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Captive UAF colonel taken to Donetsk streets to show him the results of UA shelling [VIDEO]

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posted on Jan, 24 2015 @ 04:35 AM
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a reply to: TryAndStopTheFuture555




West and Harper government will destroy themselves with suicidal immigration policy, same thing with US and Mexico too


Harper and the westren suicidal immigration policy has already destroyed Europe just look at France recently is this the freedoms that you want to spread to Russia to?




posted on Jan, 24 2015 @ 04:37 AM
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originally posted by: AreUKiddingMe
Brought to you by the Russian Dept. of Propaganda.


Ah its you. The We are the Ukrankian Truth Ministry crowd. It seems truth hurts doesn't it? since your just insulting and not posting anything to counter rather then repeating the Ukrankian Truth Ministry talking memo points.

Russia Invaded
Russians are Evil Westerns/ America pure.

Your pattern is getting real old and fast, you remind me so much of those Syrian rebel supporters whom have being copying the same phrases over and over.

To make it look as if its true that Assad is a dictator. And the rebels all cute and innocent. Rather then posting memo points from the Kiev government why dont you start posting something of use and not that is in a form of insult so you can attention?
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posted on Jan, 24 2015 @ 04:48 AM
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The woman shown in these images is a Russian television actress Galina Pyshnyak - in different roles.

The left top image - tells the story of a boy crucified in Slovjansk.

Right picture from the top - she acts as a victim in a shooting in Volnovahhas.

The bottom photo is the one of the 22 January tragedy in Donetsk trolley bus. She appears as the sales assistant of the store, next to the place where the bombing took place.

I draw your attention to the fact that the material was taken up immediately after the explosion. The fact that not only the crew, but also a team of Russian TV actress has already arrived - and not only present, but also in the costumes - it must mean that the Russian TV already knew before the explosion, where and what is going to happen.



posted on Jan, 24 2015 @ 04:53 AM
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a reply to: Patriotsrevenge



Its Ukraine, NOT RUSSIA!!! Get the F, OUT.


Got news for ya. Go educate yourselves a bit more on Ukraine before suggesting that Ukrainians is a new identity or ethnic race in Europe because this is what i am being noticing from anti-Russian commentators whom being suggesting that Russia should get out of Ukraine yet, Russia has more rights towards Ukraine and Ukraine then either Europe and a little bully, war mongering country in North America.


The news i got for you is this, Ukrainians are eastern Slavic as are Russians they both speak the same native language.



Pro Russian terrorist inside Ukraine have not or would not shell civilians lol.

First off the Pro Russian fighters arent terrorists. Of course if you listen to NATO. McCain and co they are sure to them, but they arent. The fighters themselves are farmers and villagers from eastern areas of Ukraine whom have being getting sick and tired the way your beloved none Ukrankian controlled Kiev has being treating the peoples in the east of Ukraine.

This hate towards the eastern Ukrainians has being driven by westren Ukrainians since the two conflicts and the old Ukrainian Cossack wars.





Oh I forgot, the Pro Russians are too weak for that anymore and just like at the beginning they slaughtered anyone who was Pro Ukraine and then blamed it on Right Sector


According to you and some here jackles there are no fascists in westren ukraine. What an amazing white lie that is. Right sector isn't the only the fascist nationalist organization in Western Ukraine.

Their numbers in the parliament might be low, but their organization and how they use to reorganize itself to attack the people in the east that says a lot.




These Pro Russia Maffia goons are now using the Palestinian cry baby tactics.

I assume you also as you support Kiev you now fully support the Israeli regime state and its war crimes towards the Palestinian people to eh?





I hope Kiev kills every Russian in Ukraine who dares to fight. Its Ukraine, NOT RUSSIA!!! Get the F, OUT.

Makes me wonder how old you are.



posted on Jan, 24 2015 @ 04:54 AM
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a reply to: Hithe Merinos




Russian TV actress has already arrived


Oh of course they are all actress is that what NATO and kiev post as being informing you as of now? through emails and phone calls? next time just post a video of McCain.

