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Originally posted by shmick25
On the one hand we have people arguing about some texts that were written a couple of thousand years ago, and now we have factual evidence of what happend 3 billion years ago? Come on, give me a break.
Originally posted by chebob
In fact, I'm beginning to wonder if some board members, on Judgement Day, will be stood at God's throne, still bleating "But you don't exist MAN! the MAtrix proved it! Go science!""
Originally posted by Murmur
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment-A.E
Originally posted by shaunybaby
Originally posted by chebob
In fact, I'm beginning to wonder if some board members, on Judgement Day, will be stood at God's throne, still bleating "But you don't exist MAN! the MAtrix proved it! Go science!""
no if that were to happen then there would actually be proof that god existed. i would ask for forgiveness for not believing and say that in my life i somehow never found jesus or god. you said there was proof, after proof, after proof that changed you in to a christian. i would like to know what that proof is. the bible and anything within is not proof. if i wrote a quote that said 'all people living in the 21st century were stupid' and this was found in 2000 years time...it would not be fact that in the 21st century all people were stupid. christianity has nothing to do with the bible, whether that is proved right or wrong doesnt matter because christianity has moved away from the bible. christianity is purely built on faith now, even if the bible was proved wrong beyond doubt then they would still be christians because they have faith. if you are a christian and have a personal relationship with god through jesus has no connections with the bible. the bible merely is people bragging that there is one true god. christians don't need the bible to believe...they just have faith and that is supposed to be enough.
[edit on 23-12-2004 by shaunybaby]
Originally posted by shaunybaby
i like phantom chatter's point about the extra layer of atmosphere that would have made us live in to out 800s. however, a flood destroyed this and now we only live to about 70...what a bummer. could you imagine if god hadn't have wanted to kill his people
Originally posted by shaunybaby
and make a flood then we would have been living in to our 800s. i also like the fact that phantom has tried to link the ancient bible and its teaching of a flood to the same world wide event of our hole in the atmosphere.
the only problem with this is that adam and eve lived till about 900, noah was about 900, enoch was about 365, lamech was about 700. from this it is acceptable to say that everyone in those days lived a very long life to that of what we know today. however, no extra layer in the atmosphere is going to make us live till we are 900.
Originally posted by shaunybaby
i would love to know exactly how it would because the human body is only capable of living to a certain time.
Originally posted by shaunybaby
this is because the very few that make it to about 120 years old, can barely walk, are blind and possible deaf. the reason why we age like we do is to do with our genes and dna. they are set up to make us age like we do. the only way people could have lived to 900 would be if the genes and dna were set up to slow down the ageing process by about 10 times. the only problem with this again is that no extra layer in our atmosphere would do this. we already have a protective layer that stops our planet from freezing over from the cold of space, gives us air to breathe, and keeps the uv rays away from us. there is no need for an extra layer in our atmosphere.
Originally posted by saint4God
Originally posted by shmick25
On the one hand we have people arguing about some texts that were written a couple of thousand years ago, and now we have factual evidence of what happend 3 billion years ago? Come on, give me a break.
I love it! This post was so good it deserves to be posted again!
Originally posted by shaunybaby
saint for god you've prety much in a very descriptive way said that the bible is a control for the masses. you said it's not a book of laws but simply a book of 'why/how' we should live. if that's not a way to control the masses that believe then i don't know what is.
Originally posted by shaunybaby
not everyone conformed to the laws the bible wanted people to, just like not everyone today follows the rules and laws made by the governments. surely the main purpose of the bible is not the rescue offered, nor the spiritual guidence, it is the message that says you should lead a good life, follow these rules and you will live forever in heaven. is that not a prize at the end of the day for being a christian...
Originally posted by shaunybaby
is that why christians go on about how they are right because they want to let god know, they're doing their best to uphold the bible so they can get in to heaven.
Originally posted by shaunybaby
why is there the need for heaven? why do they have to have a heaven?
Originally posted by shaunybaby
why can't it be that you are a christian that believes in the bible, has a personal relationship with god, lead a good life yet do not get to heaven because there isn't one.
