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Demonic apparition pretending Virgin Mary in India rejoices at children's suffering!

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posted on Jul, 1 2015 @ 09:26 AM
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originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: JUhrman
Rather than attacking the OP, and insulting his character and person. Why don't you try sticking to the topic of the thread!? Attack the information, not the OP!

I personally, do not believe any of this. I think it is part of what is wrong with the world today, but I'm not going to beat the OP over the head for posting it.



I'm sorry but i dont subscribe to the "dont hurt the messenger" thing here on ATS. Hes posting it, he clearly believes it, he has to take responsibility for this rubbish

The T&C's and staff would disagree with you.

Heated and passionate debates are had on ATS every day without the need for ad hominems.




posted on Jul, 1 2015 @ 09:36 AM
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originally posted by: JUhrman

originally posted by: Klassified
Attack the information, not the OP!


1) I did not attack the OP but his/her opinion and the info shared
2) If the OP distorts the information from the link posted he/she is responsible for this. The thread title and info posted here is based on a personal and incorrect interpretation of the linked article (article actually advocating for cautiousness)

1. Maybe you need to go back and read your own posts. You made some ad hominem remarks, and they were uncalled for. At least own up to it.
2. Then correct what you deem to be incorrect. No one has any problem with that. Least of all me.

Another thing that really irks me is, attacking the source instead of the information. However bad the source, it is the information that must validated or invalidated. Attacking the source is what children do to win arguments.



posted on Jul, 1 2015 @ 09:38 AM
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a reply to: Klassified

Report me if you think I did something wrong. I don't see where.



posted on Jul, 1 2015 @ 11:47 AM
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I had enough experiences, including by some respected by me posters, who may appear quite soon, to say their "infallible" Catholic position.

You know I feel a little bit uncomfortable because this is a completely new apparition for me. If it was not for Spiritdaily I wouldn't know of it. Perhaps by Divine chance, I gazed at the phrase "suffering of children" and that made my entire conversion from initially benevolent reader to outright denier. Because God cannot play with things like that.

It should be defined better, as it was by pope Benedict, that God does not send babies in limbo only because they are not baptized. (in Middle ages the catholic belief was - God sent the babies directly into the hell fires, then they invented the limbo as the lesser evil).

How could God or Virgin Mary enjoy in the suffering of kids? It could be permitted suffering, as we know of so many tragedies and illnesses occur with kids, but in no way "enjoyment" for the heavenly host! This is not out of context or my view, it is what is written in the last message of 2002, that besides the phrase of children suffering, uses the word suffering 7 or more times. Perhaps in some Indian style, don't have idea. I am not specialist in Indian catholic apparitions. It sounds unacceptable for me.

Let me make that comparison with Star Wars Rebels 2, a film for kids and older ones, having its premiere on June 20. Dart Vader in order to find the rebels, punished innocent refugees and burned their settlement. Because he knew the Jedi always go where the innocent suffer.

Is God therefore a kind of Sith Lord? I guess He is not. Neither Virgin Mary is. Therefore I cannot accept with good faith the rest of the story, no matter if it is alleged eucharistic miracle, stigmata, or any other mystic occurrence. We know they could be polarized and not necessarily divine.

All of that being brought to public attention at the time the Vatican commission of apparitions investigates a much more famous apparition site in Medjugorje, among heated public debate in the circles of the most faithful conservative catholics. No one ever heard of Medjugorje messages speaking like that. And still it is under utmost scrutiny, with effective ban of the seers to hold public meetings for now.

It is just too much, in a time of other troubles in the world, unseen after WW2. Indeed the Vatican has bigger problems than that, so do we. Perhaps we need more divine help, encouragement, promises, and not more suffering and sacrifice.

Isn't it better we just buy to the next ET event, instead of believing something that no one of us sees or hears except of the seers themselves? What guarantees me they see what they say they see? They might have been modified by HAARP-like tech and nano-chipped. "By their fruits you will know them".

Therefore, it is not out of context and not funny when I proposed the Vatican would do better to go after and ban such occurrences of absurdity, instead of what is widely known as being much more positive for now. Because the people can be deluded, unintentionally, while they pay deepest homage to both supernatural and the church authority. I wonder, who benefits, as the Roman saying goes. Sure it is not God.