Just to make you feel better.


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posted on Jan, 24 2015 @ 04:55 AM
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a reply to: SurrenderingAmerica

Good thread i am not surprised that this would be attacked in a few days or so.



posted on Jan, 24 2015 @ 06:07 AM
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originally posted by: Agent_USA_Supporter

Harper and the westren suicidal immigration policy has already destroyed Europe just look at France recently is this the freedoms that you want to spread to Russia to?



You are absolutely right



posted on Jan, 24 2015 @ 07:26 AM
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a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter




Oh of course they are all actress is that what NATO and kiev post as being informing you as of now? through emails and phone calls? next time just post a video of McCain.


McCain is your fallback man now isn't he?

So how many times does this have to be said...McCain is less relevant to American politics than Sarah Palin is.

But keep thinking he is as it is entertaining watching you do it.



posted on Jan, 24 2015 @ 08:00 AM
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Anyone interested should watch season 4 episode 1 of Ross Kemp: extreme world about Ukraine and the rise of the far right there who are in government doing mass rallies in Kiev and fighting on the front line and well armed by the government.

No Russia propaganda on that show just an informative non spin view on the situation there and sits on the fence of western and Russian propaganda news outlets.



posted on Jan, 25 2015 @ 07:17 AM
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a reply to: SurrenderingAmerica

Calling BS here. First, filming POW's like that is against the Geneva Convention, not that the Donetsk People's Republic was party to it - but then, we don't expect the DPR to treat POW's in a civilized manner.

Pro Russian separatists are bombing areas throughout Ukraine. There have been at least 6 bombs in Odessa, 2 on my street, in just the past 4-5 weeks. The only terrorists in Ukraine are pro-Russian separatists. That's not to say that Ukraine does not have its share of criminals, by and large they are not using IED's on a civilian population.

Pro Russian separatists are engaged in a pattern of using civilians as shields in Donetsk and Lugansk. This is no different than Fallujah and other places in Iraq and throughout the Middle-East. Another standard practice of terrorists.

The vast majority of the Pro Russian separatist forces are drawn from volunteers from Russia, led by officers of its different intelligence agencies, including the FSB.

Yes, this is bringing hardship on Ukraine, but Ukraine is and will continue to receive financial support, military support and the goodwill of most of the civilized world - including Turkey, Brazil and China.

For Russia - this is the most epic mistake by the leader of any nation ever. It will be generations before anyone in their right mind ever trusts the Russian government, businesses or people. Russia has stabbed its best friends in the back. How is that going to make Belorus, Chechnya, Kazakhistan, Tajikistan, or another country of the CIS feel? They're on guard now, too.

The ruble? It will be lucky to be under 200 to $1 by the end of 2015. Russia needed $100/barrel oil for its original 2015 budget. Its now going on its second revision of its budget -- trading doctors and healthcare for more military equipment. Anyone who could leave has left. Russia's lack of qualified technical workers is forcing it to outsource its own military factories... to China. China has never been a very good friend of Russia - transactional at best, this is a great windfall for China (and Turkey) because there is no one else in the proximity who wants, needs or cares to be dependent upon Russia for anything. It can't keeps its word.

Russia's reneged on its arms proliferation agreement which was used to wipe off its lend lease debt from WW2. In 1991, the West was happy to rescue Russia again - but that's not the case now.

Putin... this is a man who does not find it gauche to Russia's "man of the year" for 14 years straight. Like there's no one else in all of Russia over the course of 14 years that deserves recognition? Apparently not...

Anyways, the real deal here is that we have a country stabbing its best friends in the back.

Putin did Ukraine a favor by demonstrating Russia is no one's friend, can't be trusted and ultimately -- if it was unable to diversify its economy at $130 a barrel, the odds of doing so at $45 are extremely remote making it a FUBAR business partner.

