Are We Done With The Clinton and Obama Trainwreck Yet?

You think progressives are morons. We think conservatives are. Only one issue really matters right now, but it matters a great deal. Global climate change. You worry about "the economy" we worry about "the planet itself." Difference is this: if we are wrong, we have harmed the economy; if you are wrong you have damaged this earth to an extent that will take tens of thousands of years to recover from. Since name calling will never resolve the issue we can only agree that there will come a time, not too long from now, when one view or the other will be clearly seen as a despicable crime.

Does everyone remember when Hilary Clinton lied about coming under fire during a trip to Kosovo?, remember that? when she told an entire nation of people and the rest of the world a complete fabrication??

I remember that.

And that is the person who is running for president of America?

LOL.

Hillary Clinton's Bosnia sniper story exposed

HAHA wtf pretty terrible reality TV you guys have.

a reply to: works4dhs

People have such short memories. Yea, people are fed up with the Democrats so we'll switch everything over the Republicans) as we have done for generations and know what? Not a fricking thing will change. Why? Because the people that own these clowns own ALL the clowns. Wouldn't matter if Jesus and Budda ran together on one of the two-party tickets, in the end, it would be business-as-usual. Why, do you suppose, the two-parties work so hard to prevent a third party candidate? Because the people pulling both sets of strings are the same people. They own these candidates and politicians THROUGH the party system. It's a lot easier and more efficient to wield control through a couple central organizations than attempting to control things on a politician-by-politician level. But people just can't/won't see this. It will be 'my-party-is-better-than-your-party' until everything is a smoking pile of waste.

At this point I'd vote for a dead deer on the side of the road over any of the likely candidates. The dead deer probably would accomplish more anyways.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I can see the Headlines now:

"As Hurricane Harold strikes Georgia with Category 5 ferocity, President Venison sunbathes in rural Arizona"

"ISIS gains a foothold in Central Iraq, President Venison remains silent"

"President Venison issues another of his 'quiet vetos' by refusing to sign major healthcare overhaul legislation"

originally posted by: jtma508
a reply to: works4dhs

People have such short memories. Yea, people are fed up with the Democrats so we'll switch everything over the Republicans) as we have done for generations and know what? Not a fricking thing will change. Why? Because the people that own these clowns own ALL the clowns. Wouldn't matter if Jesus and Budda ran together on one of the two-party tickets, in the end, it would be business-as-usual. Why, do you suppose, the two-parties work so hard to prevent a third party candidate? Because the people pulling both sets of strings are the same people. They own these candidates and politicians THROUGH the party system. It's a lot easier and more efficient to wield control through a couple central organizations than attempting to control things on a politician-by-politician level. But people just can't/won't see this. It will be 'my-party-is-better-than-your-party' until everything is a smoking pile of waste.

Couldn't agree more.

The "two" party system is a complete farce, yet people seem to still hold delusions of a difference.

The whole idea that either party ever gets a mandate simply because people voted them in is also rubbish. Like, I've heard people claim that the current Republican victory is somehow a mandate. LOL. Anyone who is awake can see is simply a cycle. After a couple more elections,the Dems will take over again.

And the cycle of stupid continues, and things will get worse. The Republicans will continue to wage war against the poor, gays, women, and anyone who is not religious. The Democrats will continue to wage war on gun rights, states rights, and promote a more extensive nanny state. And both parties will equally continue to wage war against personal choice, personal and civil liberties, the Constitution, privacy, and dignity.

My only real consolation in this mess is that I do not waste my votes for either party, and with few exceptions, will almost never vote for them in any race. Too bad more people won't wake the hell up and start looking beyond the liberal/conservative circus towards people and maybe even parties not part of the norm. Only then will anything change.

You may think Obama is bad but the Bush cretins will be hard to top.

originally posted by: fullbola
You may think Obama is bad but the Bush cretins will be hard to top.

Still hanging onto that "lesser of 2 evils" thing?

