The Gathering. The $1-Billion-a-Year Right-Wing Conspiracy You Haven’t Heard Of

originally posted by: Bilk22

originally posted by: flyingfish

originally posted by: Bilk22
a reply to: flyingfish

Sound like dinners Obama speaks at and the plates cost more LOL They're all trying to destroy our way of life. Doesn't matter what side of the aisle they stand. You just don't get it so you're shilling for the other side unknowingly. Or maybe not

The only good this group serves is as a counterbalance to the other side. As long as they keep tugging, we'll be ok. Once on side gets full control (what Obama has bee trying to accomplish) we're all screwed.

You don't get it, this is not about two wrongs make a right fallacy, this thread is about the gathering and it's American bastardization of xtianity.

If I'm a "shill" then it's for this guy..

"Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can't help them, at least don't hurt them."

Dalai Lama

I don't think you get it. When you use words such as "right wing conspiracy" you come of as a liberal hack. What do you think is happening on the other side? They're just as slimy and use all the same tactics. They have world domination desires too - just from a different vantage point. They're certainly not a live and let live mentality. They want to control you as you claim this group does. So open you eyes before you try to open everyone else's eyes.

No... you don't get it.
You keep trying to deflect and make it about me, the op title with "right wing conspiracy" is from The Daily Beast article. Did you even read the article? Your not even addressing the articles claims.

And, I already addressed your fallacious reasoning of two wrongs make a right.

Description of Two Wrongs Make a Right

Two Wrongs Make a Right is a fallacy in which a person "justifies" an action against a person by asserting that the person would do the same thing to him/her, when the action is not necessary to prevent B from doing X to A. This fallacy has the following pattern of "reasoning":

1.It is claimed that person B would do X to person A.
2.It is acceptable for person A to do X to person B (when A's doing X to B is not necessary to prevent B from doing X to A).

This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because an action that is wrong is wrong even if another person would also do it. It should be noted that it can be the case that it is not wrong for A to do X to B if X is done to prevent B from doing X to A or if X is done in justified retribution.
For example, if Sally is running in the park and Biff tries to attack her, Sally would eb jsutified in attacking Biff to defend herself. As another example, if country A is planning to invade country B in order to enslave the people, then country B would be justified in launching a pre-emptive strike to prevent the invasion.

Try again..

I don't like hateful words coming out of anyone's mouth. This so called "Christian Bigotry" is no different to me than the plethora of overt publicly sanctioned anti-Christian Bigotry / bashing that is allowed and approved of throughout our society. Millions more are hurt by the disgusting antics of comics and hate speech directed against Christians than are hurt by the minority of ugly things said by some Christians.

There has been an all out assault on Christian beliefs for decades and we have complained about it, but nothing has changed, and you want to get up in arms about some Christians meeting together to try to push back a little bit against the billions lobbed against them by their enemies who have the ears of people in government and liberal controlled institutions?

This is all going to come down to a race / religion war eventually. The majority of converts to Islam in America are black people. This new religious twist adds into the old white vs black twist nicely. The recent beheading of a woman by a black convert is going to stoke the flames as we hear about Muslims cheering (supposedly, as I think this is contrived in many ways to push this religion war) in OK about this beheading that apparently started because of an argument over the stoning of women!

No, I think I will put up with a few Christians paying 1750.00 a plate for a meeting when as many have pointed out the other sides 5k, 10k, 30k dinners. Give me a friggin break!

a reply to: sheepslayer247

Thank you for this post. You are absolutely correct and said it so well.

originally posted by: LDragonFire
I haven't endorsed communism or atheism nor would I ever and this is totally off topic..

I guess my point is that it isn't about religion or even non-religious motivators, man will be man. One thing to think about, and the reason I bring up what you consider off-topic, is when someone like you looks only at past religious morals and practices they are still far better than the non-religious morals for the same periods. So, we can say that religion was bad by todays standard, but so was everything else...hehe

a reply to: Xtrozero


I think the deaths at the hand of communists and atheist is terrible, but they were not willing to share power with capitalist or the church so death and destruction followed as it always does. More human deaths have occurred at the hands of the state and religion, and I'm including almost all religion, Catholics, Protestant, Islam and Capitalism, Communism, or any ism.

