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I would love to see some examples and parallels with this ?
originally posted by: yulka
originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: mungbean
Anyway, if anyone with the smarts could explain to me how a chemical explosion above ground could possibly create such a deep penetrating 3 acre hole in the ground ? Because with my limited knowledge of physics it just doesn't add up.
If you place a stick of dynamite on open ground it will not make a crater. If you place a thin sheet of binder paper on top of the dynamite the paper will reflect some of the energy back, producing a crater.
They also reflect blast waves with sand bags when demolishing bridge or building column supports. It contains the blast and directs more energy at the column. Drilled holes are packed with earth or sand after charges are placed in them, in mining.
This is called Tamping.
Where is the energy directed to?
originally posted by: mungbean
a reply to: rockpaperhammock The defacto war that is now in full swing between China and America ( and their respective allies )
Did you see 30 percent get wiped off the chinese stock market ? ( that was an act of war ) The chinese dumping American debt and assaulting the illegitimate petrodollar ? ( that is an act of war ) have you seen the rhetoric and statements made in regards to the south china sea and the pivot to asia ? And you ask what conflict ??? Conflict comes in many forms and the all out confrontation you elude to is almost always preceded by such acts of infrastructural sabotage. The art of war would e a good book to open your eyes as to the various forms of warfare that are utilised.
so yoy say certainly not the USA ? perhaps they are trying to goad China into attacking like they did to Japan before Pearl harbor. Their economy is about to implode and the only way to maintain hegemony is a military conflict while they still have the supposed superiority. I truly do not see how you cannot see a motive for attacking this port. I have explained many reasons throughout the thread why it is surely an effective target. I cannot sit here and tell you ANYTHING for sure ! I can tell you 'I' am sure but that is merely my own personal beliefs. I think that it is basic logic as to why it was highly possible at the least. And let me say that without the dynamics of that crater, the censorship going on, the anomalies and inconsistencies, the size and charecteristics of the blast I would probably be in agreeance with you.
So yes I was implying an economic entity - not a renegade group as you put it ( the USA or maybe the world bankers who are being challenged by BRICS and the new banking system ) attacked a very crucial asset in the ongoing war we are seeing unfold. Or ... perhaps but less likely in my eyes it was self inflicted for reasons yet unknown to me. But logic denotes this was not an accident and the official explanation does not fit.
originally posted by: yulka
a reply to: intrptr
Assumption to make it logical to the crater, store a #load of explosives underground, plausible, yes. Do i believe it? No, but the story with the crater must be a logical one, therefor explosives underground =)
Before the explosions, many firefighters were already at the scene trying to control a blaze, AFP reports.
There have been suggestions that water sprayed on some of the chemicals could have led to the blasts.
Calcium carbide, known to be at the site, reacts with water to create the highly explosive acetylene.
Chemical experts suggest an acetylene blast could then have detonated ammonium nitrate for a much larger blast.
originally posted by: Flavian
I don't buy the sabotage argument for a couple of reasons.
Primarily, the reaction of the Chinese Government. Management already detained and Government officials going absolutely bat # crazy with local officials for not giving out information and smudging the issue point very tellingly to corruption and / or gross negligence.
Secondly (and actually just as important), why target Tianjin for sabotage? If sabotage was your game, there were far better targets available. Whilst this seems huge to us over here, there are far bigger chemical storage facilities within China and in areas with more people.
Conspiracies certainly exist in various human spheres but never overlook good old human incompetence. I see they have now publicly admitted that there were over 700 tonnes of Sodium Cyanide stored at the facility - that was licensed to store around 20 Tonnes. Greed, corruption, human error - and some heads to roll following an investigation.
Greenpeace have also been being testing ground water in the wider city area of Tianjin at various test sites and found no excess levels of Cyanide (beyond normal background readings). All the raised levels found so far have been within the cordoned off area.