And none of this is to say that the US is much better, but as yet the United States has not invaded Canada -- which is the closest correlation one could make with Crimea, say nothing of Donetsk and Lugansk.



posted on Jan, 25 2015 @ 08:39 AM
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a reply to: USXpat
Well written and thought out reply to the rubbish which this thread has unearthed. Succinct points and a non hostile turn of phrase make you the winner. I also enjoyed the photos posted by Hithe Merinos of the russian actress, that stuff is red hot. Keep up the good work both of you.



posted on Jan, 25 2015 @ 08:45 AM
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a reply to: USXpat

How long have you been living in Ukraine? It's interesting to hear someones point of view who has a direct perspective. Is there any other members posting who can add such a personal experience to the subject?



posted on Jan, 25 2015 @ 03:18 PM
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a reply to: generalspecific

Thanks GeneralSpecific. I've lived here continuously since 2005, love it here. Don't have much good to say about the current government in Ukraine, though that beats having nothing but bad to say. OdessaTalk.com is a good read for anyone tracking developments in Ukraine - run by another Expat, tries to steer clear of the politics and focus on matters of policy/rule of law.



posted on Jan, 25 2015 @ 03:55 PM
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originally posted by: Hithe Merinos




The woman shown in these images is a Russian television actress Galina Pyshnyak - in different roles.

The left top image - tells the story of a boy crucified in Slovjansk.

Right picture from the top - she acts as a victim in a shooting in Volnovahhas.

The bottom photo is the one of the 22 January tragedy in Donetsk trolley bus. She appears as the sales assistant of the store, next to the place where the bombing took place.

I draw your attention to the fact that the material was taken up immediately after the explosion. The fact that not only the crew, but also a team of Russian TV actress has already arrived - and not only present, but also in the costumes - it must mean that the Russian TV already knew before the explosion, where and what is going to happen.


Mention crisis actors in the west and you can get your account banned. But it is ok to make the claim in Russia.

If a poster on ATS made a drive-by comment like that but focusing on the Boston bombers and Sandy Hook, that poster would be eaten alive. But... this is an American website that promotes American interests and your loose accusations will fit right in here.



posted on Jan, 25 2015 @ 07:47 PM
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a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter

Ah it's you. The "Putin is playing a master game of Chess" crowd. We've seen this before heard it before, the only thing missing is a game of Chess. It's more like a game of marbles, and he's missing some of his. His own countrymen are turning against him now, and the longer the bread and soup lines get the angrier they will become. Even the propaganda machine isn't believable any longer. The results speak for themselves. We've already found evidence of Russian troops in eastern Ukraine attempting to cause disruption and mayhem for the Ukrainian government.



posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 07:29 AM
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a reply to: AreUKiddingMe

Spot on. Putin has guaranteed that 35-40 million people most closely aligned to Russia socially, religiously, economically and politically will despise him for generations to come.

Another point that deserves mentioning is that Putin is making life difficult for Ukrainian Catholics living in "occupied areas." Concurrently, he has single-handedly divided the Russian Orthodox Church -- congregations in Ukraine look to be aligning with the Ukrainian Orthodox Church.

He's also nationalizing Ukrainian owned businesses in Crimea. Putin is reneging on Russia's participation in the world court system, by refusing to pay the $50 billion settlement awarded to shareholders of the now defunct Yukos oil company. That obliges all other countries to seize Russian assets in their countries.

As for Lugansk and Donetsk, both regions were heavily subsidized by the Ukrainian government previously just to be profitable. Between the bombing, pilfering, lack of upkeep, loss of power stations for already decrepit machinery, its net value will only be recuperated through several years of repair and billions of renovations. Crimea? No longer a hotbed for tourists... wasn't much there to begin with - for domination of the Black Sea? Bearing in mind that Turkey controls the Bosporus Straights and is not happy about Russian treatment of Crimean Tatars.

In short, he's running out of pawns, knights and bishops, and all of this followed immediately after he divorced his wife (queen). He still has some pawns and some (c)rooks... All of that to simply occupy a few more squares on the Chessboard? Simply brilliant for someone undergoing a psychotic split while ingesting massive quantities of heroin via needle directly to his skull. Gotta hand it to him, he's managed to alienate more people than Obama! That's unbelievable!



posted on Jan, 27 2015 @ 01:15 AM
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a reply to: USXpat

Being blinded by hate makes you see a whole different World it seems.