Instead of the medieval doctrine of suffering all the life, the sooner you die the better, we need a new doctrine of alleviating the human suffering. And the recent popes did a lot in that respect starting from defense of life since its beginning to its end. That is good but not enough, because that lifespan could one of continuous suffering. The Vatican permitted pain killers even if they shorten the life. In the scope of new DNA discoveries, of possibly longer lifespan under certain conditions that are still not announced by mainstream science, the religious should be ready to adapt their doctrine of less suffering - longer life. Including if it means taking pills to compensate the genetic malfunction of our predecessors in the garden. The point is the human life and civilization do not end here but continue. No useless sacrifice and die off but bringing God of love's message further in time and farther than earth. For that you need living people who will suffer less, no more, compared to past ages. If that is not understood for ...how many thousand years since Adam and the Flood, I don't know what it is. God does not want to kill everyone of the human race. If He would like to, we wouldn't be alive here. Instead He sent messengers many times, including with technology in Ezekiel 1, to show the way further. As in our times today.

I don't understand why that is not main topic of public debate, instead of the divorces, second marriages, how many kids you should have, and finally the plethora of gay issues. That is very important for the morality of the Church, but may be the Church misses the most important at the same time. The Event that will define the next millenia, and that will be the inevitable contact with the supernatural for everyone - or call it extraterrestrial. The Church is doing everything possible to avoid and postpone that moment, to present it in its current paradigm. It doesn't suffice more free space.

If you tomorrow have a landing ET contact, and they declare they are the angels that spoke to prophet Ezekiel, what would you do? Will you jump to Radio Vaticana, Vatican.va, or to your favorite apparition site, to see what they say about? I guess there will be apparitions who will endorse the ET and others who will demonize them. The apparitions themselves are polarized, and we don't know who is who. How then we will take them as reference to know who is who among the super-extra-natural Event? Remains the authority of the pope. I guess if saucers land on St Peter's, many hardline catholics will reject the benevolence of the space visitors. It is not hypothetical and out of relation. It is the next event that many true apparitions prepare the faithful for it, speaking in "secrets". I can make the picture even more complicated by putting out the NWO agenda that differs from safe escape from earth. Perhaps there will be those who will advocate stay and change the planet to better.

At this time, mys sympathies are with Ezra of Rebels and their ship that successfully escaped the imperial blockade of their home planet Lothal. Things change with the days, and that is the latest mega message received by the most popular film watched more than homilies and apparitions.

It is a time the catholics to take sides. Do they buy into outdated models of sacrifice that ultimately seem them all on the hill of Fatima-3 and the end of that branch of the Church they represent. Or do they strive for higher goals, not passing thru blood die off, to fulfill the noble goas set in Jesus' own sermons? They were never fulfilled on Earth, and as the things are, never will be soon. Perhaps our chance is to try to fulfill them somewhere else, while we still can. That is my view that does not represent anyone else and may differ from the reality as we will see it tomorrow.
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posted on Jul, 1 2015 @ 01:41 PM
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originally posted by: 3danimator2014

I'm sorry but i dont subscribe to the "dont hurt the messenger" thing here on ATS. Hes posting it, he clearly believes it, he has to take responsibility for this rubbish


You are welcome to oppose any of the info I presented. To argue why that apparition is true in your view. I myself want to know more of it, even if it is false according to my own conclusions, to know what could possibly be false, how low it could go to falsify miracles. So please, do your job honestly, and you get my respect.

Or why should the Vatican investigate Medjugorje but allow this Indian one to speak like that.

Or the rest of the stuff I brought in favor of my point of view. Bring in yours and contradict mine with your facts and reasoning. That s why we are here.



posted on Jul, 1 2015 @ 01:45 PM
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originally posted by: JUhrman

If the OP distorts the information from the link posted he/she is responsible for this. The thread title and info posted here is based on a personal and incorrect interpretation of the linked article (article actually advocating for cautiousness)


I don't think so, I do not argue with Spiritdaily who is rather favorable of the apparition, but with the apparition itself, the spreading of such ideas and their projected timeline in near future. In accordance of other faked apparitions especially fatima gate bloody end game. Someone wants mini Armageddon, and I am not among that someone's supporters!

If you want to present better picture of that apparition please do so. I wonder what are you waiting for, if you already read the text.