For the record I don't trust big money in politics from any side. Religious political activist have stated they wish for a more Christian orientated theocracy. This will destroy freedom and liberty, or what we have left, the state has done a fine job of eliminating most of our constitutional protections as it is.

Should we trust the state? Should we trust religious organization with there histories?

Years ago a friend of mine had a hobby of statistics (yeah crazy huh) He told me that the Jews took 2000 years to reclaim there homeland and it would take the Native Americans 2400 years to reclaim theres.

"You took his land and you ate his corn and on his grave your land was born, you took his pride and you feed him dirt, you wished him winter without a shirt. And you called this red man Savage, and after you crushed him you helped him up, to let him drink from a empty cup, you gave him the Navy without the fleet, and made him lick your hands and kiss your feet, and you named this red dog Savage! Well I found a book the other day so I looked up red and white to what it would say, one was a savage the other unlearned, like a look in a mirror the tables were turned, for history has named you Savage." JD Blackfoot The Legend of Crazy Horse

The Legend of Crazy Horse (Full Version) by J.D. Blackfoot

originally posted by: UnifiedSerenity
I don't like hateful words coming out of anyone's mouth. This so called "Christian Bigotry" is no different to me than the plethora of overt publicly sanctioned anti-Christian Bigotry / bashing that is allowed and approved of throughout our society. Millions more are hurt by the disgusting antics of comics and hate speech directed against Christians than are hurt by the minority of ugly things said by some Christians.

There has been an all out assault on Christian beliefs for decades and we have complained about it, but nothing has changed, and you want to get up in arms about some Christians meeting together to try to push back a little bit against the billions lobbed against them by their enemies who have the ears of people in government and liberal controlled institutions?

This is all going to come down to a race / religion war eventually. The majority of converts to Islam in America are black people. This new religious twist adds into the old white vs black twist nicely. The recent beheading of a woman by a black convert is going to stoke the flames as we hear about Muslims cheering (supposedly, as I think this is contrived in many ways to push this religion war) in OK about this beheading that apparently started because of an argument over the stoning of women!

No, I think I will put up with a few Christians paying 1750.00 a plate for a meeting when as many have pointed out the other sides 5k, 10k, 30k dinners. Give me a friggin break!

BS

Nobody is oppressing Christians in the United States. What has happened is that special privileges that were once unquestionably extended to your faith have been curtailed to fall into line with the Constitution.

All out assault for decades? People questioned your beliefs (especially when they start having policy/political implications) isn't assault. Not being able to impose religion or religious policy on people isn't assault either. People pointing out that arbitrary interpretations of Genesis aren't supported by scientific evidence isn't assault. What are you talk about?!

This sick persecution complex, in which the very real mass-murder of Christians round the world is conflated with kerfuffles over Ten Commandant monuments and teachers lead prayer sessions, will only drive clear thinking people from the religion.

Also nothing scream credibility like predictions of race war.

originally posted by: flyingfish


it's the intend to impose their morality at the expense of others who do not subscribe to their religious indoctrination. It's what actually happens when people impose their beliefs on others, they do damage by considering them to be "less" on the simple basis of their religion, gender, race or sexual orientation. You damage their self-esteem. You treat them like an enemy. You tell them that they should feel ashamed of who they are. Other people need to be respected regardless.
Did it ever occur to you that nonsensical apologetics based upon the compiled ancient texts of societies that existed thousands of years ago may not be the best source for a system of morality?

Who said "a culture divided against itself is weak" is it not true? Do you demand that the government should legislate for One True Religion, do you? Or for One True Music or One True Literature? or One True Form Of Marriage?... you might be a bigot.

That's interesting. So promoting any particular worldview that you happen to believe in is wrong? I suppose the one exception is if you have a Marxist or libertine worldview aligned with the global progressive agenda. Promoting that is OK right?

I know this will be hard to accept, but promoting your beliefs is well established in the US constitution. It's called the first amendment. Are you one of those leftists who believe that concept is outdated? We need an "enlightened" government to determine which beliefs are acceptable? Those beliefs which don't damage your self esteem? Is that the criterion?