That's why things are so bad now!..........

originally posted by: Ceeker63
A retired General or a Admiral would be nice. IMO

I'd prefer a non-com. I've seen too many officers with that elitist attitude.

a reply to: Ceeker63

"I like your parameters for Presidential Candidate. However, I would like to add another. He or she should have been a career military person. That way they would understand our military and how it is suppose to function. A retired General or a Admiral would be nice. IMO"

Ideally, Yes, I'd like my Presidential candidate to have served in the military, if only to understand and respect the patriotism, risk and Can-Do attitude so lacking in today's line-my-own-pockets politicians. BUT I wouldn't want a career military officer, since they tilt a little too far arch-conservative.

President Eisenhower (5-star General in charge of WWII's entire European Front) sold out this country for Alien Tech - and today we have damn little to show for it. President Johnson had seen poverty, and his Great Society worked. But he inherited the VietNam war that Kennedy (who also had no military experience) was getting ready to pull out of when he was assassinated. Johnson let MacNamara micro-manage Vietnam from the White House - take a hill, let the VietCong take the hill, take another hill, let the enemy have it - instead of combat officers actually over there. What a farce! Johnson at least did the honorable thing when he realized he was in over his head - he refused to run for a second term.

But since then - except for Reagan - just an endless stream of Ivy Leaguers who were either draft-dodgers like Bill Clinton, or were assigned to a stateside National Guard like George W. - and seldom if ever showed up. Obama has zero military experience, and distrusts and slams them at every chance.

So, Yeah, someone in the White House who had "served" would be great. Just no top officers, thank you.

a reply to: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

"The "two" party system is a complete farce, yet people seem to still hold delusions of a difference."

(Actually the whole Liberal/Conservative labels are only for the campaign, since all the Big Money people are at both extremes. But when thepoliticos get into office, they always end up Centrists, since that's where most voters land on the scale. And a Centrist approach is the best way to work with Congress.)

"The whole idea that either party ever gets a mandate simply because people voted them in is also rubbish. Like, I've heard people claim that the current Republican victory is somehow a mandate. LOL. Anyone who is awake can see is simply a cycle. After a couple more elections,the Dems will take over again."

(The bit that everyone forgets - or won't admit - is that our national Presidential elections have been hijacked by hacked voting machines since 2008. George W. won with the "hanging chads" controversy, despite Al Gore (who also turned out to be a total jerk) having the highest popular vote. Enter the blasted, hackable voting machines! So, despite the polls all showing Romney winning, guess who won in 2012?

(But the voting machines were glitchy and expensive to maintain, so by 2014, 70% of Americans voted with paper ballots. Voila! The politicos who won basically matched all the polls! So Yeah, there was a mandate: The Dems are as corrupt and broken-down as their voting machines, time to vote GOP.)

(And the fact that the Administrations go back and forth, from Dems to GOP to Dems, and so on, shows that the system works. The one to watch now, however, is Obama. His advisers have been very vocal about pushing their fascist ideas, and keeping King Obama in power ... forever.)

A military man to lead the country...

Haven't we done enough warring for a while, maybe take a decade or two off. (like that is going to happen)

a reply to: Ceeker63

Like I said, I battled for Congressional Term Limits, and got shot down by everyone. I finally came up with my own wish list:

~ Elect a new Congressman a year before the Term Limit on the guy in office expires. That way, the winner can be tutored by the guy in office, and get up to speed faster. Although the newly elected guy would have no voting rights or committee assignments that first year.

~ Campaign finance is another quicksand, aided and abetted by ever-more-expensive Campaigns. All I can think of is to limit the Campaign to just 6 months. No "exploratory committee" six years out, and years of bugging folks for donations.

~ If a 6 month campaign isn't do-able, how about limiting the electronic ads (the most expensive part in any campaign) to only the last 6 months before the election?

a reply to: captaintyinknots

"They're all sides of the same coin."

I agree that we've had enough Bushes and Clintons in the White House. These "dynasties" of Ivy Leaguers, totally out of touch with the common man, think the country between the coasts is just "flyover land."

Although Jimmy Carter was a former governor from Georgia, and bungled things up in the worst way: He let the corrupt but secular Shah of Iran fall, which opened the door to rule-by-religion. And we are STILL battling the Jihadists all over the world, while the various Islamic sects also destroy each other.

Maybe we need a new coin?

