Nazi America has risen

You want Islamic terror to stop? Stop American terror.

Wonder why there is no FATWA on anyone else besides the US? Of course you don't. Your answer would probably be, "They are attacking us because we are the only ones who do anything." or something of that nature.

Fine, keep wasting your tax money on nothing. Keep letting your troops bleed. Keep giving more recruiting material for the extremists. And then be happy when 9/11 the sequel happens, and you get to reap the fruits of your labor.

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Originally posted by Indigo_Child
I am no longer going to be polically correct for the sake of some sheeple who want to place their "heroes" on a pedestal. The evidence has been piling up for a long time, and this is the final straw. If you can call Iraqi's terrorists, or even muslims terrorists. I should be able to call a Nazi a Nazi.


[edit on 8-12-2004 by Indigo_Child]

Yes, yes, yes. Anyone with a half of brain can tell you as much. My question is, am I a "Indigo_Child" ? ha ha. Could I have been one of the first Indigo_Children?

America will never be destroyed by terrorists...and that isn't really their goal...it's a dream, but not a goal.

Al they have to do is continue to let you outspend yourselves in defending against a hidden enemy, and your war profiteering corporations seem more than happy to exchange missiles and tanks for tax money. Keep spending on security until China and the whole Southeast Asian countries own you.

And then Europe, China, and India can fly right past you in terms of economic power. Then they can spend their wealth on weapons and gain more power, and then America isn't in charge anymore.

Then it's just America and Israel sitting in a corner, waving a plastic sword.

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Originally posted by mrreg


And who's BS would you like me to use?

yours?

The National Socialism ideologi is the bull#. Das Dritte Reich was the reality.


As for your "global domination", could you please explain how this proves the US is National Socialist. My understanding of history is that there have been many powers who have attempted to dominate the world. Empire's that have attempted to cement their place. Nations that have attempted to profit off imperialism. Or am i wrong, and these are solely National Socialist. And because the US is empirical and imperialistic, it is therefore National Socialist

You are mixing the excuses and the reasons. The Nazis started WWII to conquer the world, not to spread the ideology of national sosialism. That is only a propaganda label used to cover for something else. And it is this "something else" that has an uncanny familiar feeling to it.....

You are mistaken in believing that National Socialism was purely the ideology of world domination. European domination was on the agenda of many top Nazi officials, but to say this was National Socialism is to mix "excuses with reasons"(WTF). But I would like to know where you got your theory on world domination from... do you imply that Europe, North Africa and the Middle East constitute the world do you know that the AfrikaKorps was not involved in those regions outside of Europe for the sake of conquest, but to aid their European campaign Adolf Hitler often stated that overseas empire were not preferable as the people are cut off from the fatherland, and often begin to lose their love for it. That was the idea behind extending the Greater German Reich, Lebensraum. As for Occupied Europe.... the Nazis were intent on splitting European nations further, usually along historical or racial lines, thus cementing their supreme European hegemony.

do you have top secret information from lizard people on what this "something else" is?

"You want Islamic terror to stop? Stop American terror.

Wonder why there is no FATWA on anyone else besides the US?"

That's one of the most dellusional things i have ever heard in my entire life on this board. Russia, France, Spain, the Netherlands, the Phillipines, Taiwan, Yugoslavia, ex-Soviet satellites, and Great Britain might disagree with you.


Really, nice try though.

Listen here you .... I have family over there ... a good man who has a wife and a new baby daughter. WHO HAPPENS TO BE PROTECTING YOUR RIGHT TO SAY ALL THIS CRAP!!!
IT'S CALLED FREE SPEECH A RIGHT PROTECT BY THE OCNSTITUTION WHICH IS PROTECTED BY THE MEN YOU ARE CALLING NAZI'S!!!

WHY DON'T YOU TAKE THE TIME TO BE GRATEFUL TO THESE MEN AND WOMEN WHO ARE PROTECTING YOUR RIGHTS???

