Russia flies unusual maneuvers over Europe

Hello ATS,

So I received this from a friend of mine in email. Since I am not a native to the language used in the article, and Google translate seems a little sketchy at best. I'm putting this up here for your consumption. (Of course, I'm not familiar with the source either. So this could be a Onion site for Europe, for all I know. Anyways, the headline is rather catchy to ones doom-porn addiction, yes?

As NATO announced that a total of four groups were registered by several fighter jets and long-range bombers on Tuesday and Wednesday in international airspace over the Baltic Sea, the North Sea and the Black Sea. Accordingly, the aircraft were accompanied during the entire duration of their flights by fighter jets of various NATO countries and persecuted by the NATO air surveillance.

Stern site (Source)

Now, Russia is flexing yet again. I know they have been running tests against other counties air-defense response times over the past several months.

But this seemed a little peculiar, to me. Usually it was in the order of magnitude of a couple times a month, and here we have a four events in two days. Is Russia flexing, or ramping up?

Thoughts, ATS?

The current administration has weakened us.

America is weak now.

Now that the protector has shown fear, the bullies on the playground are starting their usual tricks again.

If I remember correctly, didn't Russia do this up until the late 80s? So I don't think it's anything new, it's just their way of being bullies and showing that they are willing and able to break the rules. S + F

a reply to: Yeahkeepwatchingme

Yes, this used to occur during the 80's, and even before that. For a decade or two, tho, Russia was quiet.

Now, things have changed, yes, and it seems the Bear is waking from hibernation.

Sadly, we are still playing in the woods, not very aware of what is lurking.

a reply to: Cygnis

Russia expects a war in the not so near future with the West, so they are preparing.

Russia believes the West is following The Grand Chessboard :

Regarding the landmass of Eurasia as the center of global power, Brzezinski sets out to formulate a Eurasian geostrategy for the United States. 9b]In particular, he writes, it is imperative that no Eurasian challenger should emerge capable of dominating Eurasia and thus also of challenging America's global pre-eminence.

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It also states the alliance of China, Russia and Iran has to be broken up. And Russia also expects Iran to be attacked after Syria has been attacked. They are just preparing for what they say as inevitable in the short future regarding the path which is followed by the neo-cons.

a reply to: Cygnis

This isn't any news ... just a bunch of idiots, making a big issue out of nothing. Sweden and other countries, continuously fly spy planes over Russia ...

When the Russians fly their Big Bear, with nuclear weapons onboard over Europe, along with fighters... then you have a reason to worry. Because, if "I" were the Russians, that's exactly what I'd do ... if I "meant" business ... I wouldn't play cat and mouse, I'd show you the consequences, and if if Britain or France, or US planes tried to do the same ... I'd send a missile after them. And leave the "decision" of nuclear war, up to EU and the US.

You'd probably think "that's insane!" ... and the answer is, no it isn't. To bully a nuclear superpower, like Nato is doing ... is insane. Because, no matter how small or miniscule a conflict with Russia will EVER be ... there is 99,9% possibility that nuclear bomb will be blown up, by some party in the conflict ... most likely in Russia. And most likely by some "terrorist" gang, supported by the middle east, or NATO ... or both. The probability is 99,9%.

So, if you look at this from a Russian point of view ... they better get their ass of their lazy chairs, and start doing some serious preemptive attitude.

But we're not there ... are we, so nothing to worry about.

a reply to: Cygnis

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a reply to: bjarneorn

I don't really see it a NATO bullying Russia. But I do see Western businesses using their financial clout to hurt Russia economically. Could that lead to war? Sure it could, but it would be one the Russian lose in the long run, though no one else will get off scot-free either. The last thing any one needs at the moment is a war.

Russian Government collapsed back in the nineties only to be replaced by Russian Crime Bosses. And while ruthless, they really don't know how to play world politics. Of course, neither does Obama or a few other so called leaders in the West.

originally posted by: bjarneorn
a reply to: Cygnis

This isn't any news ... just a bunch of idiots, making a big issue out of nothing. Sweden and other countries, continuously fly spy planes over Russia ...

When the Russians fly their Big Bear, with nuclear weapons onboard over Europe, along with fighters... then you have a reason to worry. Because, if "I" were the Russians, that's exactly what I'd do ... if I "meant" business ... I wouldn't play cat and mouse, I'd show you the consequences, and if if Britain or France, or US planes tried to do the same ... I'd send a missile after them. And leave the "decision" of nuclear war, up to EU and the US.

You'd probably think "that's insane!" ... and the answer is, no it isn't. To bully a nuclear superpower, like Nato is doing ... is insane. Because, no matter how small or miniscule a conflict with Russia will EVER be ... there is 99,9% possibility that nuclear bomb will be blown up, by some party in the conflict ... most likely in Russia. And most likely by some "terrorist" gang, supported by the middle east, or NATO ... or both. The probability is 99,9%.

So, if you look at this from a Russian point of view ... they better get their ass of their lazy chairs, and start doing some serious preemptive attitude.

But we're not there ... are we, so nothing to worry about.

Nothing is impossible, however, probable is another story. I don't doubt nukes could be used. I do, however, doubt it will be a large-scale thing. Most sane people understand, and cannot fathom a global nuclear war. The ramifications of such a thing are.... unthinkable, much like fathoming infinity.

