Nazi America has risen

Where is your disgust for the terrorists who behead unarmed civillians and blow up others with suicide bombs. These guys are killing their own people!!

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
I understand a Nazi to be a government trained and drafted killing machine that kills anyone, but his own kind, indescriminately.

So atilla the hun was a national socialist? The Red Chinese are nationalists? Thats a poor, naive, silly and meaningless definition of 'nazi'. By that definition the Allies in WWII were nazis. Hell by that definition the soviets were nazis.

National Socialism] An adherent or advocate of policies characteristic of Nazism; a fascist.

Nazism is generally a -sort- of facism, sure.

[Fascism]
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

Of the facist regimes, only the german fascists were racist. Mussolini was supposedly said to have remarked that he was wary of hitler becuase he was a bigoted racist. And if your only saying that nazis are fascists, then why not refer to the troops as Fascists, rather than the obfuscating 'nazi'? Makes as much sense as calling them perronists or Falangists or Franco-ists or any other group subsumed within Fascism.

Then, considering the undeniable parallels between Nazi Germany and the current brutal American regime. The use of the word Nazi is justified and also apt.

What parallels?
There is actually a book called 'Ominous Parallels' that looks at the actual parralells between the immeadiately pre-nazi takeover germany and modern america, but since you 'beleive what oyu know and know what you beleive' it probably wouldn't be much use to you.

Further, neither I, or he, has mislabeled genocide.

Genocide is the attempted eradication of a people/nationality. Genocide is not occuring in iraq, neither de facto or by plan. None of what this sergeant talks about is genocide.

if you are against Bush, then why do you support him with inaction?

You think that calling american and other soliders nazis in a web forum is action? Oh yeah, you're a reall badas nazi hunter you are.

12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in blood and treasure, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

Here is something that the US and especially the friends of the president need to take notice of. Something Nazi that desperately needs to be implemented in the US. Maybe it would PREVENT FUTURE WARS.

A little history update, folks. You are so focused on details you don't see the picture. Volksgeist, ("Peoples Spirit?") you have posted the excuses, not the reasons. This was their BS to create the support they needed.

The nazis, and under their rule the whole of Germany, was figting to establish "Das Dritte Reich", or in american: Total Global Domination - they wanted to be a Superpower! Does this ring a bell?

And in regard to your soldiers in Iraq: In the warcrime tribunal after the WWII, the US prosecuter in Nuremberg made it international law that following orders is no excuse for war crimes. Everyone is personally responsible for everything he/she does!

This is the mess Dubya & Co has put you fellow americans in. And for what?

War sucks, people die? When the war is in your backyard, and it's coming God Willing, I will have to do everything to keep myself from enjoying it.

Everyone gets what they deserve, and if you think that just because the people who are dying aren't you that it doesn't matter, then you will find the same situation on your doorstep. And hopefully it's way more brutal than the destruction you casually dismiss while it happens to others.

Whether you believe in the All-Mighty, or karma, or nothing, our planet has an amazing way of being in balance, and your arrogance will be balanced with humiliation, God Willing. And it can't happen soon enough.

Enjoy justice.

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I am with mrreg. FOLLOWING ORDERS CANNOT BE USED AS AN EXCUSE!! Remember that many of the men and women fighting in Iraq are NOT PROFESSIONAL SOLDIERS. They are part time citizen soldiers that we call NATIONAL GUARD, or Army reserves. These folks probably NEVER thought they would be required to go to war when they enlisted for a few benefits and some extra cash to help out the family.

Originally posted by cstyle226Enjoy justice.

Isnt our entire Army and Air force being wiped out by a hand full of inrurgents in Faullja enough for you

What more do you want

But if the war does come here feel free to join the other side

[edit on 8-12-2004 by Amuk]

Originally posted by mrreg

A little history update, folks. You are so focused on details you don't see the picture. Volksgeist, ("Peoples Spirit?") you have posted the excuses, not the reasons. This was their BS to create the support they needed.

