United Earth - New World Order or One World Government?

Can humans be trusted? Without the need for any government or laws to keep us in line? No police, no armies no powers that be. could we be trusted to just be left alone and muddle our way through life. To me that would seem like the best option. To trust your fellow human. At least if it all went wrong, the only ones to blame would be ourselves.

The one point "borders" are going to be the biggest obstacle . I can think of one country (Israel) that would not only require to have it's borders but might also desire to be that one world Govt . that this thread is all about .It aint going to happen unless all the Nations of the world go against them and ,well I think there is some ancient writing that speaks about that happening . a reply to: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: SLAYER69
a reply to: the2ofusr1
a reply to: havok


We are 7.12 billion and growing.

Wars, starvation, disease etc and all other forms of issues which plaque us wont simply go away. You both don't see a need to eventually come together as a species for the common good of all?

How do you suppose we as a species should come about this 'good for all'? Hell, most of us don't know even themselves or what is good for them. How are you then supposed to agree on 'good for all'? It almost starts to reek of socialism or fascism when you put it like that...

Here's a word concerning it - ARITHMATOCRACY .

As in,

arithmatics (maths) is a primary and accepted social and economic feature which takes high place in governing the world .

By example , during the Ethiopian famine in the 1980s , there was food in the shops , there was food flowing out of the country , just the arithmatics of poverty (ie no money) caused millions to starve .
It's been said , the Arab springs weren't about democracy or any such idealism - but heightening prices of staple foods caused it .

originally posted by: SLAYER69

originally posted by: lordcomac
Don't worry though- As Havok stated, we never have had a choice. There will be a single power, and chances are they will sort out the population problem by force.

Well that's a pretty defeatist *just bend over and take it* type attitude if you don't mind me saying so.

No fight in ya eh?

I disagree, we have the interwebs and should be able to discuss options openly among ourselves.

Screw 'The Powers That Be"

I'd love to fight- but what choice do I have? My power to control my own life is severely limited by my ability to attain money- which as you know is a bloody joke.

I, too, want to live in communities- I'd make a half decent blacksmith, handyman, and even carpenter in a pinch- but growing food isn't a strong point for me. But if it's got wheels (tractor) I can usually make it do what it needs to do to get the job done.

I'm even working towards such a goal- but the way things are, you can't do that without land. Land costs money- and lots of it- unless you buy it out in the middle of nowhere. Even out there it costs money- which means I'd need to "earn" money- just to keep up on the payments and tax. The more you develop it, the more they tax you, the more money you need to make....
It would be pretty easy if I could just go sit my ass down on a hundred acres and start a new life- but I can't. You can't, either.

The people in charge, for whatever reason, are still in charge. Nobody likes it, yet its clear we're not going to do anything about it. Every day they take away more of our rights and nobody bats an eye because anyone who stands up gets put away.

My attitude is not defeatist- but I'm feeling pretty defeated just trying to escape the madness. The powers that be have assassinated presidents for standing up to them- what can a lowly taxpayer do?

Discuss options all you want- there are really powerful people who have it in their best interest to not let you stand up to them. They own our governments- and they own spiffy systems like that datacenter that records everything you type on the internet- every call you make, everywhere you go. Find a way to undermine the system that's keeping you down, and you're suddenly a terrorist- and anyone helping is part of a terrorist organisation.


The closest thing I've seen to making a difference on the internet is these digital petitions- but so few people ever touch them. If there were a way for individual citizens to "vote" directly on issues, even if just on a public system that isn't related to the government in any way, and we could somehow actually get the word out so enough people did it, it would revolutionize the way people saw our government at work.
Trouble is, there's no good way to do that without somehow keeping track of which individual person voted for what- and that's just a little too close to having to sign into the internet with my SSN.

originally posted by: TatTvamAsi
How do you suppose we as a species should come about this 'good for all'? Hell, most of us don't know even themselves or what is good for them. How are you then supposed to agree on 'good for all'? It almost starts to reek of socialism or fascism when you put it like that...

Another good example of what we are discussing and attempting to hash out.

What would you suggest?

a reply to: SLAYER69

The creepy part is that the elites are forming our new order in border line secrecy. Why ?

Also in answer to your question; Wars are created to bring about a NWO.

originally posted by: SLAYER69

originally posted by: TatTvamAsi
How do you suppose we as a species should come about this 'good for all'? Hell, most of us don't know even themselves or what is good for them. How are you then supposed to agree on 'good for all'? It almost starts to reek of socialism or fascism when you put it like that...

Another good example of what we are discussing and attempting to hash out.

What would you suggest?

Already did earlier, suggested small communities instead of bigger entities. Provided a link to some reading in the previous post as well. Also, I agree with woodwardjnr somewhat.

a reply to: Emerald53

Really? What do you think the UN is? Hint: A global organisation for colaboration and to end wars... As in UnitedNations...

a reply to: TatTvamAsi

Yes I read that.

