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How 'religious moderates' protect 'religious extremists'

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posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 01:12 PM
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a short video from my favorite athiest Sam Harris, looking at how religious moderates In fact protect the actions of religious extremists. Pointing out religious moderate have created certain taboos like all religious beliefs must be respected. It s worth a watch especially after recent events. It's definitely worth a watch.

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posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 01:28 PM
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a reply to: woodwardjnr

All religious beliefs should be respected unless its violent or pushes intolerance IMO

btw your video does not work



posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 01:34 PM
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originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: woodwardjnr

All religious beliefs should be respected unless its violent or pushes intolerance IMO


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posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 01:35 PM
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originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: woodwardjnr

All religious beliefs should be respected unless its violent or pushes intolerance IMO

why?


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posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 01:47 PM
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a reply to: woodwardjnr

Because "moderates" are programmed with the same core program extremists are.

They share core values, behave similarly, speak similarly, dress similarly and have much in common with "extremists". The differences are so small that there is virtually no incentive or call to action strong enough for moderates to do anything to stop extremists. They identify with the extremists in almost every way.

They'll say things here and there but the words are irrelevant when compared with the truly committed actions of the extremists. Deep down they see the extremist as having superior commitment and thus a superior "moral authority" within their meme.

They must create and grow a strong "splinter meme" to counter-act the core. And I mean STRONG as in willing to die for it and kill for it. IMO, not going to happen with Islam. They will either assume total control or be wiped out trying. Sorry to be the one to break it to you "moderates".
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posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 01:55 PM
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a reply to: woodwardjnr

You wanna fight intolerance with intolerance?



posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 01:59 PM
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originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: woodwardjnr

You wanna fight intolerance with intolerance?
No I'd rather do it with rational and human intelligence and not putting any belief systems on a pedistall, especially religious ones



posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 02:08 PM
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a reply to: woodwardjnr

As long as they have the same beliefs as you? Anybody who has a religious belief is lacking rational and human intelligence?



posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 02:09 PM
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I mean yeah couldn't we say that we shouldn't respect mr. Harris belief?



posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 02:09 PM
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originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: woodwardjnr

As long as they have the same beliefs as you? Anybody who has a religious belief is lacking rational and human intelligence?
I belief religious belief lacks rational, human intelligence? I sometimes wonder



posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 02:13 PM
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a reply to: InverseLookingGlass

NOO! I think moderates will have tolerance and patient. as the extremist want it now and will force their agenda on you.,


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posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 02:41 PM
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This does NOT however mean all religion should be "done away with" or eradicated, because that is just as extreme as the extremist religious people willing to do away with entire swaths of people. You don't fight extremists by becoming one.



posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 02:45 PM
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a reply to: OpinionatedB

Tell that to many atheists. So tired of people complaining about religion while condemning them, blasting the believers, saying they're stupid, bigoted, hateful, close minded.

Tolerance is a two way street.



posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 03:35 PM
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originally posted by: Yeahkeepwatchingme
a reply to: OpinionatedB

Tell that to many atheists. So tired of people complaining about religion while condemning them, blasting the believers, saying they're stupid, bigoted, hateful, close minded.

Tolerance is a two way street.

Evangelical Religions have helped tremendously in creating the outspoken, and in your face atheists/anti-theists. They just don't like getting back what they've dished out for 2000 years.
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posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 03:40 PM
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On Topic: Mr. Harris addresses religious moderates and fundamentalists here, but what he says can be applied to any group of moderates and extremists. Atheists and political parties also fall under this line of thinking. So in this case, I don't think we can pin it all on religion. It's a human and societal condition.



posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 03:44 PM
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a reply to: Klassified

SEE! this is exactly why I'm agnostic. call me a coward, on the fence, whatever! Both groups are so much alike! CLOSED MINDED, self centered, uncaring, HYPOCRITES (of course not all). I admit I know nothing and just wanna learn from both argumentzs instead of claiming i know the answer



posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 04:22 PM
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originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: Klassified

SEE! this is exactly why I'm agnostic. call me a coward, on the fence, whatever! Both groups are so much alike! CLOSED MINDED, self centered, uncaring, HYPOCRITES (of course not all). I admit I know nothing and just wanna learn from both argumentzs instead of claiming i know the answer

I don't see agnosticism as cowardly at all. I see it as honesty with ones self, if that's how you really think. I also don't have a problem with religion as a whole, except for the evangelical/fundamentalist/extremist crowd. And I certainly don't have the answer. I'm an atheist for a different reason than many atheists. It isn't the idea of a creator, or creators I have an issue with. It's the man made concept of gods/goddesses/deity/divinity that I refuse to accept. I will not bestow divinity, worship, or reverence on any entity, whether flesh and blood, or other, just because one or more entities might have created the reality we abide in at present. Therefore, atheism seems to be the "label" that best fits my personal beliefs.

ETA: I would also add: If there is such an entity or entities responsible for our existence, I don't believe for even a moment there is any representative religion or belief system on earth that was established by said entity or entities. They are all human concept and interpretation.
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posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 04:29 PM
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originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: woodwardjnr

All religious beliefs should be respected unless its violent or pushes intolerance IMO

btw your video does not work
. Religion. Why the f$ck would I subjugate my consciousness and so desperately hinder its expansion, which is precisely the focus of my intent?



posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 07:36 PM
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a reply to: HUMBLEONE

sooooo you don't think others beliefs should be respected? I'm confused



posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 08:09 PM
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Pointing out religious moderate have created certain taboos like all religious beliefs must be respected.


I agree with Sam. I just saw this interview with Bill Donahue, of the Catholic League.



At 1:30 Donahue says this:


""I also condemn the lack of restraint of people perverting their freedom by choosing the most pornographic, obscene, vulgar depictions of Muhammad for the juvenile intent of insulting them. You know, when you keep doing that, you're going to get a response."

"The abuse of liberty, in this country and . . . by these smart alecks who want to take their middle finger and put it in the face of people of faith, that has to stop too," he said. "How about some restraint and civility and decency on the part of these people?"
www.newsmax.com...


It's interesting to note, in this case, that Charlie Hebdo had been sued 14 times by the Roman Catholic Church, offended by satirical depictions of Christianity.





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