The nazis, and under their rule the whole of Germany, was figting to establish "Das Dritte Reich", or in american: Total Global Domination - they wanted to be a Superpower! Does this ring a bell?

And in regard to your soldiers in Iraq: In the warcrime tribunal after the WWII, the US prosecuter in Nuremberg made it international law that following orders is no excuse for war crimes. Everyone is personally responsible for everything he/she does!

This is the mess Dubya & Co has put you fellow americans in. And for what?

And who's BS would you like me to use? yours?

When the term National Socialism is used you are explicitly talking of ideology. I was simply talking in terms of ideology. And it is legitmate to use party propaganda, especially early (1920) nazi propaganda, as it was less obscured by political opportunism, and even more legitimate as National Socialism did not change it's stance very often, even if it had to go against the nationalists (Tyrol). And i assume that most Nazi members adhered to the party principles set down in the 25points, or were they given secret information, their "real ideology"? So in terms of Nazi ideology could you point out why the US is National Socialist how is it implemented

As for your "global domination", could you please explain how this proves the US is National Socialist. My understanding of history is that there have been many powers who have attempted to dominate the world. Empire's that have attempted to cement their place. Nations that have attempted to profit off imperialism. Or am i wrong, and these are solely National Socialist. And because the US is empirical and imperialistic, it is therefore National Socialist



[edit on 8-12-2004 by Volksgeist]

Originally posted by Amuk

Originally posted by cstyle226Enjoy justice.

Isnt our entire Army and Air force being wiped out by a hand full of inrurgents in Faullja enough for you

What more do you want

But if the war does come here feel free to join the other side

[edit on 8-12-2004 by Amuk]

I don't think the entire army is being wiped out as the entire army isn't even there, though, they have taken heavy casualties. OUr AF? You are kidding right? What are they going to hit our AF with? Rocks?

Originally posted by groingrinder
We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

Why should it be illegal for a company to produce a product and sell it to the military?

cstyle226
our planet has an amazing way of being in balance, and your arrogance will be balanced with humiliation, God Willing

Looks like if god's willing anything its that the resistancebe crushed.
And I am sure that the world is just trembling before your wrath. Whats your 'backyard' by the way? The war is there or something?

groingrinder
These folks probably NEVER thought they would be required to go to war when they enlisted for a few benefits and some extra cash to help out the family.

I agree that if they are being told to fire into a peaceful crowd then they are guilty of a crime, but this last bit does not follow. They joined the National Guard, the Military. If they didn't think that they'd have to serve, then, honestly, they're idiots and its not the US government's fault that they thought that. They shouldn't be allowed to enlist, get pay, get benefits, go to university, and then not have to hold up their end of the bargain. They should at least be required to pay it all back if they're going to try something stupid like that.

There are bad apple soldiers in every army, and in every war. This has been, and always will be.

However, to ascribe the actions of those bad apples as indicative of the whole group, is a gross misjustice to those who didn't participate in, nor were even aware of, said actions...

Originally posted by Frosty
I don't think the entire army is being wiped out as the entire army isn't even there, though, they have taken heavy casualties. OUr AF? You are kidding right? What are they going to hit our AF with? Rocks?

I was just reminding our little holy warrior of his posts claiming entire battalions were being wiped out in faullja along with 60+ tanks 16 Jets and don't let us forget the Chinook "airplane"

He is an avid reader of Jahidunspun and the fairy tales therein

actually the casualties are very light compared to most other wars

[edit on 8-12-2004 by Amuk]

Originally posted by Amuk
He is an avid reader of Jahidunspun and the fairy tales therein

WAIT! Breaking news...

There are massive crimes being committed by the Americans!
That is all I can say at this time.

Originally posted by Volksgeist
As for your "global domination", could you please explain how this proves the US is National Socialist.

