How do we acheive antiDOOM?

So many ATS threads seem to concentrate on how utterly FUBAR(that means unfixabley broken in nice words)our beloved planet Earth and only home we have got,has become.
Now,I sadly agree with much of that sentiment,mostly from reading history and seeing where we are headed.
But I do not want to agree-I want humans to find a way to live in a sustainable manner,so that our great great grandchildren will not hate us for our sins of recklessness.
So that we will be able to support a planet in the future with massive biodiversity living alongside us two legs,in harmony.

I am not talking new age hippy dippy stuff here,I am talking common sense.

Our economy in the developed world as it stands,will destroy our world.
Economic growth depends upon who can pull out the most resources from our earth and sell them for the most worthless paper or data to other nations.
Ultimatley,that will destroy our habitat.

But what if we could turn it around somehow?
What are our best bets for sustaining life and biodiversity on this miracle living planet we dwell upon?

I would like this to be a sort of antidoom thread if possible,where we could discuss how we may be able to change our current trajectory into global doom.
Here are my nominations- Fusion reactors:

Methane bio digesters:


This could help us get away from our destructive path IMO.
Any better ideas appreciated ATS.

How do we make it past our infancy as a species-we think we are so advanced at less than 1million years old?

How do we stop the ghosts of the mammoths/dinosaurs from laughing at our stupidity-remember they survived for hundreds of millions of years without so much as a metal blade?

Please help us humans,we need it for we are failing bigtime as it stands.
Thank you ATS.

a reply to: Silcone Synapse

A good start would be to un-invent fire . It is not so much the pulling of resources out of the ground but what we do with them afterwards . Ore into steel = pollution . Steel into cars = pollution . Cars = pollution .

IMHO, we would have to totally eliminate our current governments and banking system. Wait, they are the same thing, but yeah.

They are corrupt to the core, absolute evil self serving entities that pull all the strings. They have complete control of everything.

How do we realistically do that?

I don't foresee them giving up control willingly. And I could imagine them destroying everything before giving up power.

Honest humble answer. We as a race (the only race we should classify ourselves with : Human) needs to grow up out of our childhood stage. Just like children with toys , we are not satisfied with beach ball we have , we want to take the toy truck that one of the other children has.As I posted in another thread we are all traveling around on an infinitesimally small dust speck with an infinitesimally small lifespan that we are entirely wasting.We either have to grow up to adult stage or else we will pass in the darkness with no one to witness we ever existed


"Nuff said"
Peace at all cost

originally posted by: stosh64
IMHO, we would have to totally eliminate our current governments and banking system. Wait, they are the same thing, but yeah.

They are corrupt to the core, absolute evil self serving entities that pull all the strings. They have complete control of everything.

How do we realistically do that?

I don't foresee them giving up control willingly. And I could imagine them destroying everything before giving up power.

This is exactly what we face as a species,right now IMO.
A system so ingrained into our lives that to rock the boat will see a person villified and thrown overboard as a subversive.
Even so,the boat keeps heading toward the massive waterfall of doom,piloted by they who are ruled by the greed of now.

I want a different future.
It has to be possible somehow.

Personally I think most of the doomers are projecting flaws from their own life onto the world. They're in bad shape. Can't see the sun through the rain. Fortunately, not everybody has a storm cloud over them.

The world will go on, mostly. I think most of the doom is overdone, but there're threats, for sure. Do I think AGW will destroy us? No. It's a challenge. Will robots destroy us? It's a challenge. Will war destroy us? It's a challenge. Will an asteroid impact Earth and destroy us? It's a challenge. Everything is a challenge.

Humanity has always faced these challenges and always will infinitely until it fails to and passes off into eternal sleep. Not such a bad thign.

Personally I don't htink we'll just "pass away". I think what'll happen is we'll merge with our machines. I don't think "cyborg" is the right term. It'll be a combination of biology and synthetics (and some AI). All of the sciences, just wrap them up all together and that's what we'll be. Parts of what make us US, will go on and exist long past the time human DNA is no longer recognizable.

So ya I just admitted humans, in part, are homo erectus or homo habilis or whatever. To even suggest for a moment homo erectus should go on infinitely is stupid. Everything changes, but some things rhyme.

We'll rhyme, in some ways, with our distant descendants. Myself, even if I remain childless, will still share some of those rhymes because I share my own with the vast chunk of humanity alive today.

Just remember no matter how bad your life is someone out there is chilling in the sun with their pretty wife, living big and spreading joy. Don't be jealous. Or envy. Or spiteful. Be grateful somebody is doing ok.

