a reply to: BornAgainAlien
You don't seem to be very well informed of the facts on the ground in Ukraine, certainly trying to make sense out of everything isn't the easiest
thing to do. I LOVE IT that you lead off with the idea that Euromaidan was planned and instigated by the West. You almost, almost, make them sound
That the CIA, MI6, BND, Mossad, GRU/FSB/SVR and others were and still are present in Ukraine goes without saying. That the West, via the USA, EU or
Soros channeled funds in to support Euromaidan is obvious. Funds were also going to anti-Maidan protestors from the other side of the street.
And here's what you don't seem to understand. Russia and Ukraine have pervasive geographical, political, social, economic, religious and language
ties. Russia has been the dominant partner in that relationship for at least a century. Russia dominates the economy, was deeply imbedded in the
SBU, Militia, Military, with representatives in Rada and national/state/local governments - in virtually all areas except Western Ukraine. In the SBU
alone, these numbered in the thousands. And why not? Russia and Ukraine have always been "friends" in a manner, if loosely applied at times before
the 20th Century.
Simply, Russia had the people, the power, the influence, and the money to do just about anything it wanted in Ukraine. All the money in the world
would have been to no effect in the ousting of Yanukovich if there was not a sincere interest on the behalf of the Ukrainian people to change things -
initially that started out as a DCFTA issue, how it was handled blew up into a "rule of law/corruption/human rights" issue. To imply that a few
billion dollars managed to forcibly shift Ukraine away from Russia implies the Russians entrusted with keeping Ukraine under Russia's influence were
Euromaidan kicked off as a consequence of Yanukovich first saying he would support the DCFTA with the European Union and then backtracking. I can
reasonably see why as the DCFTA, imo, provided unfair advantage to European companies seeking entrance to the Ukrainian market. There's a lot more
to it than that - but the Ukrainian market needs to be seen for what it is, and at the very least it can be defined as "hugely suboptimal".
Ukrainians look at other countries which have gotten into the EU and note the wage disparities. Foreign businesses entering Ukraine require at least
five years of preparatory work networking, building relationship and making agreements with the "right people" - or risk forfeiting their business
to one Ukrainian oligarch or another. The oligarchs are largely responsible for that - just a like feudal society, with fairly clear lines and
spheres of influence. The only real people and business Ukrainians need to compete with are Russians... who also have a higher average wage, but
don't extend it to their Ukrainian employees.
If Ukraine were to realize its potential, it would have the kind of economic impact as China has had recently - subject to the usual ebbs and
I despise most governments equally, not that I'm an anarchist, but am avid proponent of rule of law.
Using IED's against a civilian population, especially outside a zone of conflict is Terrorism. Pro-Russian Separatists are responsible for this,
they are the only ones presently engaged in that activity here in Ukraine - and so yes - I despise them as much as I despise Eric Holder or Mr.
Providing military support to separatists is a direct interference in Ukraine's sovereignty. The utter rabid, psychotic, psycho-active retarded BS
here is that Russia is engaging militarily against a country that has been and otherwise always would have been a very good friend of Russia, among
the closest of its friends. It is Fratricide. Stabbing your brother and best friends in the back is not going to make them love you more. If you
come from that kind of family... well, sorry - it's not normal, is not to be condoned or supported.
Of all the things Russia could have resorted to - this was by far the least intelligent of all. Provisions could have been negotiated to provide
joint trade agreements between the CIS and EU - and the only reason it wasn't is because Russian companies do not have the means to compete. They
don't have the interest to diversify their market - if they were interested in doing so, they would have started doing so when oil was over $100 a
It's one thing to despise America for its own disregard for the rule of law. It's something entirely different to think that Russia somehow has
some high moral ground as a consequence of 2014 and opening of 2015. Russia did have the high moral ground up through December of 2013. If one cares
to remember, many American conservatives and libertarians, were beginning to admire and praise Putin for being a Rational figure on the world stage -
putting Obama to shame.
But Putin crossed the line and continues to sprint into the uncharted wilderness of epic psychosis.