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The History of the "Israeli Palestinian conflict", All 100+ years of it.

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posted on Oct, 14 2015 @ 11:31 PM
With all the tensions, fighting, killing, name calling and so on, i think it important to have an in depth Truthful look at the causes and history of the israeli conflict.

To preface the information i will be posting i must say that killing, with the exception of self defense, is abhorrent. Neither the Israelis nor palestinians have any excuse to take life without an imminent danger to themselves.(white phosphorus and child bombers are horrific and inexcusable in any situation)
So we will be putting aside the screams of OCCUPATION and OPPRESSION for this one ok?

So... before the 1948 Arab Israeli War citizens of the British Mandate of Palestine; Jews, Christian Arabs, and Muslim Arabs were ALL called Palestinians.

How everyone got there is a rather long story which is nicely illustrated with the following video

the Jewish population got there in antiquity, First Abraham and his children, then later as the nation of Israel who conquered the Canaanites with several exiles and returns through to the modern age.
some of the Christian population got there during the roman, byzantine, and somewhat during the crusades.
some of the arab population (Mamluk, Druze, Bedouin, and others) got there after they raided byzantine palaestina, and back and forth with the crusaders.
in the early 1800s the local muslim, christian, and jewish palestinians were being pushed around by Egypt. At that time the Ruler of Egypt had attempted to conscript thousands of palestinian peasants in an attempt to break away from Turkish Ottoman Rule. This directly led to the Peasants revolt in Palestine

The rebels besieged and fired at the citadel and a wave of mass looting followed for the next three days. Virtually every Muslim, Jewish and Christian-owned shop was raided and damaged.[21] Because the Muslim shops were the last to be plundered, their owners were able to salvage most of their valuable merchandise.[22] A Greek monk named Spyridon who resided in the city wrote that once the homes of Egyptian officers were looted, the rebels "began to loot the shops of the Jews, the Christians, the Franks, and then the Muslims. The grocers, the shoemakers and every other dealer suffered alike. Within two or three days there was not one shop intact in the market".[22] Protests by some citizens against the looting went unheeded as they were outnumbered by rebels.

in 1867, when Mark Twain visited Ottoman Palestine he had this to say about the land and its inhabitants

On Jerusalem
It seems to me that all the races and colors and tongues of the earth must be represented among the fourteen thousand souls that dwell in Jerusalem. Rags, wretchedness, poverty and dirt, those signs and symbols that indicate the presence of Moslem rule more surely than the crescent-flag itself, abound.

The population of Jerusalem is composed of Moslems, Jews, Greeks, Latins, Armenians, Syrians, Copts, Abyssinians, Greek Catholics, and a handful of Protestants. One hundred of the latter sect are all that dwell now in this birthplace of Christianity. The nice shades of nationality comprised in the above list, and the languages spoken by them, are altogether too numerous to mention. It seems to me that all the races and colors and tongues of the earth must be represented among the fourteen thousand souls.

On the land of Palestine
Of all the lands there are for dismal scenery, I think Palestine must be the prince. The hills are barren, they are dull of color, they are unpicturesque in shape. The valleys are unsightly deserts fringed with a feeble vegetation that has an expression about it of being sorrowful and despondent.

Around that time native and European Jews and the JNF started buying hundreds of acres of desert and swampland in Palestine from the Ottomans and local landlords.

within a few short years land that was deserted since before the crusades began to flourish and give fruit again.
And the people who sold that swampland for pennies on the dollar started to have sellers remorse.

then WWI happened, Ottomans lost and Madatory Palestine was borne

As the grass grew greener Jew and Muslim alike began flowing into Israel. Some emigrated legally, many not.
by 1917 the Balfour Declaration stated

"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

The Arabs expressed disapproval in November 1918 at the parade marking the first anniversary of the Balfour Declaration. The Muslim-Christian Association protested the carrying of new "white and blue banners with two inverted triangles in the middle". They drew the attention of the authorities to the serious consequences of any political implications in raising the banners

later the Faisal - Weizmann agreement

was signed on 3 January 1919, by Emir Faisal (son of the King of Hejaz), who was for a short time King of the Arab Kingdom of Syria or Greater Syria in 1920, and was King of the Kingdom of Iraq from August 1921 to 1933, and Chaim Weizmann (later President of the World Zionist Organization) as part of the Paris Peace Conference, 1919 settling disputes stemming from World War I. It was a short-lived agreement for Arab–Jewish cooperation on the development of a Jewish homeland in Palestine and an Arab nation in a large part of the Middle East.

then the UN Partition Plan of 1947 which
the arabs rejected and was quickly followed by the 1947-48 civil war in Mandatory Palestine

which led into the 1948 Arab Israeli War
which led to the Establishment of the state of israel.

to be continued .....
edit on 14-10-2015 by dashen because: (no reason given)

posted on Oct, 14 2015 @ 11:41 PM
Leave it to outsiders in the West to ruin a local dispute and exacerbate the consequences....

The region is in turmoil because outsiders took sides unfairly.

posted on Oct, 14 2015 @ 11:54 PM
a reply to: notmyrealname

Not only but the one sidedness is apparent in the OP, calling it "The Israelli Conflict", and :

So we will be putting aside the screams of OCCUPATION and OPPRESSION for this one ok?

I'm sure the Chosenites would like everyone to forget that.

posted on Oct, 15 2015 @ 12:01 AM
And it begins.....

posted on Oct, 15 2015 @ 01:25 AM
Just thought I would pop this in concerning the 'traditional historical claims you make concerning Abraham whose existence although claimed has never been proved.