Pretty simple.

Earth is fine. People CAN adapt. How do you think we got here.
Who many of the 7 plus billion people will survive is the hard question.
Earth will not be here forever, nor will we.


Think of it in those terms and doom sounds irrelevant.

originally posted by: oldworldbeliever
Pretty simple.

Earth is fine. People CAN adapt. How do you think we got here.
Who many of the 7 plus billion people will survive is the hard question.
Earth will not be here forever, nor will we.


Think of it in those terms and doom sounds irrelevant.

I wish it was like that,and maybe it is.
We humans certainly do adapt,but maybe too fast for the rest of our biosphere to keep up with as far as I can see.
But I can only see a tiny bit.
From the perspective of a human lifetime.

Maybe we could serve a bigger purpose across a longer timescale.
We may be mother nature's hammer,we may be the reset.

Our purpose as humans could be to suck up and destroy today's nature.
The biological equivalent of a large meteor.
We may not be able to see that we are doing exactlly what mother nature wants us to do.

Yet I feel we are making a real mess of it all,and feel guilty in some way to be a part of it.
Maybe I am the anomaly for wanting to preserve all forms of life on our miracle floating space station.
I could be working against mother nature for all I know.

a reply to: Silcone Synapse

I have been involved in the doom porn so very deeply. Then I snapped out of it. I became more involved with teaching my kids and others that we can't change everything, but instead you need to learn how to evolve , and survive.

originally posted by: oldworldbeliever
a reply to: Silcone Synapse

I have been involved in the doom porn so very deeply. Then I snapped out of it. I became more involved with teaching my kids and others that we can't change everything, but instead you need to learn how to evolve , and survive.

A good mindset.
Now apply that to our entire species.
What will take us forward in a sustainable manner?

We could live for hundreds of millions of years if we worked that out.
Our technology could one day prevent a meteor from wiping us of the earth,if we used it wisely.
But the way we are going,technology could demand so much of our planets resources,that we die of scarcity before we work out how to live in unity.

originally posted by: Silcone Synapse

originally posted by: stosh64
IMHO, we would have to totally eliminate our current governments and banking system. Wait, they are the same thing, but yeah.

They are corrupt to the core, absolute evil self serving entities that pull all the strings. They have complete control of everything.

How do we realistically do that?

I don't foresee them giving up control willingly. And I could imagine them destroying everything before giving up power.

This is exactly what we face as a species,right now IMO.
A system so ingrained into our lives that to rock the boat will see a person villified and thrown overboard as a subversive.
Even so,the boat keeps heading toward the massive waterfall of doom,piloted by they who are ruled by the greed of now.

I want a different future.
It has to be possible somehow.

i doubt no matter what we did even reinventing evrything better cheaper and completly safe for the environment we could prove to any government in power its bettwr than their money and oil

Some doom catastrophes can't be averted, like massive earthquakes, tsunamis, or volcano eruptions. As for others like meteor strikes: I think the best chance would be some kind of defense system spread throughout the solar system, which tries attacking or knocking off course said meteor (kind of like Jupiter).

But as for the original premise of antiDOOM, I think industrialism is the main catalyst for the doom scenarios. Our way of life is too dependent on acquiring & devouring massive amounts of wood, metals, rocks, select foods and creating massive sums of energy. If we were to revert back to a simpler lifestyle, most of these problems would fix themselves.

There's also the waste built into our food supply. For example, it takes roughly 4 oranges to make an 8oz glass of orange juice. And something like 14 lbs of corn to produce 1 lb of beef. And the entire existence of caviar as a dish has destroyed the sturgeon population.

And the lack of sharing makes this even worse because our planet produces more than enough food for all of its inhabitants. But human greed places unnecessary obstacles to this. Like how the US produces something like 300million TONS of corn every year, which is roughly 4lbs of corn per citizen per day. Even something as simple as "property rights" places an obstacle to world hunger & homelessness, b/c "excess" land that could be used for community housing or food supplies isn't being used for that.

In other words, people have to start helping each other simply for the sake of helping each other. In that idealistic society, greedy people are outcast for hoarding things that could help others. But in our current system, it's actually encouraged.

originally posted by: Silcone Synapse

A good mindset.
Now apply that to our entire species.
What will take us forward in a sustainable manner?

We could live for hundreds of millions of years if we worked that out.
Our technology could one day prevent a meteor from wiping us of the earth,if we used it wisely.
But the way we are going,technology could demand so much of our planets resources,that we die of scarcity before we work out how to live in unity.