I know its a pipe dream but Id like to see what Ted Cruz could do?!?! Ya ya I know he is a right wing nut but so was Reagan yet he did a lot of good and atleast the world didnt think we where a bunch of wimps! I'd also like a President to actually govern based on constitutional framework not a socialist marxist stance.

originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: MKMoniker

Warren. She's in no ones pocket. She fights for the middle class and American values. Sadly Republicans can't see that because she's progressive on social issues. She's one of only a handful of uncorrupted politicians and the only one of those with the popularity and name recognition to win.

Couple Elizabeth Warren with Bernie Sanders and you have a ticket worth supporting IMO. Doesn't make a hill of beans to me which one of them heads up the ticket either.

Of course, it would be a hell of an uphill battle from the get go. Especially seeing how Wall St. and corporate America will go all out to see them defeated.

Then again, it just makes it that much easier to tell the good guys from the bad guys.

a reply to: VictorVonDoom

"I'd prefer a non-com. I've seen too many officers with that elitist attitude."

Secretary of Defense Hagel was a non-com. And the first thing he told the Pentagon was "just keep doing what you're doing."

If it were better times, and the Best & Brightest had been retained, that wouldn't be a problem. But Obama's toadies have shredded our military. From using certain branches/Spec Ops as Obama's "personal Brown Shirts" (which Tom Clancy wrote about - then "died after a brief illness." Which is Intel-speak for the public, meaning he "was terminated with extreme prejudice".)

To an explosion of Spec Ops - more than we need - who found and recruited the Syrian (American trained) "rebels" - including the ISIS. To interviewing soldiers with a lie detector when they want to re-up, and asking "Would you be willing to fire on American citizens?"

To his credit, Sec. Hagel has waded into all these messes he inherited from Mr. Walnut Farmer (Panetta). But how much of the changes suggested by studies are enacted, depends on what you can get past Team Obama. Who view certain elements of the military as their "protected soldiers" (who all passed the lie detector question "Would you fire on American civilians?") and are thus regarded as their Ace in the Hole, should they actually get the U.S. to their knees and can declare Martial Law.

Now we've got too many "loose nukes", and the stories about the "3 stolen nukes" last Fall are True. Some courageous career officers went to the mat to protect us - and all got fired. (If you want to read more, my discussion on this is in [Hoax].

a reply to: sirlancelot

"I'd also like a President to actually govern based on constitutional framework, not a socialist marxist stance."

Amen!

"I know its a pipe dream but Id like to see what Ted Cruz could do?!?!"

I'm not a big fan of Cruz's. But I'm watching Senator Marco Rubio from Florida. And Jeb Bush's grown sons are already in politics, having won county elections in Texas.

2016 will be a real "horse race," I imagine. Especially if Hillary declines to run due to "health issues" I keep hearing about. (Although her long-time staff have pushed long and hard to get her into the Oval Office. So if she declines to run for anything less that "health issues," we could see a lynching in her New York offices ...)

originally posted by: sirlancelot
I know its a pipe dream but Id like to see what Ted Cruz could do?!?!

I hope this never happens. If you think things can't gt worse...

There's some ethical politicians: Warren, Kucinich, Bernie Sanders, Gary Johnson, Rocky Anderson, Mike Gravel, Barbara Boxer, Marcy Kaptur, probably more I'm not thinking of. Notice how many of them you've never heard of...

Trouble is, they'll NEVER be allowed to get enough money or exposure or access to the debates to be nominated. Instead they are marginalized as either being 'conspiracy theorists', or 'once saw a UFO' or 'pretended to be an Indian' or whatever. Doesn't matter, the marginalization has many possibilities and the MSM will take them, run with it and meanwhile fawn all over jackasses like Romney (a teenage bully who liked to impersonate the Michigan State Police and tried to get the French to give up wine for two years rather than serve in the Vietnam War? Pleeezzz....) or remember the others in the Republican Clown Car? There was the pizza guy, and Bachman, and the Second Idiot Texas Governor...

Instead we get these morally, ethically and intellectually flawed candidates, over and over again.

And the one that is picked/chosen/installed by the Supreme Court and Florida politics and Diebold is either told in no uncertain terms what's gonna happen the next four to eight years or else, or is already on board a la the Bush Crime Family, the Clinton Arkansas Crime Family, etc.

Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss.