfare State is a God here in the UK. ..... We've all heard scare stories about how that works in practice; these stories are false.

Is Britain's Health-Care System Really That Bad? - Time
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Time
Aug 18, 2009 - Opponents of President Obama's health-care-reform plans have been using ... scare ads with horror stories from British patients on its website.

Another UK Health Care Horror Story Which U.S. Press Will ...
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Free Republic
Dec 9, 2012 - Another UK Health Care Horror Story Which U.S. Press Will Ignore ... Personally, I think that health care in most of our hospitals has ...

a reply to: nwtrucker

You're right. We can't be so reactionary. Going the exact opposite direction isn't the answer. It'd be nice if we took a few steps back to examine what was working for us then putting our focus into those things. Once we right the ship then we can start moving forward again.

This is like having a long term girlfriend and you're feeling unhappy so sometimes you gotta say "other countries...we have to take some time off to explore ourself. It's not that we don't think you're great, but we want to work on just us for a little while and when we start feeling like things are getting better then we'll call and we can talk".

Would be nice for a change if we put our feet up and let the world do its thing. America never rests though. It's sad.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: amazing

I have zero disagreement with your assessment.....except for one huge point. They want it, they have it. Much like Mass. with Romney Care. Each non-state/nation in the EU seems to be deciding that for themselves. Not enforced by the EU...so far, on everyone else who doesn't want it.

70% in the U.S. don't want the ACA...which is totally different than Free medical. The ACA is enforced! Simple.

Let each state decide for themselves if they want it or not and leave the rest be. It's fair. It reflects the wishes of each state's citizens.

Freedom of choice is an issue...apparently less and less, these days, but I'm not letting that one go and apparently neither is the majority....

But you see we've already lost freedom of choice. Our taxes are taken out, heavily and what do we have to show for it? Nothing.

My taxes go to a bloated military with 700 bases around the world. They ain't all needed. They go to bail out big banks and pay welfare to oil companies. I really don't want my taxes going to any of that.

If we were more like Denmark, my taxes would be going to "Free" Healthcare, "Free" College courses and better safety nets for those less fortunate than us and for my pension so that I could actually retire in my 60s.

That's why I want to be more like Denmark..oh and did you see how much paid vacation, maternity, Paternity leave they get and basically only work 33 hours per week and more...

I've seen some memes floating around denouncing the Scandinavian countries for how they're cold, dark, have high rates of depression, low "economic freedom" (someone needs to define that) and high taxes.

One simple question: Why aren't they all moving here then?

I suspect these are nothing more than fearful people spreading negative propaganda to incite fear -- one of the most powerful emotions. And we know that people's minds are easily made up and shaped by employing emotions.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

You miss the point of the thread. I agree I've seen both scenarios exaggerated by the left and the right. Some idyllic nirvana to an over taxed and refugee infested nations.

Personally, I think socialism in limited amounts is valid. Certainly more so in smaller nations which are equivalent to our states. Nation-wide, in the U.S., is too imposing on those that disagree with that system. Just my opinion though.

What I've gotten in response to the thread is a general attitude of acceptance and qualified approval with the system.

Where I have a problem is citing Norway as an example the U.S. should follow, again size issues and diversity comes into play. My compromise point is let each state decide as the Constitution clearly intended rather than arbitrary rulings on a federal level that more often than not go against the wishes of the majority.

There will always be trouble when that occurs and we're seeing it now in the U.S..

a reply to: amazing

I get that's what YOU want. Your problem is there's a bunch of 'me's" out here that don't want it.

So what's the solution to that dilemma? Let each state decide and call it fair. Otherwise, continued increases in 'loss of choice' will backfire to the point of destroying the nation.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

If I google US horror stories I get a list to.......

As I said the UK may be better than the US on healthcare but it it really really isnt the best system and has plenty of faults. I would look at France, Sweden, norway, japan, the netherlands, Austria, new Zealand and Switzerland.

For you comments about no second option? Thats bull# right there as one can go to a private hospital in the UK.

But why are we talking about the UK? As this thread is about DENMARK!

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: crazyewok

No, I know the best is British. They can do no wrong, commit no sin and look down their noses equally at everyone else...

Thats why god gave us long noises!

a reply to: crazyewok

Read the thread. I said the same thing earlier. Turkey.....