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Real world contradicts right-wing tax theories

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posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 12:00 PM
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The tittle is the actual tittle of the article, not mine. I would add please read the article as the two paragraphs we are allowed to quote misses many of the talking points discussed in the article.


Now, thanks to recent tax cuts in Kansas and tax hikes in California, we have real-world tests of this idea. So far, the results do not support Laffer’s insistence that lower tax rates always result in more and better-paying jobs. In fact, Kansas’ tax cuts produced much slower job and wage growth than in California.



Tax hikes did not hurt California job growth because the taxes were not on jobs but on high incomes. A stiff state payroll tax that made each worker costlier would have dampened hiring because it would raise the overall cost of labor. But quitting California because the state takes $30,000 more out of each additional million dollars that top earners make would be penny wise and pound foolish: They can make more money staying in California


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Life's not fair,

so tax the rich, they will not go hungry!


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posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 12:03 PM
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the results do not support Laffer’s insistence that lower tax rates always result in more and better-paying jobs.


Oh well then there is no need to tax cuts, and tax credits for the poor, and middle class.

Since they 'don't' work,



posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 12:11 PM
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a reply to: neo96

You should at least have read what was quoted:

From OP:

Tax hikes did not hurt California job growth because the taxes were not on jobs but on high incomes. A stiff state payroll tax that made each worker costlier would have dampened hiring because it would raise the overall cost of labor.




Life's not fair,

so tax the rich, they will not go hungry!



posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 12:11 PM
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a reply to: AlaskanDad

The problem has always been the assumption that tax cuts will result in investment in new business, leading to job creation. That may have worked historically but in my opinion, it was already a bad assumption by the time Laffer introduced the concept to Rumsfeld, Cheney and Jude Wanniski in 1978 — which is about the same time that manufacturing employment peaked.



posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 12:13 PM
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a reply to: AlaskanDad

of course tax cuts on the rich and businesses do not create higher wages and more jobs. with the rich and big business it is all about maximization of profit. being able to keep more money means exactly that, they will keep it for themselves. now perhaps if they set up a tax break that is dependent on hiring more full time people (at full time hours), and higher wages for lower level employees it just might do that if they can keep more money by doing it than by not doing it. it is all about greed.



posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 12:23 PM
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a reply to: AlaskanDad

Yo same GD principal.

Taxes take money out of the economy.

The entire IDEA about Tax cuts is to let people keep more of what they earn.

But that doesn't apply to some people apparently.



posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 12:41 PM
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a reply to: neo96

Taxes take money out of the economy, lol's you have not looked at how much the US of A spends, ie puts into the economy.

Life's not fair,

so tax the rich, they will not go hungry!




posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 12:53 PM
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Yup.
That's what my business needs to grow, more taxes. I pay through the nose already.



posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 12:55 PM
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I don't share your enthusiasm for paying taxes. Federal personal income taxes SHOULD be illegal if it weren't for the 16th amendment and no human being should have to pay a tax to live on their own land. Paying a 'tax' to live on your land is just modern day feudalism.

Corporations should pay taxes and I actually don't have a problem with a tax on purchasing goods and services. At least a tax on goods discourages consumerism and makes savings and investing more attractive options.

If I have to pay income taxes I would be willing to pay state taxes before Federal taxes. The state taxes create more benefits for people and as far as I know there are no states at 'war' and actively killing people.



posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 01:31 PM
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If I have to pay income taxes I would be willing to pay state taxes before Federal taxes. The state taxes create more benefits for people and as far as I know there are no states at 'war' and actively killing people.


Really everyone knows what our tax money is used for. From bridges to no where. To giving it to evil Isreal. To Studying cow farts, and chinese hookers.

But hey make them evil rich PAY MORE.

LOL.

I wish they would wake up to the fact the problem isn't the evil rich it's the GD monetary system in this country.

Since the dollar is fiat. Rob from one group, and give more worthless paper for them to spend, and they really don't care it all ends up in the same place.

Them evil corporations pockets.

It is utter nonsense.

I favor abolition of the income tax since it has been bastardized in to paying the peoples bills where the power of taxation was given to the state to pay it's own bills.



posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 01:32 PM
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Taxes take money out of the economy.

Wrong the only time higher taxes takes money out of the economy is when the higher taxes is on people who spend close to 100% of their income back into the economy. People that earn a million plus do not spend all of their income back into the economy. Taxing the wealthy does not take money out of the economy.



posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 01:35 PM
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a reply to: buster2010

Wrong about what ?

Taken a look at the cost of living in the peoples republic of california, and new york.

Yo that is taxation at work.




Taxing the wealthy does not take money out of the economy.


Yes it does.

But hey who cares right.



posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 01:35 PM
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I favor abolition of the income tax since it has been bastardized in to paying the peoples bills where the power of taxation was given to the state to pay it's own bills.

Most states today can't pay their own bills. Would you for like your state to jack up your taxes ill they can pay their own bills?



posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 01:37 PM
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a reply to: buster2010

Thats right they can't.

Wanna know why ?

They are too busy paying for 'education' and 'free homes', and 'free' healthcare and other rubbish.



posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 01:38 PM
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Yes it does. But hey who cares right.

When they are dumping their money in offshore accounts they are the ones who is taking money out of the economy. But hey the wealthy can do no wrong in your eyes can they.



posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 01:40 PM
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I would dump my money offshore too considering the greed of the mob.

But then again that's a lie for the most part because some people don't bother looking up the reality.

With stuff like the FACTA

www.irs.gov...

Why yes them GD evil rich people only exist to pay for the mob wants!!!!!



posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 01:52 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

The Laffer curve does work in some circumstances - the problem was the gross, untested and now provably WRONG assumption by some that it worked in ALL circumstances.






edit on 2-12-2014 by Aloysius the Gaul because: curve, not cure!! :O



posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 02:02 PM
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The govt takes in plenty in tax money. The real problem is spending a $1.40 when you only have $1.00.
We have a 500 billion dollar deficit in 2014.
Take all the money of the ten richest americans and you can almost pay the deficit this year. Next year they will not have that money but that's ok.
Income is not the problem it's overspending.



posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 03:01 PM
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Even when wealth is put only in a savings account (which wealthy people don't do because of the piss poor return rate on that), that is the money from which banks can loan money to less-wealthy individuals--for business loans, for personal loans, for mortgages, etc.

So, yes, a tax on income removes every cent that is taxed from the economy, unless someone stuffs it in a freezer and forgets it's there.



posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 03:21 PM
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Sam Brownback has been a Tea Partier since before the Tea Party was born. When he became governor of Kansas in 2011, he set about making the state a testing ground for conservative principles, including cutting funding for some public education and the eventual elimination of the state’s income tax. “Our new pro-growth tax policy will be like a shot of adrenaline into the heart of the Kansas economy,” he wrote in a 2012 op-ed. He predicted cutting taxes would “pave the way to the creation of tens of thousands of new jobs, bring tens of thousands of people to Kansas, and help make our state the best place in America to start and grow a small business.”



A little more than a year has passed since the first phase of the Brownback tax cuts went into effect on Jan. 1, 2013, so it’s possible to make a preliminary assessment of their effects. The early verdict: not too good. The jury is still out on whether lower taxes will stimulate businesses to expand and hire over the long term. But the immediate effect has been to blow a hole in the state’s finances without noticeable economic growth.


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edit on 2-12-2014 by AlaskanDad because: added graph




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