Keep making yourself believe this is not instigated and planned by the West. Russia it`s down rating, just like the 50 Billion Dollar fine, are nothing more as economical/political moves planned long ago.

Ukraine is being ripped apart and the only solution will be the removal of the corrupt Western puppets who are now in charge, and if you keep directing your anger towards the wrong people and not towards those who are really responsible, you will only prolong the suffering. Take an example of the Icelanders and the Greeks instead of thinking Europe/US/IMF will help out instead being subjected to decades of austerity.



Ukraine is strategical to important for Russia to not make a stance at it towards the West and it won`t give up trying to be not totally surrounded by NATO. It will probably also not let themselves get suckered into another Afghanistan.

The East of the Ukraine has something like 5.5 Million people who`s homeland and families are threatened to be exterminated and they can`t get enough soldiers to fight out of them ?...it`s more the other way around with Ukraine not being able to get motivated people to fight for them.

So what do you expect will happen ?

- Comforting in Russia will go down economically isn`t going to change anything, because contrary to popular Western believes, Russia isn`t isolated and simply makes the adjustments to weather it out economically.

Here are just two examples :

More Isolation? Russia, China To Build $240 Billion High-Speed Rail Link

Goldman On The Myths & Realities Of Russia's Oil Sector

- Ukrainian army seems to be crumbling again, and that`s no surprise with poorly battle experienced troops who lack the motivation to fight, so the Ukrainian Government sends them in at gunpoint now out of desperation. There`s even talk about troops now surrendering and defecting to the other side...Henry Kissenger said it alright, "The West should have acknowledged its failure and got out of it." Because Russia might be provoked again to take out Kiev themselves, there`s a good change it won`t take the bait and the Separatists don`t have the manpower to do it...so it will prolong for a long time if Kiev isn`t going to get ordered to come to an agreement, the only way to end it will be if the Ukrainians themselves are going to rise up against the puppets...

...but for now it seems the only people who are brave enough to fight for their country and families are living in the Eastern part of the Ukraine.





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posted on Jan, 27 2015 @ 03:47 AM
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originally posted by: Agent_USA_Supporter
Got news for ya. Go educate yourselves a bit more on Ukraine before suggesting that Ukrainians is a new identity or ethnic race in Europe because this is what i am being noticing from anti-Russian commentators whom being suggesting that Russia should get out of Ukraine yet, Russia has more rights towards Ukraine blah, blah, blah


This is an extraordinarily blabbering of nonsense.

Firstly, Ukraine has a long history and Ukrainians do consider themselves to be identifiably Ukrainian. I think that it is you who needs to pick up a history book and do some work. Clearly, some people in Ukraine are pro Russian and have Russian roots, but that's an internal affair. Russian meddling is ensuring that the difference in ethnic background will be bugbear for years to come.

Secondly, Russia has no rights to Ukraine, which is a sovereign nation. They can do what they like. I know that it is difficult for some people to understand, but Ukrainians have voted democratically to shift their focus from the Russian klepocracy and corruption towards the more liberal West. You can argue the toss if you like, but they are just another country that is voting to leave Russia's autocracy. The fact that Russia has reacted like a spoilt kid says a lot for the people in charge of Russia.

Regards



posted on Jan, 27 2015 @ 05:43 AM
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So what is good about living in Russia? From what I have seen in my life, albeit most behind the Iron Curtain and the rest through numerous TV shows, it looks awful. Dirty, poor looking with very low standards of life, poor health care, limited food, more abandoned buildings than I could shake a stick at without getting RSI.

The people look unhappy, education is hardly world renown.