I don't see you suited up, serving your country, and protecting these rights!! When you becaome a real man. stand up, and protect your rights to say this BS ... then we will listen!!!!
*Z*

Indigo,

Let me bore you with a little history:
Our national priority should be fighting an economic war. Spinoza 101, all wars are caused by economic needs. We should be using a bio mass fuel blend by now and operating a closed loop nuclear power system. One that recyles fuel at 3% waste instead of 100. This was nearly completed when the program was scraped at a cost of 2.8 Billion dollars by Pres. Carter.
Under president Jimmy "why fight for it if you can give it away" Carter the US military lost to a senteenth rate nation in a war game. The reason we lost was lack of supply line endurance. The offending nation was Iraq.
Home grown terrorist of the 80's succeeded in downing commercial air craft and were about to get paid up to $230 million for their efforts. These groups were financed by Arabs. To stop them the Fed.s refussed to buy the shoulder fired missles off the market. They favored waiting and watching. While making news reports about "wind shear" It came to the day that we had to incinerate the terrorist along with their kids. But this act kept terrorism out of the US for the next nine years.
If a problem is ignored it takes more effort to correct it. If a weed grows, it is easy to pluck when first seen but if it intaggels itself around fruit bearing plants than there is a greater cost to remove the weed.
The news tells us quite truthfully that "at the time of invasion no WMD existed in Iraq". This is because the 270 gallons of fungal agent was removed via gas tanker trucks prior to invasion. That is enough to fumigate the states of Floridan and Alabama combined.
Intellegence reported prior to 911 a 747 was at Baghdad airport and used to train groups of 4 and 5 mostly Arabs in taking over a plane using short knives.
Unfortunately since this information was gathered by use of torure it is still under wraps.
I've been to Iraq. Yes it is a Fuster Cluck. Yes our kids are fed Larium that lowers the kill thresh hold. Yes everyone with an IQ over I owe you one looks at the building roofs and fences looking for snipers. Yes children get blown away because the enemy plants explosives on them. Keep in mind the terrorist blow away a far larger number of children. Yes American business men are teaching the art of corruption and greed unparallelled in history. In a perfect would it would be different.
But at present if we lose the footing and supply line by leaving than we will be out the expense again when we must deal with Iran. You remember the country that Carter allowed to be taken over by extremist. The country working on missiles that reach over 5,000 Klicks. The country who is sending the terrorists over to Iraq now.
What I find so hard to understand is how the World Trade Center was not looked at clearly. We know the terrorist were interested in altemeter readings and we know they only expected to take out five floors of each tower. What is at each building at that elevation? A check issueing company. Could the attack have been helped from with-in our own political structure? Looks like someone had the "laundry" taken out to me.
I am always willing to learn more.
My point is we need to not pull support from the Iraq front so much as force an investigation into corrupt politicians here at home. Let's see the money trails involved. Lets see why the Sainted Senator Kennedy worked so hard at stopping production of the A10 Warthog. Lets all force a look at the money trails prior to and after 911 of every corrupt form including Kiddy Porn and lets see where that 147 million dollars a year that Teddy does not report to the IRS comes from. He does report the other 9 million that he gets from the family trust.
But lets all stay together and focused cause if we act like sheep we shall surely be sheared, f*^% #@ and butchered.
I'll keep my replys shorter from now on, Sorry all.

Originally posted by goregrinder
"You want Islamic terror to stop? Stop American terror.

Wonder why there is no FATWA on anyone else besides the US?"

That's one of the most dellusional things i have ever heard in my entire life on this board. Russia, France, Spain, the Netherlands, the Phillipines, Taiwan, Yugoslavia, ex-Soviet satellites, and Great Britain might disagree with you.

Really, nice try though.

All those other places don't have Fatwa issued against them. But in all of those cases, the "terrorism" is a response to local oppression.

Spain and GB helped the US in the murder fest, so they can expect to be grouped in the, "If you help a terrorist(US) you are just as bad as the terrorist(US)."

nice list. some of it actually sounds good. go figure.

