Where is Putin?

Here is an interesting take from one of Putin's former advisors...

Former Adviser to the President of Russia on the economy Andrei Illarionov argues that Putin's disappearance from the political scene is the result of a conspiracy of generals.

According to Illarionov, led coup worth Sergei Ivanov. The head of the presidential administration is trying to take power.

www.kavkazcenter.com...

a reply to: anonentity

Unless they are planning enough of the population dead in the first weeks of fighting that there won't be enough people to oppose really anything. Think about it if the draft gets enabled, your running or going to prison? There's your power over the people.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
Here is an interesting take from one of Putin's former advisors...

Former Adviser to the President of Russia on the economy Andrei Illarionov argues that Putin's disappearance from the political scene is the result of a conspiracy of generals.

According to Illarionov, led coup worth Sergei Ivanov. The head of the presidential administration is trying to take power.

www.kavkazcenter.com...

You know what happens with Coups, then theirs a counter coup, and a counter counter, coup, no one knows who to back until the dust settles, and know one dares to put their head, or hand up. The military goes into factions and whoops a civil war.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
The only problem is that now you have people who aren't afraid to stand up to the government, and don't want to go back to that type of life which is something that wasn't done in the Soviet Russia which made it work.

So if he does decide to go that route it may not end well for him.

And that is what I mean by the possibility of secrecy being for the government being shored up. There could be any number of things being finalized to deal with possible dissent if it were to become the USSR again. Don't put anything past the Russians, plenty of the population was not happen when the union dissolved, and plenty still are unhappy with the current "democracy", being of the Soviet era. Russian pride is a thing that doesn't just disappear.

So that brings up another interesting question...

Who is hurting the most from those sanctions?

And I think this may also be a reason some of his allies aren't happy with him...

money.cnn.com...

And that's just my speculation here, as I am interested in seeing what comes of this situation.

It also depends of the long-term stability forecast for them. If they see nothing but a downward spiral without some drastic & immediate changes, there's your boot in the rump to do something despite opposition.

Wow, how ironic would that be if the US had successfully changed regimes in Russia, and I know it isn't happening but imagine what ATS would be like if it did.

As unprecedented as that would be between the US & Russia, I don't really see it happening as solely America's fingerprints. I'd be more liable to believe we were asked to assist in some form, but definitely not holding the reigns. Again, it's the Russian pride thing. I personally feel there's no way they'd let some other country topple their regime for them, it's their perceived moment of glory.

a reply to: anonentity

America is the biggest perpetrator of that policy.

originally posted by: 5thNovember
a reply to: anonentity

Unless they are planning enough of the population dead in the first weeks of fighting that there won't be enough people to oppose really anything. Think about it if the draft gets enabled, your running or going to prison? There's your power over the people.

Most of the people are unfit for military duty anyway, and those that are ,can hardly write. The upper middle classes will do the Vietnam thing, and you'll have an army mostly of Afro Americans, playing Rambo.Good luck!

a reply to: anonentity

As lbj said it will be a war of numbers not territory and the numbers with the brics alliance are heavily in the oppositions favor, this the amnesty and allowing of 3illion illegals gaining citizenship. All American citizens know you sign up for the draft as soon as your 18. Wouldn't be far fethched that we needed to bolster our numbers for this war, also wouldn't surprise any of us if our government kept it hush until the last possible moment. Btw neighbor a grandson turning 18 got a letter from the government regarding his selection about a week ago.

The Zolotov is dead tweets are really interesting. Apparently the Twitter accounts are suspected bots and this tactic has been used before to intimidate people.

It could be a fake post to gather support for the Coup members, implying in the tweet that Putin's personal guard is dead and that Putin is captured. Since it doesn't have a source tweet with any reputation I suspect it's fake.

Or it could be true and...well...Putin is captured or gone.

a reply to: noeltrotsky

Possibly a sleight of hand watch Moscow while we invade Georgia and Belarus overnight and have our military on EU doorstep

Another thought, old Soviets use to smoke out traitors like that...spreading info that they were gone and watching to see who jumps up and sides with the plotters.

a reply to: noeltrotsky

Still seems to lead to a regime change which drastic consequences if they caught all the dissenter of war in one weekend wouldn't It make sense a war was imminent? Can't have protests of there's no one willing to protest. And it's not like america doesn't have it's pants down right now. Droughts on the west coast, amnesty, politics hanging themselves left and right, no real idea that Americans can stand behind our POTUS. Looks like we're really weak right now

Earthcam of Kremlin, Dark at night

The Kremlin is dark, when it is normally lit up like a Christmas tree.
Add that to no flag as being undeniably strange.

a reply to: TinfoilTP

Currently 3 am there wonder if they will have an announcement in the next few hours. Considering it is the last day of the weekend for them.

Also possible reroute of power For other needs?

Russians at least have the guts to take over their own Government when Tyranny is the rule, as it might appear is going on. There are several strong indications that there is a political coup underway led by the Defense Minister.

In the USA, there are many, many indications that as per the Bill of Rights, the Government (all three branches) is no longer "For the People" and should be replaced (See my signature).

Americans are too lazy to (a) care about their rights and (b) do anything about it and too uneducated to even know what their rights are.

originally posted by: 5thNovember
a reply to: TinfoilTP

Currently 3 am there wonder if they will have an announcement in the next few hours. Considering it is the last day of the weekend for them.

Also possible reroute of power For other needs?

They would reroute the peasants power in the city before the Kremlin.

It is more likely someone has shut down the Kremlin, like what would happen in a military coup, the military cutting off political power.

a reply to: TinfoilTP

Not if it's a movement for the people...

Let's cut off power to ourselves to bring down the Kremlin!!! Makes no sense..

I cannot imagine that the press office of the Kremlin would be under any control other than that of Putin and his most trusted staff. If I imagine the White House and their press office, nothing gets out of there without the backing of the president and his senior staff. The same would apply to Putin and the Kremlin.

Nothing gets out of the White House Press Office without the backing of the President?

That one might win the award for "most naïve statement of the year"

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
Earthcam of Kremlin, Dark at night

The Kremlin is dark, when it is normally lit up like a Christmas tree.
Add that to no flag as being undeniably strange.

The cam is now offline. Showing a static feed..

a reply to: clay2 baraka

Mines still up? Refresh maybe?