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Our archaic paradigms of economy and money will be our downfall

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posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 10:22 AM
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Our idea of economy and money need to change. With the advent if technology robotics such as 3d printing and globalization we need to evolve our idea of how money and social structure works in order to keep up.

New social incentives need to be recognized and accepted by the general population. The self paradigm needs to cease to exist and we need to see the connection of ourselves to one another.

How do we do this?

How do we get past capitalism and the unlimited growth and profit above nature and people ideal set that's furthering our destruction?

At what point do we realize that it's not working?

Starvation, incarceration, poverty, people can't afford education, healthcare, rent, or food.

It's not working right now, in its current form.




posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 10:35 AM
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How do we get past capitalism and the unlimited growth and profit above nature and people ideal set that's furthering our destruction?


Simple, eliminate the Federal Reserve, multinational corporations, centrally controlled governments and the intelligence agencies that enable them. Prosecute banks as criminals when they break the law. Get off fiat currencies and return to a commodity backed monetary system.

What controls us now is central planning honed to a high degree of control. Get rid of that.


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posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 10:36 AM
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With the amount of people in the world it will be tough. Everyone complains about "depopulation" agendas in here now and then... But the truth is, is it's needed.

We need to limit "growth" and by that I mean "growth" in everything. The stupidest buzzword of the century and we will be looked back on in history as idiots, the ones who paved the path to our own suffering.

Scarcity makes people pliable and easily manipulated. If someone has everything they need they will consider secondary options, tertiary options.

I have this that and the other? Why don't I begin to choose the things I have for a set purpose or goal. I can buy things that are less wasteful? Great! I can do things that are healthier? Great. I can...

It goes on and on. People don't have that though. They don't have money to buy things that might be better for them or better for the environment. They don't have time to earn more money. They don't have energy after it's drained to meet the requirements of a job that barely sustains them.

Hence why you see celebrities and rich people creating a lot of the trends. They have the time, the money and the will. Sure some pop up from regular people due to pure ingenuity, but most people don't have the luxury. They are stuck buying things at Walmart with the happy face sticker which only makes them more sad.



posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 10:42 AM
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very good perception onequestion. Nothing will change until it is already irreversible. History shows that. If the majority of the regular people in this country did realize this, it still wouldn't change. The ones on top who control things would not like this. Transition would be ugly unless this was done at a global scale. Greedy and power hungry people will always pop up to try to persuade us to do things contrary to what you propose.



posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 10:50 AM
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a reply to: onequestion

Agreed totally, but the jerkoffs in power will never abdicate their artificial and obsolete throne.
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posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 10:53 AM
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There is no one starving in the US unless they don't know how to fill in a government form.

People can't afford an education...... So what I can't afford an airplane either.

Incarceration?...... Quit doing illegal things. I don;t get the whole we have more people locked up than anyone else, of course we do that comes with freedom, as usual the good people abuse their freedoms, and its the crowbar motel.

Poverty... The latest numbers on entitlements adds up to in some states more than $15.00 an hour. Talk to someone in a third world country about poverty. I noticed from the photos of the protesting "I can't afford life on minimum" people they look to be starving, and under fed.

Rent... The illegals seem to be making it, they know how to sacrifice, they get the whole roommate thing.

Healthcare was good for me until Obama got his hooks in it. Now it's cost me 2 1/2 times what it did. But ER is free it's the law, and Medicaid seems to be working.

All in all illegals are willing to risk their lives to come here, I would say things are working pretty good. Capitalism works better than anything else, nothing has done more for the world than capitalism and the US.

Could we update some things sure, but this is just more poor me econo porn.



posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 11:07 AM
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a reply to: Bassago


Simple, eliminate the Federal Reserve, multinational corporations, centrally controlled governments and the intelligence agencies that enable them. Prosecute banks as criminals when they break the law. Get off fiat currencies and return to a commodity backed monetary system.

What controls us now is central planning honed to a high degree of control. Get rid of that.


Simple??????



posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 11:12 AM
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It will take an eye opener. A game changer. The problems in our world are all due to a very small minority of people who live in fearful states of greed and callousness. They are only a problem because we have all set up a system to enable and praise these people. They are allowed to continue because people see them as things to aspire to. They are able to keep their positions because of limited resources.

