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The Vacuum Catastrophe and the CLEAR Design of the Universe

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posted on Sep, 19 2014 @ 05:15 PM
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a reply to: Kashai

What facts, though? I see grand logical leaps but no actual facts to back them up.




posted on Sep, 19 2014 @ 05:51 PM
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a reply to: GetHyped

The facts as to that capacity. As to you or I being able to form a conclusion based upon what is known today.

Say for example a person came to ATS and made the claim he was a very powerful mystic. His or her first post presents three events that elaborate upon newsworthy events in a lot of detail. Within weeks the events do in fact occur and are presented in media.

Now is it possible this persons access to that information is not the result of he or she being a mystic?

To be clear, today we can all say with certainty is, that Aspirin, can treat a cure common headaches. As well as many, many other such issues. But in relation to laying claim, with the perspective of certainty, in respect. To such lofty issues as we are discussing? That is another story.

Determining truth should be the more rigorous of investigations

Understanding in context that the population of a phenomenon is logical, portends to the conclusion that we know everything about it.

Any thoughts?

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posted on Sep, 19 2014 @ 08:44 PM
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This is why I am accusing you of Bloviating.




Any thoughts?
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posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 10:05 AM
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a reply to: Kashai

Again, what facts have you offered up? Perhaps our definitions of fact differ. Grand leaps of logic with no connection between them do not make a convincing case for me.



posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 02:00 PM
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Your claims have no actual basis in fact.

It is something you believe in and have faith in.

The OP presents the argument that random events as we observe in nature. Are limited in their capacity to express randomness, due to what are fundamental aspects to reality. As in the example of dice or poker the nature of how randomness is expressed fall within the parameters inherent to the two.

Now consider the example of Pi....



To begin with, we have to be careful what we mean by "random." Clearly pi is not "random" in the strict sense, because individual digits are certainly not random but mathematically fixed. Perhaps a better and easier question is whether pi is "normal base 10," which means that each digit, 0 through 9, appears, in the limit, precisely one tenth of the time; every two-digit string appears, in the limit, precisely one one-hundredth of the time; and similarly for every other finite-length string. One can also ask whether pi is "normal base 2," which means that each binary digit (0 or 1) appears half of the time; each two-digit string appears one fourth of the time, etc.


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Perhaps reality is also similarly "fixed".....



He adds that "at the very least, we have shown why the digits of pi and log(2) appear to be random: because they are closely approximated by a type of generator associated with the field of chaotic dynamics."


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Any thoughts?
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posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 03:17 PM
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a reply to: Kashai

The title of this thread is "...CLEAR design of the universe". Nothing you or OP have offered up is anything of the sort. It's merely people looking to science in an attempt to validate their personal beliefs. Unfortunately, this is not the case.



posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 05:45 PM
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Chaos theory concerns deterministic systems whose behavior can in principle be predicted. Chaotic systems are predictable for a while and then appear to become random. The amount of time for which the behavior of a chaotic system can be effectively predicted depends on three things: How much uncertainty we are willing to tolerate in the forecast; how accurately we are able to measure its current state; and a time scale depending on the dynamics of the system, called the Lyapunov time. Some examples of Lyapunov times are: chaotic electrical circuits, ~1 millisecond; weather systems, a couple of days (unproven); the solar system, 50 million years. In chaotic systems the uncertainty in a forecast increases exponentially with elapsed time. Hence doubling the forecast time squares the proportional uncertainty in the forecast. This means that in practice a meaningful prediction cannot be made over an interval of more than two or three times the Lyapunov time. When meaningful predictions cannot be made, the system appears to be random.[8]


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So in context anything that we today relate to as random in any meaningful way. May only appear random due to our inability to comprehend its totality.

Any object that is capable of existing for a googolplex and today is about 40 billion light years in circumference, falls into this category.

Any thoughts?
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