After all, possibilities are... infinite.

Russia has been violating borders more often since Ukraine happenings. Military activity in Baltic Sea has increased a lot. Last Tuesday, NATO planes followed 7 Russian planes and Wednesday 5 Russian planes.
There have been tensions and rumors of Putin having a cancer and trying to make a great Russia once again before dying..
The Russian bear is angry much angrier than in times of the Cold War..

a reply to: bjarneorn
When the Russians fly their Big Bear, with nuclear weapons onboard over Europe, along with fighters... then you have a reason to worry

I guess they'll find out the hard way which plane they should have worried about after it pops a Nuke over their heads.

Nothing but scaremongering crap from the media and NATO.

The aircraft were all in international airspace, where they are allowed to be. How many NATO, US and other military aircraft fly around the same airspace day in and day out? The simple answer is a hell of a lot.

Maybe if NATO, US, UK and all the other idiots hadn't been ramping up all the anti-Russia rhetoric, the Russians wouldn't have ramped up their alert levels and training. Of course, that would be the logical thing to do!

originally posted by: SLAYER69

a reply to: bjarneorn
When the Russians fly their Big Bear, with nuclear weapons onboard over Europe, along with fighters... then you have a reason to worry

I guess they'll find out the hard way which plane they should have worried about after it pops a Nuke over their heads.

No Shi#. The Russians have far more dangerous strategic bombers than the ancient bear. They have supersonic bombers like our b-1. Nothing stealth yet, though, that we know of. I'd be more worried about the Russian subs than their bombers anyway.

All this is BS though, the Russians aren't gonna start a damn war. Their not crazy. They'd lose, and lose big and they know it, plus America is about to suffer a dramatic economic implosion that'll take care of their problem for them, so why fight?

originally posted by: Britguy
Nothing but scaremongering crap from the media and NATO.

The aircraft were all in international airspace, where they are allowed to be. How many NATO, US and other military aircraft fly around the same airspace day in and day out? The simple answer is a hell of a lot.

Maybe if NATO, US, UK and all the other idiots hadn't been ramping up all the anti-Russia rhetoric, the Russians wouldn't have ramped up their alert levels and training. Of course, that would be the logical thing to do!

I'm not so sure they are all in international airspace. Many loud "booms" have been reported today, from U.K. to France, to USA to Sweden or Switzerland, I can't remember which. My guess is NATO fighter "intercepters", BUT - even when scrambled, intercepters do NOT go super-sonic over land or populated area's, since the "boom" could break windows if the aircraft are low enough, not to mention scaring the sheeple! So, for the jets to be given the go-ahead to go super-sonic, someone must feel particularly "threatened", as in Russian jets well within Nato airspace. My suspicion is that the West has been "poking the Bear" by excursions into Russian territory from eastern europen countries for a while now, and, judging from the tone of Putin's speech a few days ago, he has had enough. Perhaps he is now "retaliating" one for one - every time NATO breaches his air-space and legs it before his interceptors get there, he does the same to the West. Could even be so detailed as if it's an RAF fighter breaching his airspace, his fighter is immediately sent into U.K. airspace, same for the French and USA - hence all these "intercepts" going on all over Europe and USA.

Just my tuppence worth, I stand to be corrected.

Scaremongering or intentional statement.
The 'NUKE' that would be in that 'CARRIER', as there is no intent to release the nuke so it cant be called a 'bomber' would be so powerful no military in there right mind would shoot it out of the sky due to the KNOWN consequences. That's the reality of human nature. It is so predictable we must look like a herd of goats to other intelligent lifeforms (if they exist).

a reply to: GnosticWay

I don't think either side WANTS to start a war, but Wars start by the stupidest things sometimes.

Many here keep talking about the dangers of 'Poking the Bear' you know, Bears can get themselves into a pretty bad fix by messing with a hornets nest.

Both sides need to chill the hell out...

a reply to: Britguy

Here is a picture where Russian military planes has been seen and photographed

Wednesday Russian planes were seen in Baltic Sea, Black Sea and coastline of Turkey.
In Black Sea they saw two Tu-95-bombers and two Su-27-planes
Russian Military activity in this scale is not usual. And when military planes in group of seven planes are in your airspace they are not having a joyriding.. more like testing us.

Given Russia's bio weapons capabilities it would be foolish to assume nuclear warheads. Why else would Russia fight so hard to protect Syria from Nato/us intervention unless he wanted something?

More to the point, it is only since that time that Russia began acting up like this. To me that implies a sense of confidence based on increased strength, not our countries leadership.

Yep, the groups of 5 and/or 7 planes does seem unusual, but, and just playing "devils advocate" here, what if we HAVE been breaching, or getting worryingly close to, Russian airspace? Perhaps Putin has just figured to hell with it, he needs to get his planes from A to B, and instead of "going the long way round" so as not to ruffle feathers, he has just decided to take the shortest route and to hell with what NATO thinks about it?

Again, am not at all knowledgeble on this, so please ignore me if I am spouting trash.

a reply to: odaeio

What if Putin and his army are fighting a desperate air battle, determined to save humanity from the onslaught of alien invasion?

Maybe that is the real power the NSA has over the internet.

We now control all that you see and here.