To be honest? Cull the herd or move on , out unto the stars and planets. We have become a weed on this planet. Just my honest opinion.

a reply to: enlightenedservant
Well written,i agree.
I wish I could give you more than one poxy star for those words.

Its sad that our progress,in terms of industry and technology is also fueling the flames of our potential downfall.
Its a very recent trend,which has seen us throw away our established sustainable past as efficient hunter gatherers.

Balance,it seems,has long flown out the window .

We are doing it wrong.

If we are going to pillage the resources of our planet,at least the technology could be used to feed and help all humans,animals and ecosystems to survive if we used it in a planetary benevolent manner.
But oh no-its used to feed the greed of the few and perpetuate wars to fight over ever dwindling resources instead.
Aren't we great?

a reply to: Silcone Synapse

Very true. It's sad because humans have the capability to be so much better than we are. We're the only species that intentionally destroys its own habitat, makes its own air unbreathable, its own water undrinkable, and drives its own food supply into extinction. We litter our lands with landmines, traps & artificially walls & moats to keep other humans away. We even intentionally kill off entire branches of our own species because they're not socially desirable.

I actually think that if there was intelligent life elsewhere, it would be nothing like us. The next step in "intelligent" evolution would be creatures that are hardwired to help each other & only compete in good things. Just imagine civilizations that didn't have to waste any resources or brainpower on wars, weapons, or law enforcement, because the citizens were naturally compliant & helping each other. That means no militaries, no intelligence agencies, no border patrol, no fbi/dea/atf/national guard, no swat or cops, no prison guards, no body guards or security firms, no martial arts dojos, etc. Now imagine all of those people & their collective brainpower & resources strictly working to improve the living conditions of the collective.

Without wars to constantly ruin civilizations & cause them to have to reinvent the wheel (among other things lol), those civilizations would have an endless period of technological growth. And if they instantly shared all gains & new processes/techniques, the rate of change would be staggering (imagine no patents, trademarks, etc -just becoming a hero for being the one who discovered the cure for syphilis). I'd think it would take them no more than 1000years from their creation to greatly surpass modern humans. Every life saving medicine is instantly available to all who need it, all metals & sciences are used to advance the collective, and politicians are rivals because one side prioritizes longer lifespans while the other prioritizes better quality of living.

Wow, what a rant. Guess I had that bottled up lol

a reply to: enlightenedservant
No rant there , just the absolute truth. As has been said , we are looking for intelligent life in space. We need to realize that first we need to find intelligent life here .

Peace at all cost

originally posted by: here4this
a reply to: enlightenedservant
No rant there , just the absolute truth. As has been said , we are looking for intelligent life in space. We need to realize that first we need to find intelligent life here .

Peace at all cost

Very true. Even if we found life on another planet, our organizations would just kill it or destroy its habitat while mining or terra-forming it. But humans have made tremendous strides with that mindset (at least when compared to how it used to be), so there's still hope that we'll get our acts together

originally posted by: here4this
a reply to: enlightenedservant
No rant there , just the absolute truth. As has been said , we are looking for intelligent life in space. We need to realize that first we need to find intelligent life here .

Peace at all cost

Well said here4this.
Reminds of a question someone once asked the Dalai Lama-
"Dalai Lama,what do you think of civilisation in the west?"
he replied-
"I think it would be a very good idea."

originally posted by: Silcone Synapse

originally posted by: here4this
a reply to: enlightenedservant
No rant there , just the absolute truth. As has been said , we are looking for intelligent life in space. We need to realize that first we need to find intelligent life here .

Peace at all cost

Well said here4this.
Reminds of a question someone once asked the Dalai Lama-
"Dalai Lama,what do you think of civilisation in the west?"
he replied-
"I think it would be a very good idea."

Very true. There are good & bad people everywhere, so I'm not bashing the East or West. But I've always felt that the truly "civilized" cultures were the "simple" people who lived off the land, revered nature, caused no pollution, had all organic food, were energy efficient, and were self sufficient (clothing, medicines, housing, etc). While the true "savages" are the empires that need to constantly invade, enslave & massacre others; cut down their forests; destroy entire habitats (like mountain top removal mining); drive countless species into extinction; and oppress their own socially undesirables.

a reply to: Silcone Synapse

Now,I sadly agree with much of that sentiment,mostly from reading history and seeing where we are headed.

SnF because at least you see it. What you're saying in short goes something
like this I believe." If we don't change our direction immediately, we may
end up exactly where we are headed"

But where are we headed? And how does it have anything to do with
what you want?

I want humans to find a way to live in a sustainable manner,so that our great great grandchildren will not hate us for our sins of recklessness.