The Matrix is Real

Mainstream science is slowly starting to accept the 'computer generated' theory using maths and such but what gets me is despite the obvious suggestion of a higher intelligence/mind/race whatever, is the arrogance of Man to assume that it can only be made by Man. Ok we don't have the technology to run this simulation right now so I guess... it must be us - but from the future....yeah that must be it!

The Sims is a great metaphor of this simulation but just for a minuet let's pretend that a character in The Sims became
self-aware and started to question its origin and reality of its simulated world. How ridiculous would it be for the Sim
to accept only the possibility that is must be a fellow Sim that created the world...but you know..from the future.

Science pretends to help us understand the world but in reality it keeps us trapped in the illusion more than anything.

originally posted by: GallopingFish
a reply to: zardust


Jung had a nice quote I liked however which I believe.

"Ideology is the true anti christ"

I dont wgree with that. Ideology is a means to acheive a better life understanding... Ideologies .. Sure.. But ideology? Not so sure.

a reply to: funkadeliaaaa

What he meant was that ideology was causing separation between the human collective. Eg muslims believe this, christians belive that, scientists think this and every groups ideology is conflicting to another group. So separation and judgement occurs.

Jung also said that the human psyche should be studied more for we are the true evil on this planet. So I think he had a few marbles in his head

originally posted by: GallopingFish
a reply to: funkadeliaaaa
Jung also said that the human psyche should be studied more for we are the true evil on this planet. So I think he had a few marbles in his head

perhaps youre right, and it was a bit harsh of me to call him a troll so i took that back and edited my post.

a reply to: GallopingFish

Well said! Its not one particular ideology per se, but the actual mechanism of it. Once you allow yourself to be enclosed in a belief structure, you automatically filter what is counter to it. It is by definition, limiting. So go so far as to react violently to protect or defend their ideology. This isn't about just religion but a multitude of things tied to just about everything: nationalism, religion, scientism, partisanship, gender identification (feminism and chauvinism are examples), ethnicity and race, social economics etc...

The simple process of labeling the external and internal and categorizing it, subjects it to what "is not". It becomes this or that, right or wrong, and them and us.

a reply to: Chewingonmushrooms

Exactly, you're on to it! The capacity to love is far greater with no judgements. Through this understanding and empathy can grow, like Hicks said "that would be a better ride"

originally posted by: GallopingFish
a reply to: Chewingonmushrooms

Exactly, you're on to it! The capacity to love is far greater with no judgements. Through this understanding and empathy can grow, like Hicks said "that would be a better ride"

Love is by far the greatest feeling. Though, I have to admit that on this planet there is very little of it.

a reply to: Chewingonmushrooms
I agree, as well!
Ideology = Belief System = Right & Wrong and Good & Bad and Better and Worse = Anyone that does not agree with me is wrong, and needs to amend their ways, or... ...or... ...be...dealt with...

The interesting side to that, though, is...how ideologies morph.
I spent 50 years in one ideology... Deeply rooted and vested in the same. In those 50 years, I never MET or HEARD two people that agreed entirely on anything (much less - everything).
AND - I have found the same outside the walls of that ideology...in/among ALL (*) other ideologies.
That is a large enough sampling to form a fairly solid "belief" that...no two human beings can/will agree entirely on anything.
The fact that we (in the USA and other first world nations, anyway) live/co-exist in a "civilized society"...is a subject for deep consideration...to anyone considering the premise of this thread.

In a very real sense,yes, it is. If you look at the way the fabric of a society is laid out, what is displayed is always different than what lies beneath the display.

a reply to: Beyond Creation

Science pretends to help us understand the world but in reality it keeps us trapped in the illusion more than anything.

I have to agree with this.

i'm just hoping i got an auto save at around 16 or 17 incase the system reboots i'll be sweeeet

Absolute Veritas........a reply to: LDragonFire

a reply to: randyvs

System of a Down! Nice lyrics. People get trapped in the dogma of science just as effectively as religion. I mean the amount of theories out there to explain stuff that is pedalled as fact is unreal.

Ideas are not bad, but its when that idea blocks all the other possibilities then it becomes a wall.

Quote I like

"I don't want you to THINK like me, I just want you to THINK"

a reply to: zardust

Zardust,
This will be even more long winded(and it's the short version!!) than you so I apologize and thank you in advance if your read all of it.

It's good to read someone disseminating the Truth and steering clear of the bottomless pits of religion…however Gnosticism is still just religion (Belief System) and has the same pitfalls and the added leaven of mysticism.I would prefer to read what you "know" than drawing on the mystic beliefs of religion.You hit on some key points and illuminated some meaningful Truth however they are still veiled in religion.