Originally posted by Volksgeist

Americans hardly adhere fully to the principles of National Socialism could you please go through and explain how National Socialism is implemented in the US

Here's a list:


THE PROGRAM OF THE N.S.D.A.P. : The 25 Points
The program of the NSDAP is a time program. Our leaders have pledged not to set new goals after achievement of the goals enumerated in this program, merely to continue our party through artificially increased dissatisfaction of the masses.

it is a 'time program' which continues through 'ARTIFICIALLY increased dissatisfaction' of the masses. i'd say the US populace is pretty dissatisfied, now. i'd say this dissatisfaction has been on the rise since kennedy.

Originally posted by Volksgeist1. We demand the union of all Germans in a Great Germany on the basis of the principle of self- determination of all peoples.

they're off to a good start here. 'all germans' and the principle of self-determination of 'all peoples'. this is similiar to the idea of 'liberty and justice for all' vs. 'the patriot act'. both are oxymoronic doublethink.

Originally posted by Volksgeist2. We demand that the German people have rights equal to those of other nations; and that the Peace Treaties of Versailles and St. Germain shall be abrogated.

get rid of those peace treaties, or in the states' case, the geneva convention and the exemption for the US from persecution for war crimes.

Originally posted by Volksgeist3. We demand land and territory (colonies) for the maintenance of our people and the settlement of our surplus population.

we demand oil for the settlement of our surplus horsepower.

Originally posted by Volksgeist4. Only those who are our fellow countrymen can become citizens. Only those who have German blood, regardless of creed, can be our countrymen. Hence no Jew can be a countryman.

being a countrymen does not guarantee citizenship. the patriot act takes care of this one, too. hence, no one merely accused of being or abetting 'terrorists' can be a citizen.

Originally posted by Volksgeist5. Those who are not citizens must live in Germany as foreigners and must be subject to the law of aliens.

the parallels aren't one hundred percent, because, after all, this was all written in an ancient country with centuries of racial hatred INBRED into it. however, in the still youngish USA, there is now(soon) a policy of fingerprinting all visitors. all visitors to the USA are treated like CRIMINALS, folks. that's right!

Originally posted by Volksgeist6. The right to choose the government and determine the laws of the State shall belong only to citizens. We therefore demand that no public office, of whatever nature, whether in the central government, the province, or the municipality, shall be held by anyone who is not a citizen.
We wage war against the corrupt parliamentary administration whereby men are appointed to posts by favor of the party without regard to character and fitness.

interestingly, in the days of multinational corporations, those earth-enveloping octopii LITERALLY sucking the life out of the planet, this one is obsolete. however, the last part sounds like the current administration. so, the 'time program' still has time to play out. anyone who understands that 'hegelian dialectic' is another way of saying 'problem, reaction, solution' as opposed to 'aristotlian dialectic', which is merely the consideration of both sides of an argument, will understand that there is a great mass of people greatly peed off at the trampling of the constitution and the embeddedness of corporations and government(i.e. enron, kenny boy and georgy up in a tree, k-i-l-l-i-n-g).

Originally posted by Volksgeist7. We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood. If it should not be possible to feed the whole population, then aliens (non- citizens) must be expelled from the Reich.

in time.

Originally posted by Volksgeist8. Any further immigration of non-Germans must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who have entered Germany since August 2, 1914, shall be compelled to leave the Reich immediately.

sounds more than a little like the current xenophobia growing in amerika. (as propped up by the illuminati press)

Originally posted by Volksgeist9. All citizens must possess equal rights and duties.

one part rights, one part duties? sounds like the neo con propogandists here at ATS.

Originally posted by Volksgeist10. The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. No individual shall do any work that offends against the interest of the community to the benefit of all.
Therefore we demand:
11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.

there goes the stock market. this won't happen until the 'artificially increased' poverty of the once proud USA.
it's coming. you can go watch the dollar fall right now, if you'd like.

