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Incompetence of the FBI and NSA inre national security aka the peoples safety

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posted on Jul, 20 2015 @ 11:44 AM
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How protected are we with terrorist attacks? Even though we are supposedly being watched/listened to, it would appear that the agencies responsible for our so called security are incompetent! I would assume the NSA isn't communicating with the FBI. Below are some examples of missed opportunities to get the bad guys! Or as I call it, incompetence maximus!


Al-Awlaki e-mails[edit]

Hasan was investigated by the FBI after intelligence agencies intercepted at least 18 e-mails between him and Anwar al-Awlaki between December 2008 and June 2009.[63] al-Awlaki was a major influence on radical English-speaking jihadis internationally, and contact with him by an American officer would naturally raise concerns. en.wikipedia.org...



Nidal Malik Hasan


The FBI investigated him twice — in 1994 and 2002 — for allegedly making financial contributions to entities controlled by Hamas, the Islamist Palestinian militant group that runs the Gaza Strip, U.S. officials said. He was put on a terrorism watch list the second time but later removed.
www.google.com...=Foort+Hood+shooter+was+investigated+prior+to+the+shooting



Tamerlan Tsarnaev, one of the suspected bombers behind the Boston Marathon bombing last year, was approached by the FBI because of his extremist views and asked to work as an informant, according to court records filed by Dzhokhar Tsarnaev’s defense team. [/
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In a 23-page court filing Dzhokhar’s defense team asked the court to force the prosecution to hand over more evidence in the case that would be useful to their argument. Included in the document was the assertion that the FBI, aware of Tamerlan’s radical Islamist views, asked him to work as an informant on certain factions in the Boston region.

The court request said “the FBI made more than one visit to talk with Anzor, Zubeidat [Dzhokhar and Tamerlan’s parents] and Tamerlan, question Tamerlan about his internet searches, and asked him to be an informant, reporting on the Chechen and Muslim community,” as quoted by WBUR Boston.
www.rt.com...


Russian authorities warned the FBI in early 2011 that suspected bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev may have been a follower of “radical Islam,” a revelation that raised new questions in Congress on Saturday about whether the Boston Marathon attacks that killed three and wounded more than 170 could have been prevented.

A senior congressional aide privy to the Boston Marathon terror investigation confirmed Saturday that the FBI received the warning after Tsarnaev’s apparently suspicious activities caught the attention of Russian authorities keeping close surveillance on militant Islamist groups in the Caucasus region of the former Soviet Union.
www.bostonglobe.com...



Here is the Complaint, filed on April 2, 2015 alleging gross mishandling of the case on many levels, and concealment of evidence exonerating Bruce Ivins:


www.documentcloud.org...
Oh but this is sweet!

Excerpts:

5. This complaint further details how Defendants’ derelict failure to perform their mandated legal duties to Plaintiff was driven by Defendants’ blinding animus toward Plaintiff for Plaintiff’s prior whistleblower reports of FBI and DOJ mismanagement of the FBI’s investigation into the anthrax attacks of 2001 (code named “AMERITHRAX”).

From pages 23 to 25:

50. In the fall of 2001, following the 9/11 attacks, a series of anthrax mailings occurred which killed five Americans and sickened 17 others. Four anthrax-laden envelopes were recovered which were addressed to two news media outlets in New York City (the New York Post and Tom Brokaw at NBC) and two senators in Washington D.C. (Patrick Leahy and Tom Daschle). The anthrax letters addressed to New York were mailed on September 18, 2001, just seven days after the 9/11 attacks. The letters addressed to the senators were mailed 21 days later on October 9, 2001. A fifth mailing of anthrax is believed to have been directed to American Media, Inc. (AMI) in Boca Raton, Florida based upon the death of one AMI employee from anthrax poisoning and heavy spore contamination in the building.

51. Executive management at FBI Headquarters assigned responsibility for the anthrax investigation (code named “AMERITHRAX”) to the Washington Field Office (WFO), dubbing it the single most important case in the FBI at that time.

52. In October 2002, in the wake of surging media criticism, White House impatience with a seeming lack of investigative progress by WFO, and a concerned Congress that was considering revoking the FBI’s charter to investigate terrorism cases, Defendant FBI Director Mueller reassigned Plaintiff from the FBI’s San Diego Field Office to the Inspection Division at FBI Headquarters and placed Plaintiff in charge of the AMERITHRAX case as an “Inspector.”While leading the investigation for the next four years, Plaintiff’s efforts to advance the case met with intransigence from WFO’s executive management, apathy and error from the FBI Laboratory, politically motivated communication embargos from FBI Headquarters, and yet another preceding and equally erroneous legal opinion from Defendant Kelley – all of which greatly obstructed and impeded the investigation.