I know most of the following is not new to you I'm just clarifying......

The material/physical realm (the physical universe) is what David called the "valley" of the "shadow" of death(and LIFE).That is the veil/matrix.Everything that lives in the material realm WILL die including the universe.When a living thing dies in the material realm it enters(metaphor) the realm of death.That is part of the definition of Hades(wrongly translated as hell with the heinous doctrine attached to it).

Hades is also the realm of imperception.That is the "veil" that is over all of mankind because it is their nature.That religious nature is the amalgamation of all of a persons experiences that form "their" unique belief in faith of "their" Belief System religion".EVERYONE has this nature because it is inherent and can not be changed by themselves while living in the material realm.

The scriptures call it the "sin" nature.In Hebrew and Greek sin means missing or falling short of the mark (of maturity) which perfectly describes the Belief System religion nature which cause man to NOT "perceive" reality (Truth) because the truth can NOT be believed it can only be "known" and can only be "known" by revelation(unveiling) by the creator God.The unveiling has NOTHING to do with religion or mysticism or studying or a method of any kind.

The fact is man can NOT "experience" Truth because they "live" in the material realm(the valley of the shadow of death).They can have the Truth revealed to them however it is NEVER "by"belief .The Truth can only be "known" it can NOT be believed.That unveiling is not a state of being either.It is what Paul called the earnest(down payment temporary state) of the "Spirit"..(LIFE).It isn't some magical indwelling of the Holy Spirt most religion-religious(Christians) people believe.

The "matrix" is multi dimensional and inpercievable.In essence ….all of creation(including mankind) is in a matrix "womb" being conceived.Just as a person did not "cause" their "physical" conception and birth they cannot cause this "new" conception and birth.Mankind is in effect "asleep" in the womb dreaming of "life".It is not a "virtual" world that is not "real"(Truth) though..it is only a persons perception of it that is not Truth because this is the nature of the realm of imperception.

This material realm life in the valley of shadow of deaths only purpose is to live because ….that is the only possible thing to do.The length of that life is not what is significant because the perception of time is a false construct of the material realm.The fact is all of creation is in the matrix womb of the material realm being conceived and nothing but the foundational process can be known about it.It cannot be observed from the outside looking in.Nothing can be done to alter it or cause any of it because it is being "done" TO us not by us.

cont'd....

All we can "know" for sure is EVERYTHING will die and unless a seed dies it can't produce fruit and LIVE which is the dichotomy of life.This is the parable of the seed.The seed(Yahoshua) of the Father the creator God was sown into the soils.Only the good soil produced a good tree with good fruit that multiplied.First the seed must die to being a "seed" then resurrect into a plant.Then it produces good fruit(seed) that cause more plants and good fruit…and NO this is NOT re-incarnation.Re-incarnation is a death cycle.Resurrection is to LIFE in the Kingdom of the creator God …not death.

There is a 1st resurrection to Life out of the realm of death.Those in it don't experience the 2nd death which is the death of "imperception" a persons Belief System religion.Only the disciples were the chosen few(the first fruits of "the seed") of the many are called…(ALL of humanity) were in the 1st resurrection.Yahoshua said only THEY were given to "know the mystery of the Kingdom of God.The Father chose them OUT of the world while still IN it.

The great misconception by many is the new testimony scriptures(mostly what are called the gospels) were to EVERYONE who would believe.That isn't true.The vast majority of the time Yahoshua was ONLY speaking directly to the disciples.They alone had their BS religion destroyed at the gate of destruction and entered in the narrow path that "leads" to LIFE while in the material realm.Yahoshua said he was NOT of this world(realm) and neither were the disciples.

The many are called will be resurrected from the realm of death then be "cleansed" in the lake of fire which is the 2nd death (Yahoshua called it the eternal fire).That is the "gate" where their imperception(Hades) will be destroyed.The basis of this is testified to in the Revelation 21 and as you said is NOT doom porn it is the metaphor of the the salvation/deliverance of the creator God (Yahoshua) of all creation.Mankinds Belief System is the foundation of their nature and forms their character.Those that "believe" in a God through their Belief System are deceived by the imperception.The biggest dichotomy and dilemma of life.The creator God can NOT be "known" by belief.

Most of the religion-religious perceive life as a moral and ethic "play"where their God is critiquing their performance with approval or disapproval but ultimately letting them off the hook with a wrist slap and a hearty slap on the back for their superiority because they "believed" some doctrines and performed some pious religious acts that "their God" ultimately approved of.This earns them a place in their "heaven",nirvana etc etc.This is the plight of man to "believe their Belief System religion and Believe "IT IS " God.