Originally posted by Volksgeist12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in blood and treasure, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

new labels now. 'restructuring', 'rebuilding', 'compensation', etc.
all words to whitewash blind theft.

Originally posted by Volksgeist13. We demand the nationalization of all trusts.

privitization and nationalisation are in effect the same thing in today's enviroment of megacorporations.

Originally posted by Volksgeist14. We demand profit-sharing in large industries.

not this time around, wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

Originally posted by Volksgeist15. We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.

we demand dubya stop spending everybody's pension on his imperialistic wars.

Originally posted by Volksgeist16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalization of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small trades people, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.

once again, the multinational corporation changes the playing field. only the labels have been changed, though. you still have an army of 'bots' running the program of 'sacrifice self for the community/company'.

Originally posted by Volksgeist17. We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.

coming, in the name of 'national security', that wonderful blanket that allows the government to bypass all moral considerations and individual and collective rights. once they heat up the battle for terrorism, they will be taking whatever they want, from whomever they want to take it from.

Originally posted by Volksgeist18. We demand that ruthless war be waged against those who work to the injury of the common welfare. Traitors, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished with death, regardless of creed or race.

read 'liberals' will punished to death. in germany, 'capitalists' were the enemy. in america, it's 'socialists'. the effect is the same, ...polarisation.

Originally posted by Volksgeist19. We demand that Roman law, which serves a materialist ordering of the world, be replaced by German common law.

or, in other words, 'we will take all the money, and you will do whatever we 'demand''.

Originally posted by Volksgeist20. In order to make it possible for every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education, and thus the opportunity to reach into positions of leadership, the State must assume the responsibility of organizing thoroughly the entire cultural system of the people. The curricula of all educational establishments shall be adapted to practical life. The conception of the State Idea (science of citizenship) must be taught in the schools from the very beginning. We demand that specially talented children of poor parents, whatever their station or occupation, be educated at the expense of the State.

the current actual education that is running through america, 'conspiracy theory' as labelled by the controllers, is being turned into 'thought crime'. the institutionlised dumbing down and demoralisation of the student body of america is the opposite of the programming done by the germans, however, once again the effect is similiar. people believe because they were 'educated' to believe, in nazi germany, people believe because they lack the skills to do their own research, or they're too lazy to do anything but suck up the tripe of the illuminati controlled mainstream media.

Originally posted by Volksgeist21. The State has the duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing maternity welfare centers, by prohibiting juvenile labor, by increasing physical fitness through the introduction of compulsory games and gymnastics, and by the greatest possible encouragement of associations concerned with the physical education of the young.

this tool ain't in the box. matbe later. certainly some system of ensnaring the hearts and minds of youth will be put into place. already, there is MTV, which can steer kids into many things.
PROMOTE THE GENERATION GAP is one of the big messages of america since world war two.

Originally posted by Volksgeist22. We demand the abolition of the regular army and the creation of a national (folk) army.

not applicable.

Originally posted by Volksgeist23. We demand that there be a legal campaign against those who propagate deliberate political lies and disseminate them through the press. In order to make possible the creation of a German press, we demand:
(a) All editors and their assistants on newspapers published in the German language shall be German citizens.
(b) Non-German newspapers shall only be published with the express permission of the State. They must not be published in the German language.
(c) All financial interests in or in any way affecting German newspapers shall be forbidden to non- Germans by law, and we demand that the punishment for transgressing this law be the immediate suppression of the newspaper and the expulsion of the non-Germans from the Reich.
Newspapers transgressing against the common welfare shall be suppressed. We demand legal action against those tendencies in art and literature that have a disruptive influence upon the life of our folk, and that any organizations that offend against the foregoing demands shall be dissolved.

what we know of this, is that germnany used these tenets to effect total lockdown of media, which is something that the states did long ago.
once again, some of this stuff is coming. wait for it. remember, however, that in bizzaro world, 'lies' means 'truth'. in today's current enviroment of corporation pyramid structure, controlling the 'truth' becomes child's play.