Last I checked freedom to practice your religion or to peaceably assemble means that a US citizen has the right to promulgate any sincerely held belief. That's called freedom of speech. I know this idea is rather quaint and old fashioned among today's enlightened. Also it is sooo old fashioned to have a religion that actually tries to spread it's beliefs among others by the simple presentation of the truth. Perhaps you prefer the soviet method or the Islam technique; conversion by force?

originally posted by: LDragonFire
More human deaths have occurred at the hands of the state and religion

Not sure your point here since there really isn't much group think outside of state and religion....

For the record I don't trust big money in politics from any side. Religious political activist have stated they wish for a more Christian orientated theocracy. This will destroy freedom and liberty, or what we have left, the state has done a fine job of eliminating most of our constitutional protections as it is.

Ok, no religion, no politics what is left? You know both of these are motivators and the biggest one of all that has caused more deaths and suffering is nationalism... Want to add that one to your list too? The bottom line, as I said before, is man is going to be man and there is no way around it.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Ok, no religion, no politics what is left?

Freedom.

originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: Xtrozero

Ok, no religion, no politics what is left?

Freedom.

Not sure why this is so hard to understand.

a reply to: sheepslayer247

Socialism has become a dominant force in the US as you worry about a disappearing religious right. LOL, okay. Lets all watch watch America's middle class collapse as socialism takes over, and marijuana is legalized symbolizing the end of Republicans and the domination of the religious right in politics, then blame it on the religious right and capitalism. Capitalism died in 1971. The religious right will be generally powerless within 10 years as church attendance continues to dwindle, now at the same level of Germany but approaching Britain and France.

www.familyfacts.org... A chart published by the "diabolical" Heritage Foundation.

I have bad news. The worst has happened and the US is no longer a free country. Oh, and it had nothing to do with the religious right. So, what are your plans?

originally posted by: sheepslayer247
a reply to: Hoosierdaddy71

The thread is about a "Right wing conspiracy", is it not? My comment actually said that both sides do this sort of thing, but then focused on the topic at hand.

Then you said this:

$1750 is kinda cheap, Obama had a fundraiser at $5000 a plate. abcnews.go.com... gle.com%2F So what the big conspiracy here? It sounds like comic con for churches.

So is it a big deal or not? If you agree the left shouldn't do it, then neither should the right.....correct?

Why did you have to counter the OP with facts about Obama's fundraising and not denounce the tactics of the right if it is so wrong? It's not the topic is it?

Does that sound bi partisan to you?

Don't let them derail the thread topic. It's an important one.

We continually argue about big money in politics and special interests funding public opinion.

I'm starting to agree with George Washington, the root of the problem is political parties, they serve there ideology and self interests, and that has nothing to do with whats best for the country or the citizen.

Everything is a deflection, we need to look at what the root of our problems are, big money influencing the government only benefits a very small percentage, but its the party politics that have allowed this.

originally posted by: UnifiedSerenity
I don't like hateful words coming out of anyone's mouth. This so called "Christian Bigotry" is no different to me than the plethora of overt publicly sanctioned anti-Christian Bigotry / bashing that is allowed and approved of throughout our society. Millions more are hurt by the disgusting antics of comics and hate speech directed against Christians than are hurt by the minority of ugly things said by some Christians.

!

How many comics have started wars in the name of comedy? How many comics have threatened people with eternal torture? I don't want to guilty of diverting this topic but some claims are so absurd they must be countered.

originally posted by: flyingfish

originally posted by: defcon5
a reply to: flyingfish

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Yeah, keep messing with the harmless Christian interest groups, who do nothing to you personally, so that they become the religious minority in the country. The Muslims are a close second to the Christians; let’s see how all these groups you are so worried about fair with them being the religious majority in the country. I’ll give you a hint; they’ll do more than hurt your feelings by telling you they disagree with your lifestyle choices or (anti)religious beliefs.
Mark my words the day is going to come where these groups are going to be lamenting, saying, “Man… remember when the Christians were around, all we had to worry about back then was that they might make us feel bad.”