Originally posted by shaunybaby
the reason why heaven was created by man?...because otherwise nobody would have wanted to be christian. all religions promoted some sort of after life whether it be reincarnation or a heaven of some sort, is this just a pure coincidence that this is the rescue offered if you believe and have faith. no it's not coincidence...when religions were made they were made so people would get something out of them, which was leading a good life and also an afterlife in heaven.
my quote ''otherwise nobody would have wanted to be christian''...this is not meant to be for those of you who believe now, because you will say i would still believe even if there was no heaven. however, if there had never been this rescue offered then christianity never would have taken off the ground and you would not be a christian now.
Originally posted by shaunybaby
saint4god...you didnt actualy disprove anything i said let alone argue with it, you just posted some of my quotes...not even doing the whole thing where it stops and says 'if god didn't kill all his people...'' why did you stop it there, that wasn't the main point of what i said. i said 'if god didn't kill all his people then we would have been living in to our 900s. you say to me that i don't have proof that an extra layer of our atmosphere would slow down the ageing process...well where in the hell is you proof of a flood that would actualy destroy this extra layer of our atmosphere??? also chebob in your visions do you actualy see god or are they just visions of say something else?
Originally posted by shmick25
Science tries to dismiss faith by providing an answer for everything 'a little like doubting Thomas in the Bible'.
For instance, how can science explain demon possession?
How can science explain the supernatural acts of the witch doctors in Vanuatu?
How can science explain evolutions failure in man and their incessant need for belief in a 'God'.
How many scientists have given different versions of the effects of Global Warming? Why can't they unit on opinions?
but that is a far call from being a creator.
hail
So are you telling me that I can just go to the junk yard, get every piece of a mercedes and lay it out for billions of years that it would just somehow manage to become a car
Not, what happened in the EARLY universe. why do you keep saying early universe? what was before that.
And how could the universe be heated to create things without something triggering it
You're purposefully riding around the subject which is origins i.e beginning
Originally posted by shaunybaby
imagine if god hadn't have wanted to kill his people and make a flood then we would have been living in to our 800s.
chebob
No, your probably young and naive instead.
saint
So you're issue with God is the fact that there are rules to follow
Originally posted by Nygdan
Apparently you don't understand what 'science' is. Why can't the religionists 'unite' on opinion? Does disagreement between baptists and hindus mean that religion is wrong?
Originally posted by Nygdan
Why is it such a problem for the religious that there are some people that don't beleive in their gods?
Originally posted by Nygdan
Every christians understands a certain aspect of atheism, in so far as they reject all the other gods that are out there. Why do they reject the bhodivista or zarathrustra? Is it just because they're hard to say and hard to spell? No, of course not, they don't need evidence to suggest that shiva doesn't exist, they require evidence that shiva does exist.
Originally posted by Nygdan
Similiarly, atheists require evidence that the christian god exists, and the jewish god, and all the rest. Atheists are just christians who have applied the rational that everyone is using to all the gods, instead of not applying it to one or a few.
saint
So you're issue with God is the fact that there are rules to follow
Originally posted by Nygdan
"convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver"
i don't know how representative einsteins thoughts are for atheists or agnostics or whatever, but I think that the importance is that he is saying he doesn't beleive that the Old testament sort of god is necessary for morality and the 'dignity' of human beings. That, there could be a god, but it doesn't need to be some 'sky daddy' watching over everyone and saying 'now don't eat pork, but do eat beef, and have sex but only to make children and worship on saturnday but not on thursdays, feast on these days fast on those' and the like.
Originally posted by saint4God
Originally posted by Nygdan
Apparently you don't understand what 'science' is. Why can't the religionists 'unite' on opinion? Does disagreement between baptists and hindus mean that religion is wrong?
Are you saying there are opinions in science?
I don't have a problem with it per say, just trying to help.
Agnostics are at least open-minded enough to accept the truth if it were revealed whereas an atheist would tend to deny until the day they die.
Originally posted by saint4God
Tell me uber-mind, what can you do today to make sure none of this happens tomorrow? Tell me how 'moral' and 'self-governing' humanity is. Tell me how we could possibly not need help with this. Tell me how these people are different than you.