Meanwhile the creator God is performing a completely different process by "bringing " all of creation to LIFE…to LIVE in the Kingdom of the creator God.THAT is the true beginning of LIFE.The life in the matrix womb of the material realm is a conception of life.As the bard said "All the worlds a stage ,and all the men and women are merely players".All of humanity is "playing" their part "acting" in life but it is more of a dress rehearsal and the play has not started yet and this time there will be no acting only "being"….

I believe we're living in a world controlled by some kind of simulation. As if something in a parallel reality is linked to this one and dictating it all. Today I was sitting on the park bench watching the ducks then PI popped into my mind like a message from no where then suddenly the ducks started swimming in patterns to create 3 ducks and 1 duck, then merged to create 4 ducks then another one swam up for 1 duck merging to create 5. 3.14159...

As if in this controlled reality something is messing with my mind and trying to show me how all life is being controlled. It could've been a coincidence I suppose. Think PI then the ducks create formations to mirror it.

I think when our minds change what we're doing suddenly then notice times like 1:11, 2:22, 2:34, 4:32 etc. it's something trying to hint to us that we're being manipulated like puppets.

Just some thoughts to try and explain weird stuff going on...

What can really rattle your brain is when you start seeing animals and insects and thinking to yourself God was a programmer and these animals are programmed within a certain framework. For instance, you code a "mob" in a game to act a certain way (nerd coming out), to "aggro" on sight, or not too. To hunt other "npcs". One scripted mob is agile, attentive, aloof, has killer instinct especially towards smaller "npcs", but runs away if larger mobs are around and hunts better at night (+5 sight, +5 stealth). Can you guess which mob I described? A cat . All animals have certain behaviors that are entirely unique (DNA scripted of course), almost like characters in a game (simulation). Humans are certainly no different, most are on auto-mode. You can even break it down to skills, strengths and weakness, talents (any D&D players here - strength, vitality, agility, charisma, intelligence etc..).

Now is this a case of life imitating art or the other way around? Point is if you look at life as a program and yourself as a programmer you are going to ask yourself how can I script this(imitate it in digital form) into a virtual gaming world. Would it be that difficult to do it? Any observation of any next gen game will show that the answer is, apparently not. We already know that the universe is most likely holographic in nature and hence an illusion. The last GTA for instance was crazy, and the world operated on it's own regardless whether you interacted with it or not.

So my guess is that this is a simulation, although I am not sure if it is done metaphysically (as in creator and spirit world) or in a technological sense (advanced intelligence, inter-dimensional). But my feeling is if it is metaphysical then we are a part of the essence of the creator, similar to how the character dies (how many times you died in super mario) but the player of the character does not.

a reply to: Rex282

Fascinating stuff indeed, thank you for sharing that.

I don't want this to be the thread killer but it's important to use the word 'matrix' and to know the etymology of it. So I'll post this etymology in another matrix thread... maybe I am programmed to do it? Who knows.

matrix (n.) Look up matrix at Dictionary.com
late 14c., "uterus, womb," from Old French matrice "womb, uterus," from Latin matrix (genitive matricis) "pregnant animal," in Late Latin "womb," also "source, origin," from mater (genitive matris) "mother" (see mother (n.1)). Sense of "place or medium where something is developed" is first recorded 1550s; sense of "embedding or enclosing mass" first recorded 1640s. Logical sense of "array of possible combinations of truth-values" is attested from 1914. As a verb from 1951. Source www.etymonline.com...

I was also wondering if other people are using other definitions of 'matrix' because I would like to know your definitions of it.

Edit to Add video of a famous etymologist,

originally posted by: GallopingFish
a reply to: funkadeliaaaa



What he meant was that ideology was causing separation between the human collective. Eg muslims believe this, christians belive that, scientists think this and every groups ideology is conflicting to another group. So separation and judgement occurs.



Jung also said that the human psyche should be studied more for we are the true evil on this planet. So I think he had a few marbles in his head

To say the last statement is only partially correct. We are not only the evil ,we are the not evil, we are the ignorant, we change our mind, we are influenced by others and we are influenced by our Environment.
The thought process of making a decision, not making a decision, ignorant nuetral, a changed decision, a controlled decision by a second party or parties and an uncontrolled decision by chance role the dice. All are your outcomes. My opinion: We are all of these, each of us choose a path of decision thought. THUS A separation occurs and what you do makes up of what you are.