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The success of Mongol tactics hinged on fear: to induce capitulation amongst enemy populations. From the perspective of modern theories of international relations, Quester suggests that, "Perhaps terrorism produced a fear that immobilized and incapacitated the forces that would have resisted."[6] Although perceived as being bloodthirsty, the Mongol strategy of "surrender or die" still recognized that conquest by capitulation was more desirable than being forced to continually expend soldiers, food, and money to fight every army and sack every town and city along the campaign's route.
Thus whenever possible, by using the "promise" of wholesale execution for resistance, Mongol forces made efficient conquests, in turn allowing them to attack multiple targets and redirect soldiers and matériel where most needed.
Iraq is facing its gravest test since the US-led invasion more than a decade ago, after its army capitulated to Islamist insurgents who have seized four cities and pillaged military bases and banks, in a lightning campaign which seems poised to fuel a cross-border insurgency endangering the entire region.
ca·pit·u·la·tion
kəˌpiCHəˈlāSH(ə)n/
noun
the action of surrendering or ceasing to resist an opponent or demand.
"They have been defending themselves with great courage. But they are now very close to not being able to do so. They are fighting with normal weapons, whereas the ISIS has got tanks and mortars," Staffan de Mistura, the U.N. special envoy for Syria, said in a statement. "The international community needs to defend them. The international community cannot sustain another city falling under ISIS."
The Siege of Baghdad, which lasted from January 29 until February 10, 1258, entailed the investment, capture, and sacking of Baghdad, the capital of the Abbasid Caliphate, by Ilkhanate Mongol forces and allied troops. The Mongols were under the command of Hulagu Khan, brother of the khagan Möngke Khan, and had intended to further extend their rule into Mesopotamia but not to directly overthrow the Caliphate. Möngke, however, had instructed Hulagu to attack Baghdad if the Caliph Al-Musta'sim refused Mongol demands for his continued submission to the khagan and the payment of tribute in the form of military support for Mongol forces in Iran.
The Mongols executed Al-Musta'sim and massacred many residents of the city, which was left greatly depopulated.
when I was about 5 my dad told me that we were related to ghengis khan, from then on for many years I would have a repetitive nightmare that ghengis khan was chasing me on a giant combine harvester that was so wide I could only run forwards. Maybe that was a proffetic?. So bit off the subject slightly.. I think the violence and oppression in the middle has gone for so many generations it is in their genetic memory. Peace and lentils to all.
originally posted by: onequestion
I would like to examine similarities between the Mongols and the Islamic State.
wiki
The success of Mongol tactics hinged on fear: to induce capitulation amongst enemy populations. From the perspective of modern theories of international relations, Quester suggests that, "Perhaps terrorism produced a fear that immobilized and incapacitated the forces that would have resisted."[6] Although perceived as being bloodthirsty, the Mongol strategy of "surrender or die" still recognized that conquest by capitulation was more desirable than being forced to continually expend soldiers, food, and money to fight every army and sack every town and city along the campaign's route.
Key word capitulation.
Thus whenever possible, by using the "promise" of wholesale execution for resistance, Mongol forces made efficient conquests, in turn allowing them to attack multiple targets and redirect soldiers and matériel where most needed.
When I read this.... This comes to mind.
The Guardian
Iraq is facing its gravest test since the US-led invasion more than a decade ago, after its army capitulated to Islamist insurgents who have seized four cities and pillaged military bases and banks, in a lightning campaign which seems poised to fuel a cross-border insurgency endangering the entire region.
Here is one example while I look for others. Key word capitulation.
From Google.
ca·pit·u·la·tion
kəˌpiCHəˈlāSH(ə)n/
noun
the action of surrendering or ceasing to resist an opponent or demand.
Now I am interested in what happens in relation to the future of Bhagdad.
CNN
"They have been defending themselves with great courage. But they are now very close to not being able to do so. They are fighting with normal weapons, whereas the ISIS has got tanks and mortars," Staffan de Mistura, the U.N. special envoy for Syria, said in a statement. "The international community needs to defend them. The international community cannot sustain another city falling under ISIS."
Kobani now next Bagdad.
wiki
The Siege of Baghdad, which lasted from January 29 until February 10, 1258, entailed the investment, capture, and sacking of Baghdad, the capital of the Abbasid Caliphate, by Ilkhanate Mongol forces and allied troops. The Mongols were under the command of Hulagu Khan, brother of the khagan Möngke Khan, and had intended to further extend their rule into Mesopotamia but not to directly overthrow the Caliphate. Möngke, however, had instructed Hulagu to attack Baghdad if the Caliph Al-Musta'sim refused Mongol demands for his continued submission to the khagan and the payment of tribute in the form of military support for Mongol forces in Iran.
The Mongols executed Al-Musta'sim and massacred many residents of the city, which was left greatly depopulated.
If we see a similar situation happen now then will we pay closer attention to Nostradamus and other prophecy regarding the area?
originally posted by: khnum
a reply to: onequestion
I actually thought the same thing these are well organised individuals with a reasonable grip on strategy and tactics,the only thing stopping them taking Bagdhad is the question do they really want it,it would be a commitment of a large percentage of their force to do civil and popular administration in a city that size.
yes even water has memory and we are is it 75% water?
originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: Cloudbuster
I got a lot of flack for the genetic memory thread in regards to the Middle East agreeing with your sentiment.
Is idiotcy heritary ... is this the birth of the "backwards and stupid" age?
(P.S......where are the mods? Did they forget that the T&C forbids personal attacks? I would think implying others are "stupid" and "idiotic" falls within the definition of a personal attack.......meh,
meh, oh well, it is what it is.......Just SO sick of those who find it necessary polluting such a wonderful site where we can all express our "crazy" ideals and opinions)
The man is relaying some thoughts and opinions, why bash them?