christianity vs "illuminati"

Felt this was the best forum to ask this question, we'll see what El Moderinos think.

Anywho, i was watching my usual videos on YT yesterday, a bunch of random crap, as my subscriptions are all over the place in terms of content and topics. That being the case, i get a TON of recommended videos, ranging from conspiracies, to gaming related, to music videos, and everything in between. Yesterday i saw this: watch?v=pnGl8Nz0oLE in my recommended videos. Now normally, i dont listen to Alex Jones, as i believe him to be a huge disinfo agent, but even then, there is probably SOME truth in what he says - why would he make a video saying the "elites" (they poop just like the rest of us lol) are running for the hills if they arent? Whats that going to accomplish, besides scaring the crap out of doom oriented prepping fanatics? He has a big audience im sure of, but hes not at all main stream, and most people dismiss him simply as a loon?

So on to my question - ive stayed away from whacky conspiracies for a while, as most of them are bunk, but since yesterday ive been cruising through the tinfoil hat section of YT, and ive been noticing that a very large percent of these super whacky theories are being put forward by fundamental christians, claiming that everything is the work of satanists and the devil himself. As someone who doesnt believe in any religion, yet still maintains spirituality, this really bothers me. I want to listen to some crazy, yet logical, stuff, get my mind tumbling again, going on mad dashes around the net searching for more info on these theories, but the second i hear someone bring up jesus, god or satan - i immediately click off of the video, because from there on out, its obviously a bunch of crap in my eyes...so whats the deal with most conspiracies concerning the elites/illuminati being put forth with a heavy christian spin on them? Are there any good content producers that arent stuck in lala land, who put forth LOGICAL (non faith based) theories?

a reply to: 8fl0z

Right now, the hot conspiracy doom porn is all based around September of this year and that has big implications both religiously/spiritually and secularly. Thing is that the religious/spiritual view encompasses that idea that this is the end - similar to what was happening with the Mayan 2012 flap - and we are seeing dualing Satanist/Illuminati and God winding up to throw down.

There are people who are looking at Jade Helm and other events from a non-religious perspective, but since those things are being wrapped up into the doom porn, you are going to have to look to find them.

a reply to: 8fl0z

That's a good question. ATS is nice because it doesn't tolerate the racism and homophobia of some other CT sites, but yeah, then there's the other thing: The Religious/Illuminati stuff. If you have a scientific background, your watching them basically navigate this mathematical graph structure that is their minds, realizing this logarithmic connection that's present in a highly connected graph... They see the connection of everything through archetypes, but instead of seeing it as a quality of mind, they see it as a conspiracy.

Thus Marty McFly is pluto, the professor is Zeus, together with poseiden, they battle chronos:
www.youtube.com...

If only they saw it as a quality of human mind and society, they would be able to see interesting thing. But their perceptual interface to reality becomes reality, and it becomes really boring. Meanwhile the real conspiracies rule the world, largely unseen, and happy to manipulate these perceptual human traits for their own good.

They are called to a sort of humility that's just not present.

a reply to: 8fl0z

From my perspective "Illuminati" has been heavily misappropriated by both Modern and Historical sources claiming authority on the namesake.

On one hand, the Modern Theory assumes it's Satanic, NWO based and all sorts of radical fear-mongering.

On the other, the Historical can't be accurately proven because Historians rarely agree 100% on anything that doesn't support their grants and research funding, so we usually hear the middle of the stream compromises from Academia.

Personally, I view that Illumination is possible for anyone should they genuinely seek the Truth and bother to do the proper research without getting caught up in the hyper-dramatic and sensationalist smear campaigns that usually accompany so many schools of thought both Modern and Historic.

Imo, I think some of the more outspoken fundamentalist are working on expressing their fears. I used to feel a little suspicious of this,. If they're faith is strong? Why is the sky falling?

I believe the messengers of various faith truely did their best to encourage us to free ourselves mind, heart, and body. This is just as hard to do, as ever (Even with all our fancy baubles).I think sometimes these individuals raising the alarm, are often some of the most passionate among the faithful. It's hard to see them struggle with their critics, even if I disagree with their perspective. Their passion is really inspiring, and that's the good I get out of hearing them out. It's great, especially the sincerity in their voice. Very motivating.

I share faith in the scriptures, and the message of the prophets. I believe the mysteries have been preserved, even if people underestimate the cost of that understanding. I feel like the answers to life's questions remain veiled in esoteric Christianity and that it's as complete a system as any. Hopefully the day comes for all, when they learn to let go of fear.

originally posted by: 8fl0z
so whats the deal with most conspiracies concerning the elites/illuminati being put forth with a heavy christian spin on them?
Are there any good content producers that arent stuck in lala land, who put forth LOGICAL (non faith based) theories?