I am SHOCKED at the phrase "enjoy the suffering of the children" and I will hold it hi even infront of the pope if necessary. One cannot play with feelings like that. Because those could be yours and mine kids, who tomorrow will be left to suffer for the enjoyment of entity called Virgin, instead to be saved in secure places. That is the entire point. Do we strive to save (not just ourselves) but the kids and the civilization, or do we already raise the white flag before Satan and his cohorts. Therefore, I find the apparition satanic. Please prove me wrong.


What is needed for the 1 bln catholics and 7 bln world, is not a new script of sacrifice and suffering. What is needed is a WAY OUT OF THE CURRENT WOES. It might be found on the planet, or off planet, or combined. Everything short of that falls prey of unscrupulous invisible powers who want to reduce population along with its belief systems. A preferred topic of protestants who envision the end of the days. Are we going to support every effort for betterment or, IMO, for escape way? Or are we going to stay and die even if we do not support those powers behind scene who prepare it for us? When I see apparition that does not offer an escape way, even hidden in secrets, I see the devil. Perhaps you don't. Please tell us what you see in the apparition, and not to analyze why my position is such not other. You don't have to convert me. The catholic church needs to conversion to the truth, to save people not to abandon them as in the past. A plan for Rescue (on or off planet not a new plan of suffering and dead, is what is expected by the multitudes.
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posted on Jul, 1 2015 @ 02:22 PM
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After deeper reading into older apparition messages, including those presented on Spiritdaily review, or on its own website, I reach the conclusion it is a deeply entrenched in the idea of ongoing sacrifice and suffering.

I will not debate theologically, athough I will mention that the Sublime Sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the Cross is one and for all.

That type of apparitions practically send their followers into dead end path that leads them, figuratively speaking, to the mountain of Fatima-3 official vision, to Malachi's ruined Rome, and to decapitated, depopulated Church that barely survives if at all in some underground bunkers. To Akita's fire from heaven. Is that God's will for his elect ones? I doubt it much. Therefore I doubt the apparitions who advocate to stay on the disastrous course.

Other possibility do exist. That of a rescue of the believers before, not after. Given in multiple messages, indeed not all of them "approved". Given by secular sources. Given by films for kids if you will. Rescue=rapture=extraterrestrial= (under ground secure shelters).

Of course, a third road emerges, that all of that will be postponed, and finally we will build up what Jesus tells us 2000 years, a kind of kingdom of God on Earth. Perhaps that is the true reading of God's will, at least for the time being. Perhaps in the next 2-3 months we will know which road the human race is following.



posted on Jul, 1 2015 @ 06:17 PM
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a reply to: 2012newstart

Could you post a link to the current article on this?

Overall, sounds pretty sick. The whole concept of basically worshiping Mary isn't Christian, in any case, but pagan, and goes all the way back to Semiramis. No real surprise that suffering would be praised, is it?



posted on Jul, 1 2015 @ 11:21 PM
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a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

this is the link spiritdaily.com/rumblestrumpets.htm

I don't deny the role of Mary Mother of God and her valid true apparitions throughout history who saved the Church more than once.
I oppose the non-Marian fake manifestations that have absolutely different origin. It still have to be investigated, whether they are purely demonic, whether they are made of haarp-like technology projected images and sounds on the brain of (possibly chipped) seers without strong mentality, or whether they are manifestations of extra-dimensional evil extraterrestrials.

In this case, if there are alleged so called "eucharistic miracles", (that is the bread of communion to be converted to kind of bloody substance in the mouth of the seer), I'd rather look at he perspective of higher D Alien entities who can manipulate the 3D matter.
We can do it in 3D printers already, we can produce not only cars but even human organs! What to say of highly evolved alien race that has to prove its agenda, using all methods available especially those of religious nature,to delude the greatest possible number of believers into their predetermined agenda.

Having in mind what I already tried to explain of the agenda itself, that is to bring majority of believers to dead end, it terrifies the wide range of that attack. Because at the end you will have a saved humanity with not so many believing Christians in it. Is this the master plan to root out the Christ church once and for all? Let the faithful choose voluntarily the way of sacrifice, suffering and ultimately death or not saving their lives (that is practically the same) and you have depopulated church if you have a church at all.

