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No really, I'm so glad to hear that you know exactly how illegal aliens live and work. I'm sure you're aware of all the nuances of their lifestyle so that you have all the answers for how to deal with them and their situations.
originally posted by: Daedalus
if they're getting benefits, then yes, i suppose they would end up needing to answer a bunch of questions about income....but if they're not, then they don't.
you get 10 or so of them together, they pool their resources, and rent a house..if they're all working under the table, for cash, they've got the resources to afford the rent, and food, and transportation, with enough left over to send back to mexico. even if they're only able to send 25 bucks a month, back, that still translates to (as of today, with slight rounding, for round numbers) roughly 350 pesos...assuming the exchange rate holds at roughly the same, over the course of 10 years, that's roughly 42,000 pesos...go 20 years, and that's 84,000 pesos....if they're able to send 50 dollars a month home, then you're talking 84,000 at 10 years, and 168,000 at 20 years...and so on, and so forth, depending on how much they can send home...
the ONLY benefit it provides them is protection from deportation, while they continue padding their retirement fund...
they do? explain to me exactly how someone working under the table, for cash, with no documented record of employment, and no "paycheck" is paying ANY deductions..
no, what they're not paying, is ANYTHING....and holy crap, you really ARE bad at math...3 out of 9 is not 50%
i never proposed to give them the power to deport anyone they want, on nothing more than the accusation of being illegal...where in the hell do you GET this crap?
Instead they're here working hard and earning money. What is the problem with that?
The US citizen could work 10 people to an apartment and save up money as well, but they don't.
US citizens need to become more competitive.
originally posted by: Aazadan
And if they're not getting any benefits they're not leeching off of anyone. Instead they're here working hard and earning money. What is the problem with that? Is the problem that they're willing to work for less money than a US citizen? Under capitalism the most efficient person gets the job and they're being more efficient for the employer.
The US citizen could work 10 people to an apartment and save up money as well, but they don't. So the conclusion is either that capitalism is flawed (this is the side I'm on) or that US citizens need to become more competitive. The employer doesn't really care, that's why they outsourced all those manufacturing jobs to non citizens where none of the wages go back into our economy.
And if they're a legal citizen they get to send home $150/month rather than $50/month for example. Simultaneously because their wage now has to be increased to atleast minimum wage they suddenly cost the same as someone who was already here, which means the person without amnesty can atleast compete for the same job. Both sides win.
And it protects the honest American citizen who lives here and doesn't need amnesty in the first place too.
The employer still has to explain the wages of their employees, the IRS doesn't really care of an individual works under the table but they do care that said employer pays the taxes on those cash wages. Actually getting caught doing that though is all a matter of luck of the draw with audits.
Sorry, I read the 50% increase quote, which is from 6 to 9. 3 is 33% of 9. However the point stands, at lower income levels you aren't paying 33% in taxes either, especially if you're not spending money in the local economy and being hit with things like gas and fuel taxes. However, you are paying some taxes.
From your words, you said no trials for illegals because illegal invaders don't get trials. If there is no trial then US citizens have no rights to prove their legal status. ICE can draw whatever conclusions they want from whatever sources they choose to use or not use. Without a court date ICE can say you're an illegal and there's nothing you can do about it, regardless of what documentation you have. That opens the door to them deporting anyone they want, for anything they want and that is a very bad thing to enable.
HOW!? Jesus H. Christ in a chicken basket, HOW does it protect anyone but them from ANYTHING?