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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Nechash
If they aren't ready for college, they shouldn't be there. Why waste money on sending them there? Not to mention adding to their eventual student loan burden. High school is free.
originally posted by: Nechash
a reply to: ketsuko
I tutored university students, many, many students end up in remedial classes. They are going to end up taking them anyway, why waste money on the redundancy of having them go to high school first?
originally posted by: badgerprints
You seem like a decent sort and may be earnest in your intentions.
I have to disagree with you... Vigorously disagree...extremely vigorous.
If I could yell on this site I'd be breaking speakers.
College should not be free.
Most students are doing such a lousy job in high school because they know they can learn it later in college and get credit for being subpar students. Not preparing for college should not be rewarded.
Most college grads can't get a living wage after college because they never looked at what their expected job paid as compared to their debts.
That's third grade math...I wonder if they need tutors for that.
They wasted high school so we pay for college and let them waste that too?
Letting kids screw off for another 4 years so they can then get a job where they have to be tutored to do the job is just another wasted step and more wasted money.
I put myself through school working several jobs and paid off my loans before I spent money on anything else.
It SUCKED. I did not enjoy it. I did, however, come out of it with a lot more sense and ability than my classmates.
Too many people out there are demanding a no accountability primary education where they walk out with a diploma most of them did not earn. Now they demand a free of charge,no accountability college degree. On top of that, they cry about running 200, 300 or 400 thousand dollars in debt to get a degree that will get them a job below poverty level.
Maybe this makes me an evil old man but I just can't respect a generation that looks at remedial classes in college as credit.
It's not credit. It's embarrassing and foolish to enable this mentality.
You want to go from 8th grade to college because kids are too stupid to do well in high school?
Is it me?
Am I just crazy or is this just the most twisted mentality I've heard in a long time?
Where are the adults?
What the hell happened to all of the adults?
originally posted by: SlapMonkey
a reply to: Nechash
Mental maturity has a lot to do with it, and I would argue that most individuals are not mature enough to know what they want to be before they're 18, let alone be working toward a masters degree or PHD. Hell, I'd bet that more than 1/3 of traditional college students, well into their early 20s, still don't truly know what they want to be--not to mention the poor adults who have been working 20 years in a field that they really despise, simply because they got a degree in it when they were 22 and didn't really know what they wanted to be.
We need to start promoting trade schools and apprenticeships again, along with a realistic expectation of what life at the age of 22 should be (cheap apartments, no iPhones, no cable, no Xboxes, no nights partying money away, bikes and public transportation in lieu of personal vehicles, etc.)--I think that would be a better solution than pushing (often-times unnecessary) college careers on children.
originally posted by: NoNameNeeded
Its sad imo, and it's not their fault either.