Instead of that, the drive of the Church should be in the opposite direction. We should be told clearly by now, the nature of Angels and Demons, and any other amount of information kept secret about real apparitions. Are there extraterrestrials involved, as St John 23 wrote in his leaked alleged diary? What are the perspectives of humanity ahead, in short and long term? Are we destined to leave the Earth for good at one point of our human development, in order to avoid a Flood-like event? (Nibiru was just posted on Google sky! coordinates 5 42 21, 22 36 45)



How much time we still have on Earth until then, may be it is years or decades? What is necessary to do meanwhile to GET READY for that event, not to hide from TABOO knowledge until the last minute? What is waited for more, after Year 2000 and Year 2012? How is possible the 21st century man who can see billions of light years in the Cosmos and discover thousands of nearby planets, is still not being told the truth of who the Angels really are? Is there something inconvenient to be kept hidden therefore?

The latest drive of the pope towards green tech and saving Earth's ecology could possibly mean, and that is just suggestion, that we still have years or decades until the apocalyptic event. But the change should start right now. I hope it will materialize from words to practice. Including by alien good technologies. Including by our knowledge of other worlds of angelic beings (not demonic) and the perspective of exchange programs. I hope that chance won't be lost, and will actually turn the wave of negativism into a positive preparedness of what the Nature will bring, and of survival of both Humanity and Christ's Church.

If it is not said by hi place though, we already have enough information to decide by ourselves. I will not wait a second call, once that is being given into the worldwide communication systems (internet and alike) and possibly directly in the air by spaceships. That scenario is very much possible, taking into account the slow to react human society. I.e. save whoever stil can be saved, don't lose everyone who prefers to stay ignorant on a sinking Titanic.
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posted on Jul, 2 2015 @ 01:01 AM
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God is not a cruel God who rejoices in children to suffer.


Yes, and that includes Jesus. God is love and does not rejoice in suffering.



posted on Jul, 2 2015 @ 01:09 AM
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originally posted by: arpgme
a reply to: 2012newstart


God is not a cruel God who rejoices in children to suffer.


Yes, and that includes Jesus. God is love and does not rejoice in suffering.


Yes I agree. Jesus came to give abundant life, John 10:10, not to take it from humanity in order to come for second time on a dead planet. It is perverse understanding of apocalyptic prophecies that may or may not happen in our days, or after millenia. Jesus died so we can live. Jesus didn't come so everyone of us to die as well (untimely) in a floodlike event.

Many preachers expect that, and hope they will be rescued in the last time (rapture). The Catholics who buy doomsday apparitions, instead believe that somehow they will survive in remnant pockets the Chastisement. Then in a "blink of an eye" God will miraculously restore the planet for them to inherit it.

That teaching wide spread among the most conservative catholic circles, is absurd that has no backing in the sacred scripture. God is not obliged to fulfil expectations of miracles given thru fake seers. As I tried to explain of those fake seers so long.

Instead, the sacred scripture clearly shows how God works thru people and nations, and is more than likely He will act in the same way now. Thru extraterrestrial nations to save His chosen ones from Earth.

I suppose, the surviving humanity will be returned back on earth only after her restoration that may take thousands years.

I don't know how much time is between now and the start of the evacuation, call it Planet X arrival, killshot or whatever. (only natural or also man made). It may not be one day event, our rescue, but years of persistent efforts to save as many people as possible. I just don't know. Pls refer to my previous post for more.

If you see the most popular film today, Star Wars Rebels 2, notice the group of heroes evacuated their home planet Lothal after the imperial blockade that inflicted unjustified suffering on innocent civilians, because of their presence. One can make endless conclusions of why such scenario is chosen for the most watched film for kids today. While I don't know the motivation of filmmakers, I can see clearly the obvious: the interstellar travel and leaving of planet is not a problem there, it is a problem here.

In case we are given more years before the Chastisement, most likely that will be arrival of Planet X after Google sky posted it, then those years could be used for education purposes of large masses population to find their way out of the doom. I suggest it will coincide with the first extraterrestrial contact on planet earth, landing, etc.

What is presented in apparitions like the Indian one, is pretty much the OPPOSITE of that timeline scenario. We are expected to sacrifice, suffer and die, and even to beg God for more such "pleasures", to "rejoice in suffering". I already said where that leads to on planetary scale. It is a time the responsible in the Church to take their stance and to protect the Life, not only to speak of protecting life on family issues, but also to protect the already living people. The latest drive of pope Francis with his encyclical, is therefore in the right direction. Still results are needed to be seen in more measurable terms.