Apart from Edward Snowden and some mentally ill want to be revolutionaries, who emigrates there and yeah, why on earth would Ukraine (or even Russians) want to be part of Russia?



posted on Jan, 27 2015 @ 06:12 AM
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You don't seem to be very well informed of the facts on the ground in Ukraine, certainly trying to make sense out of everything isn't the easiest thing to do. I LOVE IT that you lead off with the idea that Euromaidan was planned and instigated by the West. You almost, almost, make them sound competent.

That the CIA, MI6, BND, Mossad, GRU/FSB/SVR and others were and still are present in Ukraine goes without saying. That the West, via the USA, EU or Soros channeled funds in to support Euromaidan is obvious. Funds were also going to anti-Maidan protestors from the other side of the street.

And here's what you don't seem to understand. Russia and Ukraine have pervasive geographical, political, social, economic, religious and language ties. Russia has been the dominant partner in that relationship for at least a century. Russia dominates the economy, was deeply imbedded in the SBU, Militia, Military, with representatives in Rada and national/state/local governments - in virtually all areas except Western Ukraine. In the SBU alone, these numbered in the thousands. And why not? Russia and Ukraine have always been "friends" in a manner, if loosely applied at times before the 20th Century.

Simply, Russia had the people, the power, the influence, and the money to do just about anything it wanted in Ukraine. All the money in the world would have been to no effect in the ousting of Yanukovich if there was not a sincere interest on the behalf of the Ukrainian people to change things - initially that started out as a DCFTA issue, how it was handled blew up into a "rule of law/corruption/human rights" issue. To imply that a few billion dollars managed to forcibly shift Ukraine away from Russia implies the Russians entrusted with keeping Ukraine under Russia's influence were astoundingly incompetent.

Euromaidan kicked off as a consequence of Yanukovich first saying he would support the DCFTA with the European Union and then backtracking. I can reasonably see why as the DCFTA, imo, provided unfair advantage to European companies seeking entrance to the Ukrainian market. There's a lot more to it than that - but the Ukrainian market needs to be seen for what it is, and at the very least it can be defined as "hugely suboptimal".

Ukrainians look at other countries which have gotten into the EU and note the wage disparities. Foreign businesses entering Ukraine require at least five years of preparatory work networking, building relationship and making agreements with the "right people" - or risk forfeiting their business to one Ukrainian oligarch or another. The oligarchs are largely responsible for that - just a like feudal society, with fairly clear lines and spheres of influence. The only real people and business Ukrainians need to compete with are Russians... who also have a higher average wage, but don't extend it to their Ukrainian employees.

If Ukraine were to realize its potential, it would have the kind of economic impact as China has had recently - subject to the usual ebbs and tides.

I despise most governments equally, not that I'm an anarchist, but am avid proponent of rule of law.

Using IED's against a civilian population, especially outside a zone of conflict is Terrorism. Pro-Russian Separatists are responsible for this, they are the only ones presently engaged in that activity here in Ukraine - and so yes - I despise them as much as I despise Eric Holder or Mr. Lavrov.

Providing military support to separatists is a direct interference in Ukraine's sovereignty. The utter rabid, psychotic, psycho-active retarded BS here is that Russia is engaging militarily against a country that has been and otherwise always would have been a very good friend of Russia, among the closest of its friends. It is Fratricide. Stabbing your brother and best friends in the back is not going to make them love you more. If you come from that kind of family... well, sorry - it's not normal, is not to be condoned or supported.

Of all the things Russia could have resorted to - this was by far the least intelligent of all. Provisions could have been negotiated to provide joint trade agreements between the CIS and EU - and the only reason it wasn't is because Russian companies do not have the means to compete. They don't have the interest to diversify their market - if they were interested in doing so, they would have started doing so when oil was over $100 a barrel.

It's one thing to despise America for its own disregard for the rule of law. It's something entirely different to think that Russia somehow has some high moral ground as a consequence of 2014 and opening of 2015. Russia did have the high moral ground up through December of 2013. If one cares to remember, many American conservatives and libertarians, were beginning to admire and praise Putin for being a Rational figure on the world stage - putting Obama to shame.

But Putin crossed the line and continues to sprint into the uncharted wilderness of epic psychosis.



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