"The Bible's internal chronology places Abraham around 2000 BCE.[4] Despite this, "there is nothing specific in the Genesis stories that can be definitively related to known history in or around Canaan in the early second millennium B.C.E."[5] and, according to professor Paula McNutt, "it is now widely agreed that the so-called 'patriarchal/ancestral period' is a later literary construct, not a period in the actual history of the ancient world".[6] The majority of scholars believe that the Pentateuch was composed in the Persian period (roughly 520–320 BCE),[7] as a result of tensions between the Jewish landowners who had stayed in Judah during the Babylonian captivity and claimed Abraham as the "father" through whom they traced their right to the land, and the returning "Priestly" exiles who based their claim to dominance on Moses and the Exodus tradition."[8]

Naturally you present the bizarre (The Balfour Declaration, which was basically about money being supplied by Rothschild and co to fund Britain's war efforts and the cost for that (apart from massive interest) was the land of Palestine) so in fact Israel was bought in order to fund war). Nothing about acknowledging historical claims despite the propaganda machine in full drive, it was purely about finance.

If every country were contested for purely exclusive ownership which is what you are banging on about for Israel/Palestine, the world would be in chaos because people move and resettle. Just because you think your tribe lived in such and such a land in the ancient past, it doesn't give you the right to claim that land from the people who live there today. In fact the Balfour Agreement made safe provision for all peoples who lived there - hardly acknowledged today though.

I think everyone knows the Arabs decided not to have their own State in 1947/48 which is a decision they clearly regret but does that make what is happening today either right or less understandable? How would you feel were the situation in the reverse?

Whether we like it or not the world is multicultural, multi-religious etc etc do you honestly think in 2015 one country can ignore the fact the world has moved on. On that basis, do you think all Jews should live in Israel only and not live in other countries which is the opposite of what appears to be the view you are promoting about who should live exclusively in Israel/Palestine?

posted on Oct, 15 2015 @ 04:30 AM
a reply to: dashen

I wanted to add two tid bits of things I have read this year that might add some context to the bigger picture ....

The gruesome and shameful history of British concentration camps for Jewish refugees in Palestine during the Second World War still remains largely unspoken.

When one refers to the issue of Jewish concentration camps, the dark history of the Nazi Holocaust aimed against European Jews usually comes to mind; however, it was not only fascist regimes who detained Jews in the 1930s-1940s.

Remarkably, the story of British concentration camps for Jewish refugees still remains largely untold.

"Today, when Europe is shutting its borders in the face of the huge flow of Arab refugees from Syria and Iraq, it is worth mentioning that Britain, now lecturing others on moral values, in 1939-1948 captured and detained, in its own concentration camps, thousands of Jewish refugees who escaped doom in Nazi death camps," Russian-Israeli travel blogger Alexander Lapshin wrote on his Facebook page.

In the 1930s European Jews were not welcomed anymore in Nazi-controlled Germany. The Jewish community was stigmatized, and anti-Semitism was on the rise. In the face of increasing repression many Jews fled Germany. Needless to say, the nationwide Kristallnacht ("Night of Crystal") in Germany in November 1938 facilitated a sharp increase in Jewish emigration.

Read more: And this was a real eye opener for me

posted on Oct, 15 2015 @ 04:41 AM
a reply to: Shiloh7

A book by Earnest L Martin "Restoring the Original Bible " is a good read and explains things like when and who decided what to put into it

From chapter 12 "There were five periods in the history of Israel in which the canonization of sacred scriptures took place. The final collection was established in the time of Ezra and Nehemiah and, of course, this latter canonization must be reckoned the most important. But when one surveys the biblical evidence for the other periods, a great deal of instruction in overall biblical teaching can be the result.

In this chapter we want to give the biblical evidence for these times of canonization. There are some plain statements within the Bible that mention these periods but often they are not considered important by some scholars today. Since our emphasis in this book, however, is to focus on what the Bible says about itself, I believe it is essential to mention these periods which the Bible takes a considerable amount of space to relate." There is also audio files to the book

posted on Oct, 15 2015 @ 06:07 AM
a reply to: Shiloh7

Nothing about acknowledging historic claims?
Arabs christians jews were all living there, i wrote nothing different.
exclusively live there???
Where are you pulling this from?
Israel has almost 2 million arab citizens who occupy posts in goventment military and finance.
What are you going on about?
edit on 15-10-2015 by dashen because: (no reason given)

posted on Oct, 15 2015 @ 06:16 AM
a reply to: Shiloh7

Explain to me how Abraham and bible was "made up" in the Babylonian period as a response to land ownership???
Who ? In ANY situation would create a book with SO many laws and strict measures on its own people for Land Ownership?
Fast days? Holidays? Rules of war? Kosher??
613 primary laws, and many many more peripheral laws, to prove land ownership? say wha? it would be FAR more logical to invent an easy book with easy laws.
if a book like that was was invented suddenly and was dropped on ANY NATION out of thin air they would rise up in mass revolution.
Does that make any sense???
edit on 15-10-2015 by dashen because: (no reason given)

posted on Oct, 15 2015 @ 08:48 AM
Notice how before 1948t there was no "palestinian nation."
There were tribal muslim arabs, Christian arabs, Bedouins, druze and others.
Gaza was admininstrated by egypt. Jerusalem by the jordanians

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