My best guess is, soon we will be involved in the larger galactic reality, may be not "in a galaxy far away" but in our own galaxy. There will be exchange programs of angelic persons coming here and volunteers going there to be educated and come back to teach the others. Our entire perspective of the world we are living in, will be changed unimaginably. It won't be one day doom event that will be either lauded or damned by different opposing camps of fundamentalists on earth. It will be ongoing process to do what failed to be done at the time of Peter and Paul (although they surely knew of it, ref. the vision and repeated talk of Peter of the animals from heaven). They failed to do the full contact and exchange due to circumstances we don't know fully. We are just told of the massive persecution back then, centuries later recorded in books. We are not witnesses and do not know what conversations and reasons did Peter have with the others, with the ET. Why it was postponed.

Now there is no more room of further postponement. Planet X is already published almost officially, because Google sky database is an official astronomical database. Planet X exists. It is not a question of IF but WHEN. May be after 2 or 20 years, IDK. I don't pretend to know what I don't have information of. Nothing absolves us from now on, not to take measures. God cannot possibly inform Babylonians better, and keep in dark His own chosen ones, for any reason. Should we assume the Babylonian gods (Annunaki) were more merciful to their subjects to inform them, compared to the message given in the Judaeo-Christian tradition? Or should we assume of secret knowledge, such as prophet Ezra talks about in the book 2 Esdras (canonical in the Vulgate and original King James Bible). Perhaps such knowledge does exist among few people on Earth.

It doesn't matter anymore. It is out there in the sky. We have literally to start preparing in the following weeks and months. I expect the big announcement to happen before pope's speech in the UN on Sept 25. Because he is not meant to tell scientific truth, he is meant to lead the people to salvation, spiritual and also physical, as Moses did. The scientific truth therefore should be made clear, should start to be announced in the time between now and then. So we can start preparation right after the UN session, backed by the moral authority of the Church, and the scientific and other knowledge given in advance. I do not exclude ET contact to happen in that time, but we are not excused if it doesn't happen right now. We are already given enough to make decisions by ourselves. Including of new tech such as 3D printed HOTEL the latest of that advanced tech that also prints jet engines and human organs. We have the means to save ourselves, if we organize the efforts. And we will be helped in that from above.

I want to see confirmation messages from Heaven to say about the saving way, and not about new suffering and sacrifice. WIll it be Medjugorje? Will it be another one? Sure Heaven will speak at the right time thru the right people. Not thru the speakers of the enemy, although involuntarily deluded poor souls.

The idea that we should live in a closed system and planet, until the Second Coming, and everything else is of the antichrist and great deception, is not a good idea. The Earth wasn't closed in ancient times, and is not closed today, although that contact is not manifested so openly as I and others would like to be. The Greek, Egyptians, knew of, and even in the Psalms there are names of several star systems, Pleiadians included. I forgot about the others, there are several names mentioned. We are not those who will tell Jesus when He will come. He doesn't know himself. How then He will tell this or that prophetess? Obviously it is not Jesus in first place.
We have to accept the larger picture was always the case, although it was not told to us explicitly. We have to accept when the Bible talks of heaven, it uses the same word as "sky" and it is translated with the same word "cielo" in all Roman languages...
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posted on Jul, 2 2015 @ 02:56 AM
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I ended the number of letters in the previous post...

We have to have mature faith and to know how to read the Scripture when it talks to Angelic hosts that they may have technological component as well Ezekiel 1.

When Jesus talks of angels to save the good ones, he doesn't talk of spirits to save our souls out of our dead bodies.

When He said Our Father, Thy Kingdom Come, he meant that, not what we know of history. It never came, and it is a time to come.


If someone comes and tells that all is the work of the antichrist, I'd ask him: who told you so? It is hard to explain who created the entire elaborated system of belief based on the coming of The Antichrist. Not even Jesus talks of The Antichrist. Perhaps such will come, but not necessarily right now. It is a good excuse nothing to be done meanwhile.

Malachi Martin speaks of the angelic nature to be not understandable even to the wise ones. Obviously he refers to extraterrestrials, that were not to be announced in his time. He further goes the road I explain above as a wrong road.

Mgr Balducci speaks of the ET as beings having part spirit part body, in greater proportion of the spirit than we humans have. Therefore those beings are more free to move etc, as we are not. Unfortunately, no one after his death spoke on that topic. The next Jesuits who spoke of ET restricted their elaboration on the fact ET should exist, and if yes, they could be baptized when they ask for that. Similar talk had pope Francis. In fact the biggest elaboration on ET matter we have from the late Mgr Balducci, Vatican's demonologist. He clearly said, the ET occurrence is not demonic.