Technically a nationalist wouldn't want global domination. In theory anyway, all hitler wanted was a pan-germanic empire with under-men in the perhiperhy used as slav labour. So germans, dutch, french, austrians, etc woudl be full citizens while slavs, rus, pols, huns and mongrelized britons would be second-class citizens, while gypsys, jews, and the 'real' under-men are simply exterminated. Anyway its not so certian that the Nazis wanted Global Domination, they just wanted European domination. THey wanted to make a united ethnic german state. Althought, hitler supposedly did have major plans for an american war, since capitalism is just as dangerous to fascism as communism.

My understanding of history is that there have been many powers who have attempted to dominate the world. Empire's that have attempted to cement their place. Nations that have attempted to profit off imperialism. Or am i wrong, and these are solely National Socialist. And because the US is empirical and imperialistic, it is therefore National Socialist

Not sure if that was a mistype, but if you did mean 'emprical' (as opposed to imperial) then I'd have to disagree. The nazis, and also the general mood of weimar german society, was in many ways anti-empirical, anti-rational, and pro-subjectivity. This is one of the ways in which the nazis were able to appeal to them, and how they gained some of their power.

And who's BS would you like me to use? yours?

The National Socialism ideologi is the bull#. Das Dritte Reich was the reality.


As for your "global domination", could you please explain how this proves the US is National Socialist. My understanding of history is that there have been many powers who have attempted to dominate the world. Empire's that have attempted to cement their place. Nations that have attempted to profit off imperialism. Or am i wrong, and these are solely National Socialist. And because the US is empirical and imperialistic, it is therefore National Socialist



You are mixing the excuses and the reasons. The Nazis started WWII to conquer the world, not to spread the ideology of national sosialism. That is only a propaganda label used to cover for something else. And it is this "something else" that has an uncanny familiar feeling to it.....

Your dollar is in terrible shape, your own CIA says you are losing the war, and your security is in shambles. Add it up...

Originally posted by Frosty
You are kidding right? What are they going to hit our AF with? Rocks?

Ummm, no...he is not kidding unless your definition of "rocks" is rocket-propelled grenades and small arms fire which have taken down more than a few helicopters.

Originally posted by Frosty
You are kidding right? What are they going to hit our AF with? Rocks?

Sweet, sweet arrogance. Don't ever change.

[edit on 8-12-2004 by cstyle226]

Originally posted by cstyle226
Your dollar is in terrible shape, your own CIA says you are losing the war, and your security is in shambles. Add it up...

Right!

I would rather ban women from all education and if they break that rule...shoot them in public arenas. Hmmmm, maybe make some prisons for children, attack Canada just for fun, and start religeous cleansing of the country.

I certainly respect those ideals.

Ok, not really...

Something people never seem to take into account here are the percentages. If you consider the massive quantity of soldiers in Iraq vs. the reported incidents its astronomically small.

I understand that not all instances are accounted for, but a lot are. With omnipotent and instantaneous media coverage not much escapes exposure these days.

Now I can only guess, but lets say there are 30 soldiers just like this one that have a story of this nature to tell to the mass media (there haven�t been anywhere near that many so far). Heck, lets say a 100�HOW ABOUT A 1000!!! With stories of instances like this.

That�s not even three quarters of one percent of the forces that are there right now. That�s it. Its barely a measurable. That�s about 1 out of every 1500 soldiers have a story like this based on my assumptions.

You tell me something: How many people of the general public are a little twisted or �off� a bit? 1 out of 50? How about 1 out of 100? Heck, I have at least 5 people I know personally that are questionable or out right nuts. Well, we have a force that has a percentage of troops FAR less than 1% that have some questionable issue�s in Iraq right now. Id almost go as far as saying that�s COMMENDABLE!!!!!

I think maybe some commanders may be up for accommodations with a statistic that impressive, let alone a mass media execution like they are getting.

Bottom line: Taking into account the sheer volume of troops on the ground in a EXTREMELY hostile environment, the amount of �questionable� situations like this is better than expected, if not out right commendable.

Yes, it�s a horrible thing. There is no silver lining with situations like this. But its happening, it�s the way it is and I think the troops are doing a fantastic job taking all this into account.