Originally posted by Volksgeist24. We demand freedom for all religious faiths in the state, insofar as they do not endanger its existence or offend the moral and ethical sense of the Germanic race.
The party as such represents the point of view of a positive Christianity without binding itself to any one particular confession. It fights against the Jewish materialist spirit within and without, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our folk can only come about from within on the principle:

you just GOTTA see the parallels, here.

Originally posted by VolksgeistCOMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD

25. In order to carry out this program we demand: the creation of a strong central authority in the
State, the unconditional authority by the political central parliament of the whole State and all its organizations.
The formation of professional committees and of committees representing the several estates of the realm, to ensure that the laws promulgated by the central authority shall be carried out by the federal states.
The leaders of the party undertake to promote the execution of the foregoing points at all costs, if necessary at the sacrifice of their own lives.

sounds like bush to me.

Originally posted by Volksgeist
Munich, 24 February 1920

it took twenty years for the nazis to take over. in america, it's taken forty, so far, but they're almost there. just a little bit more apathy and reactionary sentiment and the gossestepping may COMMENCE!

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
A definition of Nazi is:

Often nazi An adherent or advocate of policies characteristic of Nazism; a fascist.

A definiton if facism is:

A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

Then, considering the undeniable parallels between Nazi Germany and the current brutal American regime. The use of the word Nazi is justified and also apt.

[edit on 8-12-2004 by Indigo_Child]

i agree. the common usage of 'nazi' now is not national socialist, but rather extremely cruel monsters bent on making the world their oyster. i'm sure a lot of people in germany initially though the nazi party was a good thing. of course, they didn't see the 'hidden ground'. this is the same mistake that most americans are making, now. it's fascism for sure. not literally 'nazi', but too close enough for comfort, and certainly 'nazi' in the more colloquial use of the term(ie. fanatical blind obedience to the state in the name of conquest and 'superiority', and blind willful ignore-ance of state atrocities).

Originally posted by Volksgeist

As for your "global domination", could you please explain how this proves the US is National Sociccupied Europe.... the Nazis were intent on splitting European nations further, usually along historical or racial lines, thus cementing their supreme European hegemony.

Let us look at two posts in: THE PROGRAM OF THE N.S.D.A.P. : The 25 Points

"3. We demand land and territory (colonies) for the maintenance of our people and the settlement of our surplus population.

19. We demand that Roman law, which serves a materialist ordering of the world, be replaced by German common law."

Now, who should rule these colonies and under wich law? And the colonies had to be outside Europe? We are talking about world domination, not ownership.

do you have top secret information from lizard people on what this "something else" is?

No, I don't like lizards. But look at the last point in the same document and see if you can find a similarity in development:

"25. In order to carry out this program we demand: the creation of a strong central authority in the State, the unconditional authority by the political central parliament of the whole State and all its organizations.

The formation of professional committees and of committees representing the several estates of the realm, to ensure that the laws promulgated by the central authority shall be carried out by the federal states.

The leaders of the party undertake to promote the execution of the foregoing points at all costs, if necessary at the sacrifice of their own lives."

Originally posted by mrreg

Let us look at two posts in: THE PROGRAM OF THE N.S.D.A.P. : The 25 Points

"3. We demand land and territory (colonies) for the maintenance of our people and the settlement of our surplus population.

19. We demand that Roman law, which serves a materialist ordering of the world, be replaced by German common law."

Now, who should rule these colonies and under wich law? And the colonies had to be outside Europe? We are talking about world domination, not ownership.

I recommend you have a cold hard look at history. The National Socialists, like many German Nationalist parties (usually fringe parties) meant by colonies Eastern Europe . I thought most people knew this At most the National Socialists demanded that the overseas possesions they had lost due to the Treaty of Versailles be given back. How many Germans were given land in France, as compared to Eastern Europe Point Proven

Idea of 'Lebensraum'

Between 1921 and 1925 Adolf Hitler developed the belief that Germany required Lebensraum ('living space') in order to survive. The conviction that this living space could be gained only in the east, and specifically from Russia, formed the core of this idea, and shaped his policy after his take-over of power in Germany in 1933. So where did he get this idea from? And why did he envisage his country's future living space lying in the east?