I wonder how is possible so long time after the first revelations on the matter, the humanity still wonders what is what. Indeed no formal disclosure has been made. But what is being given, including thru books and films, is far more than enough. We were told! We were given the book of Sitchin with the new translation of old texts speaking of Nibiru planet X. We were told by astronomers, independent from each other, that such planet is likely to lurk outside Pluto.

We have seen may be thousands of photos and videos of UFO.

The idea that ALL is the deception, and you see those "poor souls" who speak of the other way, as explained above, are the right ones, lacks credibility and is not reasonable. It is not in the scriptures. God never said He would send 50 or 500 prophetesses in the end times to tell us of the coming Antichrist and his great alien deception! If it was so, Jesus would have warned us! Instead, He said, "many will come in My name, saying the time has come". Well, many fake Jesuses and fake Maries indeed came in His holy name, profaning the name of God!

I don't know why I continue that elaborated talk if there isn't real discussion and probably none of the posters will change his view on the subject. Perhaps it has to be said online to be present as a level of reasoning already reached by humanity, although in not so many individuals. We already know that! I am not the only one who believes that or similar things. Perhaps the biggest believers are among the highest hierarchy exactly in the Vatican. I criticized many of Vatican's wrongdoings now or in the past. Still there are smart people who know what the reality is. And not only there of course.

Let go back to Our Father prayer. In Latin, it sounds:

adveniat regnum tuum,
fiat voluntas tua,
sicut in coelo et in terra.

Todays English translation reads:
thy kingdom come,
thy will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.


However, the word "caelum/ coelo" in Latin means both heaven and sky. It is Cielo in all Roman languages, Spanish included. It is not only heaven, as most english speakers think of.

Simply at the time of the Bible there was no differentiation between clouds, atmosphere, near space, far interstellar space, or heaven. All of that was called "sky". "Celestial" comes from there.

It is not just linguistic that changes with time and accumulated knowledge. it is the view of the ancient people of the worlds beyond earth. Unfortunately, the ancient views were (intentionally) abandoned during the Middle Ages, with the invention of pre-Galileo earth-centric system.
For such system that served both cosmology and theology, there is no place for other stars having planets and beings on them. They were non existent. After Galileo that changed, slowly but surely. It did not change however in the theological model of the SKY. Ask any priest, where the heaven is, in the stars may be? He can't answer you. Because there isn't an answer provided by the Theology so far. The Theological model should be enlarged to include the current Cosmological model, not to be satisfied with pre-Galileo on spiritual level.

Some say, but God is in higher dimensions above the visible Universe. it could be so. I don't know. The visible Universe is big enough, more than trillions uncountable star systems. Sure it is created good. It was contacted before, and it is contacted now, although limited. What's wrong if we are at the time of our history to enlarge those contacts? Where it is said in the Bible we shouldn't have them? Instead, Ezekiel dedicated his first chapter exactly on such a contact, describing with his poor wording for his time the appearance of what we would call today extraterrestrial spaceship. Not helicopter, there weren't men to produce helicopters in his time, as some want to explain the things. So is Elijah taken up in a chariot of fire. What chariot has fire as engine, that can fly above the clouds? In the space above the atmosphere? So Elijah was taken up to another planet. He wasn't resurrected. The scripture clearly said how he slowly boarded that vehicle and even had the time to throw down his cloak. He wouldn't do all that if he was resurrected/transformed in a blink of an eye! He would fly in the air, yes? He did not.

It is just absurd it still needs efforts to explain those basic things to people who believe firmly in God but who refuse to open their eyes for God's creation that is bigger than their minds. Is this the only reason why the Disclosure wasn't done until now? Or there are other reasons that I cannot comprehend right now? Perhaps there are. I never claimed to have full knowledge of the picture.

But one is sure. What we are told of apparitions like the Indian one, are attempts to lead us and the rest into a very wrong direction. The one that possibly avoids our continuation as humanity and God's chosen people. Sure that is not God's plan, that is not in the prayer Our Father, or anywhere in the Bible. The other is present, not that. If we cannot make that simple difference, we will go nowhere else than the burning books of the times before. Perhaps those same people will deny the dinosaurs lived millions years ago. Well I have seen them. Go in the museum and see their bones. They testify that our knowledge is quite limited one, and we have to enlarge our horizons, today not tomorrow, if we want to cooperate in God's plan.
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posted on Jul, 2 2015 @ 03:56 AM
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originally posted by: 2012newstart

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

I'm sorry but i dont subscribe to the "dont hurt the messenger" thing here on ATS. Hes posting it, he clearly believes it, he has to take responsibility for this rubbish


You are welcome to oppose any of the info I presented. To argue why that apparition is true in your view. I myself want to know more of it, even if it is false according to my own conclusions, to know what could possibly be false, how low it could go to falsify miracles. So please, do your job honestly, and you get my respect.