Being a student of history I'm very familiar. Even in smaller communities there has to be some form of cooperation amongst the people.

This threads premise is to discuss the various options/opinions. Yours is appreciated.

Thank you.

originally posted by: SLAYER69

originally posted by: Britguy
We need to think outside the current political systems and cooperate. It ain't gonna happen, well not in my lifetime anyway.

Which is exactly why I've posted this topic. I wanted to get others opinions on what would be a better system. So far all I'm mostly reading is what doesn't work and why it wont happen...

Walks off scratching his head...

One world Government would be great and work and bring us into the universal family (if there is one) if we can loose the nationalistic pride and realize we are one people of earth.

Until then, fighting over borders and beliefs will keep us in the cycle we have been in for many generations.

Yes we move forward technologically but morally we are stuck in the dark ages and that is why we cant move forward as one because earth is divided instead of united.

a reply to: the2ofusr1

I don't care about ancient writings. I care about reality. Though, you do bring up a good point with Israel. How do we get places like Israel to stop their conflicts with Pakistan or Iran under the one government? Under a one world government, Israel hating Iran or Pakistan would be the equivalent of West Virginia hating Virginia. How do you overcome the cultural (and religious) intolerances to unite these places?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Kill all analphabetic, xenophobic deluded #s, maybe? Not really serious, but as long as we're stuck with idiots unwilling to accept their reality, like some one else said before, tolerance starts with accepting who we are, individually.

I'd like to add, off topic maybe: Israel is target of the hate by its surrounding nations, and imho just defending it's rocky little scrap of home.

And get this ....Breaking news . A group of elite people meeting in secret have decided to form a one world Govt. that all humans are going to be a part of ... You will get your marching orders from representatives that they have chosen to represent each district on a new map they have drawn up . You will receive a email shortly where you can register .Big signing bonus , lots of free gifts .Every one wins . :>)

This threads is a blank canvas and as such could be used to post what you'd like to see and how in your opinion it may come about.

Well you don't because you cant .:>) a reply to: Krazysh0t

I think that long ago, some people with foresight and power realized that such a thing was an inevitability. So, they went about creating new chapters of our cultural story that lead to no one working towards a unified planet other than those already in control.

I think the best method is grassroots movements that connect, share, and grow with technology. I am working on such things myself, but I believe discussing it is against t&c's. That said, I think a good first step is to design an economic system that actually places incentives on jobs and actions properly, rather than rewarding exploitation first and foremost.

There is no need for everyone to be in agreement about everything for people to work together. We have been programmed to fight those with different perspectives rather than make any attempts to work together. That might be one of the more difficult hurdles to overcome, as it actually requires people to participate and think about their actions.

My opinion? A one world government will never work. There will always be a culture that wants to be in charge, whether it be a one world Hebrew speaking domination, a theocracy that believes that anyone that doesn't agree with them shall be beheaded or stoners who legislate the growing of smokable herbs.

However, a ruling government representing every individual on earth but separate from the cultures and diversities that the world encompasses, in a way (I hate to say it) like the United Nations, but with more "overseeing" powers than the current UN. Maybe a UN with more bite that will address conflicts with arbitration not war, and would be the ultimate decision maker in this world of conflict and disagreements. Or, something like that...

a reply to: Peeple

Israel creates its own problems. It doesn't want to play nice with others. It seems every few months, Benny comes out and says that Iran is trying to build nukes to blow up Israel. That is pretty antagonistic. If every few months someone came out and accused you of wanting to kill them, you wouldn't think too kindly of them back.

By the way, tolerance should also extend to the intolerant. The reason killing all the intolerants won't work is because it just creates more intolerance. Violence begets violence. That is why anyone who says that a government needs to go to war to prevent another country from invading is blowing smoke. That just creates new problems (look at Iraq currently). So what we should be doing is trying to educate the intolerant. It requires patience and time. One of the biggest problems with humanity is that we are short sighted. If a plan doesn't work overnight, we become fidgety and say that more needs to be done or we aren't doing the right thing (ex: gun violence has been on the decrease since 1992, yet that doesn't stop the democrats saying that guns are a huge problem. No they aren't we fixed the problem back in the 90's).

I honestly think we need to stop the boat and go back a short while ago when the earth's people's were divided by both language and natural geographic boundaries . Each group had their own concerns specific to their geographic location .They seemed to have had some disputes with neighbors but also understood some of their neighbors concerns . I am thinking of first Nations here in NA but I am sure these same problems or conditions were wide spread over the face of the earth . Might we learn how they did it back then with the successes and notice what we might conceive as failings .

I am thinking that most wars in ancient times were always fomented or just greed for power . The only new world order I will be happy to see is not the one that man will create but one that comes about naturally . a reply to: SLAYER69