Maybe this high density real physical world is a battle ground for spirits.

On one side we have the humans that this planet was made for or initially populated with.

On the other side we have the reptilians (draconians) that create rumors of fear that feeds their invisible 'ethereal spiders' everyday.

Note how the Illuminati work in numbers and love the number 33.
On the other side of the game coin we have Jesus being crucified at age 33.

Now it sounds like a rigged game show doesn't it where the draconian elite just play with peoples emotions everyday. JADE2 is one big quantum computer that is currently programmed to monitor everyones emotions on forums like this and is designed to focus on people that are afraid of what is coming. Hence, like you said, the draconian Alex Jones amplifies the fear factor throughout America.

There is a problem. If the elite made up the Bible, then they have to make all the earth shattering events happen with scalar weaponary. Otherwise, they won't have any Christians to label as terrorists and kill off with the usage of the other religious gang; the Muslims in ISIS

a reply to: ketsuko
YAWN! I remember back in the day, being terrified of the Y2K bug, that was the first big scare, I was young back then. Then again, the next time, then again the next time, then again the next time. Fool me once shame on you, fool me another 100 times, shame on me. Fool me even more, I might as well flog myself.

a reply to: 8fl0z
Vatican is serving Illuminati and Protestant Evangelical Christianity is devoted to Illuminati. Lets pray that Jesus returns.

a reply to: 8fl0z

You can't escape the truth.

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They usually say "Believe what I believe before it's too late!!! The world will end soon!"

It's just a way to try to scare people to think like them. Manipulation.

a reply to: 8fl0z

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about masonry & rihanna. not a joke at all, even if the thread is on godlikeproductions and even if rihanna is involved. you're looking for logical non faith based "illuminati" info - read this

originally posted by: 8fl0z
Felt this was the best forum to ask this question, we'll see what El Moderinos think.

Anywho, i was watching my usual videos on YT yesterday, a bunch of random crap, as my subscriptions are all over the place in terms of content and topics. That being the case, i get a TON of recommended videos, ranging from conspiracies, to gaming related, to music videos, and everything in between. Yesterday i saw this: watch?v=pnGl8Nz0oLE in my recommended videos. Now normally, i dont listen to Alex Jones, as i believe him to be a huge disinfo agent, but even then, there is probably SOME truth in what he says - why would he make a video saying the "elites" (they poop just like the rest of us lol) are running for the hills if they arent? Whats that going to accomplish, besides scaring the crap out of doom oriented prepping fanatics? He has a big audience im sure of, but hes not at all main stream, and most people dismiss him simply as a loon?

So on to my question - ive stayed away from whacky conspiracies for a while, as most of them are bunk, but since yesterday ive been cruising through the tinfoil hat section of YT, and ive been noticing that a very large percent of these super whacky theories are being put forward by fundamental christians, claiming that everything is the work of satanists and the devil himself. As someone who doesnt believe in any religion, yet still maintains spirituality, this really bothers me. I want to listen to some crazy, yet logical, stuff, get my mind tumbling again, going on mad dashes around the net searching for more info on these theories, but the second i hear someone bring up jesus, god or satan - i immediately click off of the video, because from there on out, its obviously a bunch of crap in my eyes...so whats the deal with most conspiracies concerning the elites/illuminati being put forth with a heavy christian spin on them? Are there any good content producers that arent stuck in lala land, who put forth LOGICAL (non faith based) theories?

LOL. You see any mentioning of Jesus or God as being stuck in lala land and you absolutely shut it off right then... As you search through a bunch of conspiracy theories. They're only logical if they're secular!! Okay, then.

It took me a few years to realize that YouTube simply isn't a good educational source. It's really not. The channels that actually are worth watching are all getting their information from sources that you yourself could find and read for yourself. The best that anyone can do is refer to respected academics on each matter, then refer to respected alternative theorists on those very same matters, then decide for yourself what seems more credible after close examination.

a reply to: 8fl0z

I guess this goes back to the saying everything is real and everything isn't real. Your fundamental belief system is usually brought upon you when you are a child. Now, we need to take into account the experiences that happened to us as we were kids and how those beliefs differ from our experiences. You start to question things. I think the higher ups are scared and nervous, just like anyone else. They don't have all of the answers. As we progress as humans we only come to realize that, there will ALWAYS be more questions. I always like to ask the question, "well where did God come from"?

I always get the same response. He was just there. I find that extremely hard to believe. Too elaborate, was God the Creator of this universe, or all of them?

My idea, I think it's time we send someone into a blackhole. As I would gladly volunteer as tribute. *wink wink*