Or why should the Vatican investigate Medjugorje but allow this Indian one to speak like that.

Or the rest of the stuff I brought in favor of my point of view. Bring in yours and contradict mine with your facts and reasoning. That s why we are here.


I dont have a job to do. I dont belive in apparations of any kind. I think all stories are fake or misguided.



posted on Jul, 2 2015 @ 03:57 AM
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originally posted by: arpgme
a reply to: 2012newstart


God is not a cruel God who rejoices in children to suffer.


Yes, and that includes Jesus. God is love and does not rejoice in suffering.


I beg to differ. God (if he exists) is a childish, egomaniac who very much enjoys suffering. To say otherwise is laughable.



posted on Jul, 2 2015 @ 01:07 PM
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Enough!!



There shouldn't be a need to post this, but You are responsible for your own posts.
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posted on Jul, 2 2015 @ 03:02 PM
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I beg to differ. God (if he exists) is a childish, egomaniac who very much enjoys suffering. To say otherwise is laughable.


To me, that is the spirit of the devil pretending to be God. I believe in The Merciful Father in Heaven who is Love, so to me that is a devilish spirit, out to deceive many.

Bring a Hero (Christ/Messiah) is not about loving suffering and crucifixion (The Cross), but overcoming it for The Ressurection of Peace.

The Hero (Called "Christ" in Greek and "Messiah" in Hebrew) is "The Life and Ressurection", not "The Cross of Death and Crucifixion".



posted on Jul, 3 2015 @ 03:57 AM
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I don't understand why most people tend to avoid the issue of extraterrestrials being interconnected with the issue of apparitions (from God or from the devil, or from ET), and the issue of the Bible origin itself (an extraterrestrial source after all).
The first ones to recognize that should be the prelates of Churches. They fail to act according to their vocation, knowledge, and office!
With very few exceptions!

We have a different fight to start very soon or already started - man versus robot. A man was killed Monday in Germany by auto-assembling robot hand.


"The robot grabbed the man and threw him against a metal slab" rt.com...
"the machine is programed to grab auto parts and manipulate them."

But not to throw them against metal slab as that creature did with the poor man! Aren't there human recognition software in those robotic machines? Not to differentiate between a metal part and a moving human figure??? This is the first case reported right now.

Bill Gates warned of AI danger. Bill Gates!!! Soon the world will recognize that as existing danger if not already ongoing war.

In that scenario, the sooner the churches accept the angelic reality as being extraterrestrial benevolent reality, the better.

We have to get rid of the imposed externally on the Churches model of necessary persecution, suffering, and endless sacrifice. Jesus died once and for all. Not requiring all his followers to die in the same manner. Unless the Churches find strength to go out of the self-imposed fatality mode, they will not find strength to survive.

We are in a different reality than the Middle Ages. Too different co compare. We need new strength, new leadership skills, that the current hierarchy apparently lacks for most of its members, to lead God's people further the road determined by God. Road that does not necessarily envision Armageddon and Second Coming anytime soon 3 months or 3 years, or 300 years.
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posted on Jul, 3 2015 @ 06:13 AM
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originally posted by: arpgme
a reply to: 3danimator2014


I beg to differ. God (if he exists) is a childish, egomaniac who very much enjoys suffering. To say otherwise is laughable.


To me, that is the spirit of the devil pretending to be God. I believe in The Merciful Father in Heaven who is Love, so to me that is a devilish spirit, out to deceive many.

Bring a Hero (Christ/Messiah) is not about loving suffering and crucifixion (The Cross), but overcoming it for The Ressurection of Peace.

The Hero (Called "Christ" in Greek and "Messiah" in Hebrew) is "The Life and Ressurection", not "The Cross of Death and Crucifixion".


But its not that. Im talking about the God that is spoken about in the bible. Thats npot the devil that is god. And hes a little #. Even if i believed he existed (which i dont), i would never worship him. Ugh...



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