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

Hardly.. I see a day when our intelligence emerges beyond religious extremism. There are those of us who value civil liberties and the separation of church and state, the most serious mistake we could make would be to think that 'it can’t happen here.
I'm all for religious freedom, It's religious intolerance, and the money of religious fanatics like The Family Council and others, that are forcing their unfounded views on all Americans causing considerable damage to women and others who want no part of their religious delusions!
It's simple, religion in government is unconstitutional, and should not be permitted.

Right you are. Anyone who has researched the religious right knows that it is a totalitarian political movement using religion as a front. The Gathering is pretty much the same big money, big power crowd as Council for National Policy.

a reply to: flyingfish

Totalitarianism, the denial of religious liberty (unless it is their version of religion), a group not well know, which makes a huge amount of money every year...

is it the illuminati?

originally posted by: SevenThunders

originally posted by: flyingfish


it's the intend to impose their morality at the expense of others who do not subscribe to their religious indoctrination. It's what actually happens when people impose their beliefs on others, they do damage by considering them to be "less" on the simple basis of their religion, gender, race or sexual orientation. You damage their self-esteem. You treat them like an enemy. You tell them that they should feel ashamed of who they are. Other people need to be respected regardless.
Did it ever occur to you that nonsensical apologetics based upon the compiled ancient texts of societies that existed thousands of years ago may not be the best source for a system of morality?

Who said "a culture divided against itself is weak" is it not true? Do you demand that the government should legislate for One True Religion, do you? Or for One True Music or One True Literature? or One True Form Of Marriage?... you might be a bigot.

That's interesting. So promoting any particular worldview that you happen to believe in is wrong? I suppose the one exception is if you have a Marxist or libertine worldview aligned with the global progressive agenda. Promoting that is OK right?

I know this will be hard to accept, but promoting your beliefs is well established in the US constitution. It's called the first amendment. Are you one of those leftists who believe that concept is outdated? We need an "enlightened" government to determine which beliefs are acceptable? Those beliefs which don't damage your self esteem? Is that the criterion?

Last I checked freedom to practice your religion or to peaceably assemble means that a US citizen has the right to promulgate any sincerely held belief. That's called freedom of speech. I know this idea is rather quaint and old fashioned among today's enlightened. Also it is sooo old fashioned to have a religion that actually tries to spread it's beliefs among others by the simple presentation of the truth. Perhaps you prefer the soviet method or the Islam technique; conversion by force?

It's not promoting when you try and enforce your beliefs into law, in spite of your denial there are a lot of folks attempting to push religion on the rest of us.
And lest you resort to that "Marxist or libertine worldview" nonsense, you should realize that "secularism" (which relies on evidence) is the norm, and unevidenced religious beliefs, myths, superstitions and old-wives-tales, of which there are tens of thousands of different versions, are the contrast.
If you made the foolish choice of believing in a religious doctrine that is directly contradicted by known scientific facts, that doesn't place on congress any obligation to protect you and your ignorance from the truth.

a reply to: flyingfish


Well don't anyone worry about them to much. After all its the liberal ideologues that control about every university in the country, run the IRS, most of the press, education in general ect. Hyping his "gathering" thing is just some hyperbole "Slinderman" or Steven King horror porn fear mongering ect witch hunt.

I mean you really, really, really need to understand the core of liberal ideology that they try to keep hidden, cloaked in rhetoric and buzz phrases..."hope and change"....."remaking the legal system" and much much more such progressive porn. There's your slinderman.

a reply to: Logarock



I find your position completely incredible. Protestants execute witches over a period of about 15 years and you in your comfy chair play the persecution card. Your privilege is so thick you are blind and you don't even know it. Outside of whining, you really have nothing else to talk about.

I don't care for liberal ideology and in fact this thread is about a group who would advise their followers to use appeals to religious liberty in order to gain a position from which to deny the religious liberties of their opponents. Generations being lied to into joining a culture war and being misled into fighting that culture war. Children being lied to, misled into denying science, physics, law, and even history.

Let me know when it becomes a problem for a United States politician to profess their Christianity. Let me know when it becomes a problem for any president to say their favorite book is the bible. When that happens, you can maybe say you are persecuted. Until that time comes, you are making a mockery of actual persecution.

People should drop out of all man made organized religion. Islam and christian. Get rid of religions, problem solved.