53. On July 6, 2006, Plaintiff provided a whistleblower report of mismanagement to the FBI’s Deputy Director pursuant to Title 5, United States Code, Section 2303. Reports of mismanagement conveyed in writing and orally included: (a) WFO’s persistent understaffing of the AMERITHRAX investigation; (b) the threat of WFO’s Agent in charge to retaliate if Plaintiff disclosed the understaffing to FBI Headquarters; (c) WFO’s insistence on staffing the AMERITHRAX investigation principally with new Agents recently graduated from the FBI Academy resulting in an average investigative tenure of 18 months with 12 of 20 Agents assigned to the case having no prior investigative experience at all; (d) WFO’s eviction of the AMERITHRAX Task Force from the WFO building in downtown Washington and its relegation to Tysons Corner, Virginia to free up space for Attorney General Ashcroft’s new pornography squads; (e) FBI Director’s Mueller’s mandate to Plaintiff to “compartmentalize” the AMERITHRAX investigation by stove piping the flow of case information and walling off task force members from those aspects of the case not specifically assigned to them – a move intended to stem the tide of anonymous media leaks by government officials regarding details of the investigation. This sequestration edict decimated morale and proved unnecessary in light of subsequent civil litigation which established that the media leaks were attributable to the United States Attorney for the District of the District of Columbia and to a Supervisory Special Agent in the FBI’s National Press Office, not to investigators on the AMERITHRAX Task Force;

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posted on Jul, 20 2015 @ 11:53 AM
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You are correct. The communication between agencies is highly lacking, and much of the time not solicited. Hell, sometimes different services within the same agency refuse to communicate with each other, regardless of how self destructive it may be.



posted on Jul, 20 2015 @ 12:07 PM
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originally posted by: usernameconspiracy
You are correct. The immunication between agencies is highly lacking, and much of the time not solicited. Hell, sometimes different services within the same agency refuse to communicate with each other, regardless of how self destructive it may be.


You know the sign....as in here's your sign? This is total incompetence. I am ashamed of our security measures and the false pretenses under which they navigate.



posted on Jul, 20 2015 @ 12:12 PM
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One of Snowden's many revealings shared that lots of snooping went on with people's -non suspects- private data-article-see here. Those in the article are so busy with those that they are missing the crucial connections. Goes without mentioning, with so many sects within the agencies tied into the overall system, information collection and it's proper investigation is bound to be disjointed.



posted on Jul, 20 2015 @ 01:56 PM
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a reply to: StoutBroux

Besides a keen interest in its own citizens, the USG is always looking for a false flag to coalesce. It's more helpful if these are staffed by unwitting pawns with the correct ideology and name.

Maybe that's why they get so cozy with these individuals and don't do anything to impede them?

The proposed answer to threats is always more of the Fascist surveillance state which breaks down to more budget and more freedom to operate.

Let's try less Fascist surveillance state and less military imperialism shall we?
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posted on Jul, 20 2015 @ 02:39 PM
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I've made this same argument here before, our post 9/11 policies don't make us safer in fact they put us in greater danger. We have an NSA that forces back doors into software... back doors that other nations can use once they learn it exists. They actually sue people who make secure software and hardware because it means they can't get into it.

In the cases brought up what we have is an acquisition problem. We've taken the idea that more data means we can catch more plots however this isn't true and it hasn't been true for a while. All of the mentioned examples involved people who simply slipped through the cracks, the current approach can't point to a single attack it has prevented. This was even true on 9/11 where we knew something was going down but there was so much information coming in that we couldn't focus on what mattered. It is 1000x worse than that today.

We have a problem with prioritizing information and we've turned what should be a needle in a haystack search to a specific pebble on the bottom of the ocean.



posted on Jul, 20 2015 @ 02:43 PM
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It's important to keep in mind that none of the alphabet agencies nor the government in general is concerned with protecting the public. It's not their mission. They are singularly focused on protecting the interests of business and the people behind them. That includes the elite that the system sees as the drivers of the economy. Local law enforcement is used as a barrier between us (the masses) and the elite/business world. We're seen as expendable whereas businesses, the infrastructure they require, and the people behind them are viewed as essential.



posted on Jul, 21 2015 @ 09:34 AM
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originally posted by: jtma508
It's important to keep in mind that none of the alphabet agencies nor the government in general is concerned with protecting the public. It's not their mission. They are singularly focused on protecting the interests of business and the people behind them. That includes the elite that the system sees as the drivers of the economy. Local law enforcement is used as a barrier between us (the masses) and the elite/business world. We're seen as expendable whereas businesses, the infrastructure they require, and the people behind them are viewed as essential.


Your's and the other's replys are proof of some priority. The lack of responses....pft. I don't understand it but it is what it is. If I were like Beezer or someone else, I'd get some serious responses. But thank you for yours.
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posted on Jul, 21 2015 @ 09:56 AM
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originally posted by: jtma508
It's important to keep in mind that none of the alphabet agencies nor the government in general is concerned with protecting the public. It's not their mission. They are singularly focused on protecting the interests of business and the people behind them. That includes the elite that the system sees as the drivers of the economy. Local law enforcement is used as a barrier between us (the masses) and the elite/business world. We're seen as expendable whereas businesses, the infrastructure they require, and the people behind them are viewed as essential.


Yet they made a point of their [AWAIRNESS[/]



posted on Jul, 21 2015 @ 10:02 AM
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originally posted by: jtma508
It's important to keep in mind that none of the alphabet agencies nor the government in general is concerned with protecting the public. It's not their mission. They are singularly focused on protecting the interests of business and the people behind them. That includes the elite that the system sees as the drivers of the economy. Local law enforcement is used as a barrier between us (the masses) and the elite/business world. We're seen as expendable whereas businesses, the infrastructure they require, and the people behind them are viewed as essential.


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