Equality, and Other Stupidities

Thank you for your kind words...

This really depends on how much the subjective and objective interact and obviously there are large philosophical debates and scientific debates on this interaction. I would say that ethically your position is certainly logical and diligent, I think in the broader scope of objectivity life begins equal as I stated in my first thought, which then leads me to altruism. Cheers brother

The idea of Equality does cause the idea of discrimination by being aware of equality or discrimination, indifference however would be the more desired effect due to being detached from such concepts of class or race.

As for the opposite sex, I will never understand...

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Like so many others, you're confusing the value of life with the value of life's produce.

When people speak of equality, they are addressing the inequalities [of value] that life suffers based solely on life's intrinsic value.

All life has value that should not be alienated: should not be caused to suffer unjustly, etc., etc.

All life's products' values, on the other hand, well, that's for markets to decide.

nicely written, as always!

I would say that I agree to a certain point. From prospective of ourselves/humans then equality is non existent and is like a bait word, which everyone likes to hear and talk about. Even though there is no of it present on our planet. We are different. Especially if you put animals and plants to the mix, then equality is just a nice word which worms the heart.

That is the part which I find agreeable from my point of view.

But then there is just one half of the coin. The other half, the one who created us, animals, planets and the whole universe and even gods. From this prospective all is equal, because we are all made from it and we have the same source. There is no other! in other words, the universe in absolute reality is just made from two things. The elements and it.
You do not acknowledge this side, but that does not mean it is non existent. You just have not searched enough within you to recognize it yet. But someday I am sure and hope you will, as we are all developing and are just where we need to be in order to learn from our life just what we need and move on to the next. We are eternal beings who are all equal from its prospective. It does not make any differences be it a planet, plant, animal, god, human or whatever your imagination can imagine, he is it.

And I think that we should strive in our lives to learn and develop ourself in a way which can shatter our chains of egoism and of ourselves so we can make better choices in life in order to cultivate love for all that is. Because only than we can truly make equality a reality. And the fastest way to that is the silence. The more quiet we become the more we here. Silence is the language of God all other is poor translation - quote by Rumi

There are only 2 sides, all others are subgroups: Love of Power and Power of Love. Gravity versus Progression and passing the grade.

This thread is despicable. Dark wings. People who sell out their minds to ISMS and dog eat dog, harm others, harm earth, harm advancing our planet in Equality and Freedom, with high clean technology.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

All one has to do is compare two newborns to see that we are not born equal.

I think you have hit the nail on the head. We need some genetic improvements distributed to all parents so all newborns will be born equal. Then add equal education and upbringing, and you will have the equality you seem to be missing.

a reply to: Unity_99

This thread is despicable. Dark wings. People who sell out their minds to ISMS and dog eat dog, harm others, harm earth, harm advancing our planet in Equality and Freedom, with high clean technology.

Throw those who disagree with you in with the scary, the dangerous and the diseased. There is no better way to avoid their arguments than to automatically assume you're dealing with evil. Then again, those who accuse others of being in such bad company are often found to be in bad company themselves. Your attitude sounds like the beginning of a witch hunt.

The fundamental problem with equality, IMHO, is that it seems more likely to reduce the whole to a lowest common denominator rather than elevate to the fullest potential. Individually it works but collectively it seems problematic.

a reply to: Unity_99

This thread is despicable. Dark wings. People who sell out their minds to ISMS and dog eat dog, harm others, harm earth

LesMis wrote

This is why I choose equity over equality, so we can give reward to those who do not expect reward, and so that we can entitle those who do not feel that they are entitled, but have earned it.

Unity...I think you are reading some other thread...

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

This is what used to tie me up in knots when I was studying Marxism many moons ago. He realised that a dictator would be necessary initially, to enforce our societal equity. And no matter how may ways I tried to circumvent this addition to his utopia...it was impossible.
Everything must come down to a value judgement, and I sometimes wonder if we were designed to live together in large groups. Society necessitates a lot of twisting: of instincts, of ethics and of beliefs. But we can rub along together fairly well if we turn the other cheek etc.

I like this bit the best though:

If we are equal in the eyes of God or the law—whatever the case may be, it all serves the same function—this all-powerful coordinator is unable to distinguish one human and situation from the next, which would place it somewhere in the realm of idiocy.

All of us are born, age, die.

This is what makes us equal.

As far as possessions and so on....we cannot take that with us after death.

That also makes us all equal.

Any thoughts?

Fair treatment vs fair possession. Making sure the men who picked the harvest get their fill vs making sure everyone in town gets exactly the same amount.

But how does that system work in a society that protects the sick and feeble as fervently as it does the able bodied?

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Different sperm and eggs, different parents, it doesn't matter, humanity regenerates, we are human and the rest of mankind.

You can only push/prop people so far up the chain.
It is possible to push the best down to the bottom.
It's easy to tear down and make everyone equal. That's what people are willingly signing up for, feel the Bern, man.....

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

1. We are all supposed to be equal under the law, regardless of whether it changes or not, and there are laws that have never changed, only the outcome of breaking the laws has changed.

The law is supposed to grant civil liberties and protect others against crime equally. Unfortunately money has managed to keep this equality from becoming reality.

2. We are equal in respect to our potential for Spirituality and Philosophy.

Everyone has an equal opportunity to spiritual and philosophical growth. To understand Divine or philosophical wisdom one must look within oneself.

For the Atheist the search ends at philosophy. For the Theists what is Devine is the center of his philosophy.

The Founding Fathers favored the word "disinterested", as a way to describe the ideal of government. Equality is not possible to enforce except by limiting all those who have some ability that is more than the average.

Rights and Justice are not physical forces or gods or spirits. Rights and Justice are what the ruling classes have among their peerage. Rights and Justice are natural behavior in a voluntary society.

Inalienable Rights are all negative rights. Inalienable Rights are really only one Right, inherent in each human mind, vis., each person does what he thinks is best or most enjoyable, all of the time, and no one can rightfully force him to do otherwise.

In balance of the Right is the Law. No one can take or destroy the property of another person, except in self defense, as determined by a jury of their peers.

No matter what type society and government rules the world, we all need to eat and rest. All quality of life beyond personal relationships depends on wealth and technology. The closest thing to equality is the system that makes the most wealth and technology available to the below average person.

Capitalism has done that. The richest new wealth class got their fortune from serving the masses with new inventions and more user friendly products. The old wealth class gets money from the system, but they would get that, or its equivalent in service, in any hierarchy they are born on top of.

Capitalism made the cake, socialism puts on the frosting and claims to have made the whole thing.