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AUTHORITY: By the authority vested in me as President and as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the Authorization for Use of Military Force Joint Resolution (Public Law 107-40, 115 Stat. 224) and sections 821 and 836 of title 10, United States Code, it is hereby ordered as follows:
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C. ACLU Concerns:
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c) interrogation techniques permitted what would constitute torture to obtain information. Violates Geneva Convention. Reason given for using it was that the government was not getting much information from detainees so they stepped up their efforts. Now, those photographed engaging in unlawful actions are being court martialed. Administration claims it did not approve techniques, although there is evidence that they knew about it and actually put pressure on officials to deliver more intelligence. Rumfeld has classified documents as secret, not to be revealed until 2013. Claimed getting evidence was primary goal. Defendants may be able to use the good faith, defense of necessity, or superior orders, self defence. Convention against Torture was approved in 1984 and ratified by US in 1994. NO exceptional circumstances, whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat of war, internal political instability or any public emergency may be invoked as a justification for torture.
-methods not viewed as torture used including denying food, clothing, subject to body cavity searches, sleep deprivation for 96 hours and shackling them in stress positions, physical or mental pain ( it must be severe); giving mind altering drugs, threatening the life of love ones., isolation or take action against religious and cultural practices like shaving beard, deprive of light and sound, catering to individual phobias like fear of dogs, or use of dogs
The FBI e-mail "is not proof of a presidential order to commit unlawful acts, but it strongly suggests that US interrogators thought they were acting with the president's approval."
Originally posted by Seekerof
That's all I will grant you.
So here and now, I will openly admit that a "loop-hole" may or does exist,
as posted by Kidfinger
Bush is just a man. He has weaknesses, and faults just like the rest of us. He should be accorded the same legal prospectives of all other American people.
Originally posted by Thorfinn Skullsplitter
And this administration devoting effort to ensuring that their misdeeds surface as nothing more than allegation and heresay is what keeps them out of trouble...
Originally posted by marg6043
Bush himself can come out of in the public and said "I agreed with the torture of citizens" and still people will find an excuse to keep make him a martyr.
Originally posted by Seekerof
And as such, without further proofs, despite you openly admitting that there is nothing but circumstantial evidences, you, as others, continue to spout a guilty verdict?
Originally posted by Mahree
Only thing is....no one can find this Executive Order. Everyone seems to believe this email because it makes sense to them that the President would work this way.
Is this all you have?
Originally posted by Seekerof
=Despite your, and others, apparent hatred of the President, we are talking the Office of the Presidency here. When you bring and level serious charges and allegations against said Office, you'd better be bringing more than heresay, allegations, and circumstantial evidences.
seekerof
[edit on 23-12-2004 by Seekerof]
Originally posted by Seekerof
Then you must have also been a juror on the Scott Peterson case, huh?
seekerof
as posted by JOHNSmith
50 page memo on how to circumvent the Geneva convention and torture people ....
While it is unknown whether Bush himself ever saw or approved the report, it was classified "secret" by Pentagon chief Donald Rumsfeld...