The term Lebensraum was coined by the German geographer, Friedrich Ratzel (1844-1904). During the last two decades of the 19th century, Ratzel developed a theory according to which the development of all species, including humans, is primarily determined by their adaptation to geographic circumstances.

Above all, Ratzel considered species migration as the crucial factor in social adaptation and cultural change. Species that successfully adapted to one location, he thought, would spread naturally to others. Indeed, he went on to argue that, in order to remain healthy, species must continually expand the amount of space they occupy, for migration is a natural feature of all species, an expression of their need for living space.

This process also applied to humans, who operate collectively in the form of 'peoples' (V�lker), with one V�lk effectively conquering another. However, according to Ratzel, such expansion could be successful only if the conquering nation 'colonised' the new territory, and by 'colonisation' he meant the establishment of peasant farms by the new occupiers.

www.bbc.co.uk...

"The Nazi's wanted Global Domination, so does the US then the US must be National Socialist".

So far the whole basis for the accusations that the US is National Socialist has been this whole "global Domination" line. You unblinkingly suggest that Global Domination has been a tenet of Natonal Socialism only

Here's a quick skim through history:

Roman Empire- able to conquer most of the "known world"
Alexander the Great- able to conquer a large portion of the 'known world'
Genghis Khan- able to conquer a large portion of the 'known world'
Napoleon Bonaparte- able to conquer much of the world (Europe atleast)
Bolsheviks- envisioned their success as the first step to socialism conquering the world
etc.

There are also the theories that 'secret societies' plan to dominate the world, or indeed do.

So your false accusation that because the US dominates the globe it is therefore National Socialist is plainly wrong. That is not to say that the US does not plan to dominate the world.... only that it is not National Socialist, although it is possible that it could become something similar. That said, there are a lot of possibilities...

The reactive defensiveness of many who have posted on this thread is witness to your recognition of the very large kernel of truth in what Indigo said.

FlyersFan said

It's Old Europe and the U.N. who left the Iraqis to be mass murdered by the hundreds of thousands, etc.

I must have been sleeping the whole past decade and more. I thought that was GHW Bush, Dubya’s father, when he left Iraq in 1991 without doing the job that was within a stone’s throw to accomplish. That was part of the long term plan I suppose.

TrueAmerican says:

You know Indigo, it is one thing to report on what others have reported on, and truly be just the messenger. * * * you're being Way Above Top Stupid. * * * Get a grip, man.

I agree with what you said, TrueAmerican, except for the part quoted above. Indigo expressed it the way he sees it. Why take offense? Take it for what it is. After all, we still have freedom of speech, the "Patriot" Act notwithstanding. America has strayed so far from what it could be and would be if it's priorities weren't so far off course from the foundation it was built upon, "We held these truths to be self-evident . . ." America has become a perversion. All the World except America sees it and comments on it regularly.

Zerinity, get a grip.
You can't seriously believe that what we're doing in Iraq has any relationship whatsoever to protecting our Constitution or the freedom of speech in the USA! It is attitudes like that expressed in your post which caused your husband to be sent to Iraq in the first place and which keeps him there in harms way. You and your husband would be better served to take our leaders to task for their near treasonous decisions regarding 911, Afghanistan, and Iraq.

One more thing, Zerinity. I like your signature line quote which says:
"We suffer primarily * * * from our illusions. We are haunted, not by reality, but by those images we have put in their place. -Daniel J. Boorstin-"
So true. Think about it. It is an excellent insight. Apply it to your attitude toward this situation. You are missing the boat. Your illusions don't allow you to see or even feel the water rising. It will soon be up to your neck and over your head and no life jacket within reach.


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