The game changer will come on two fronts. They are both already happening in limited scope and it has the evil folks scared. One will be the era of virtually free abundance in resources. Once commodities become easy enough to obtain (like in a society with free(ish) energy), it will be nearly impossible to monopolize them. The other front will come from a completely open and honest society which is where we are headed with our social technologies.

If the industrial revolution happened in an age of Twitter, Facebook, and global live news, we wouldn't have all the benefits of the new industrial technology to be funneled into the hands of a few powerful people to use it to exploit the rest of the world. Of course, there are corporations doing that very thing now but it's becoming harder for them to do it. Eventually, an ethical social revolution combined with social technology will completely eliminate the ability for any sort of large-scale exploitation of the people by predatory capitalism.

I'm giving it another 20 years, max, before the paradigm of the Old World Order comes crumbling down around them. And I only give it another 20 years after that before our society is healed and nearly Utopian in function. I'm optimistic about our future.



posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 11:16 AM
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originally posted by: onequestion
Our idea of economy and money need to change. With the advent if technology robotics such as 3d printing and globalization we need to evolve our idea of how money and social structure works in order to keep up.

New social incentives need to be recognized and accepted by the general population. The self paradigm needs to cease to exist and we need to see the connection of ourselves to one another.

How do we do this?

How do we get past capitalism and the unlimited growth and profit above nature and people ideal set that's furthering our destruction?






At what point do we realize that it's not working?

Starvation, incarceration, poverty, people can't afford education, healthcare, rent, or food.

It's not working right now, in its current form.




This movie fits right up your alley. I think you and others who view it will enjoy it. www.youtube.com...
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posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 11:24 AM
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a reply to: TerryMcGuire



Simple??????


Sure, the French came up with a good method of eliminating much of the problem a couple hundred years ago during their little revolution. It would be a start anyway.




posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 11:45 AM
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originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: Bassago


Simple, eliminate the Federal Reserve, multinational corporations, centrally controlled governments and the intelligence agencies that enable them. Prosecute banks as criminals when they break the law. Get off fiat currencies and return to a commodity backed monetary system.

What controls us now is central planning honed to a high degree of control. Get rid of that.


Simple??????


Go for independence, on a state by state basis. This is why I (as an Englishman) I will be voting for an independant Scotland on Thursday.



posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 12:28 PM
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a reply to: MarlinGrace

Are you an older white male? Sounds like you are part of the white middle class that was protected and treated properly until Reagan. The fact that you only suffered when obama came into office is mere coincidence of timing.

Capitalism is the best system for getting basic human needs met but then has highly diminishing returns.



posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 12:46 PM
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wages/income once depended on the rarity/need/specialty offered to the community by your craft or trade, Guild (i.e.: Banker/Financier)

then the modern era based income/compensation on the money you bring into the Corp. was a major factor in your paycheck for the Exec's
the working poor were strapped to the labor, work grind...equating somewhat to the Horse Power-fuel model


I guess the next stage is to value your harvestable organs in credits and even a min. wage earner can live a short but semi-luxurious lifestyle

but for the top elites, they will gamble on every derivative angle out there so that they might afford to benefit from the poor min. wage serfs that cut short their years to live in the 'fast lane'...


ever considered the absolute utility of the religious rite of beheadings that is fast to become the common way of departure.....
Mohammad was way-ahead -of-his-time... perhaps he seen the future, huh


thanks for the mental exercise
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posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 01:31 PM
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a reply to: Bassago

No dispute from me. That was also the last solution I held to. Since I gave up on that solution I find that now, I have no solution. I'll let you lead the revolution Bassago....



posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 01:42 PM
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a reply to: yorkshirelad


Go for independence, on a state by state basis. This is why I (as an Englishman) I will be voting for an independant Scotland on Thursday.
.. Living in California for a long while, I advocated this idea. Now however I am more of a mind for regional groupings, Northwest, Southwest, New England etc.....



posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 01:53 PM
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Capitalism has been around since the Greeks, even before maybe, and it isn't working? Communism (Russia) spent itself into collapse, China is capitalist, without the two party system, barter will always favour one side or the other, so whats left?...



posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 02:08 PM
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originally posted by: Bassago
a reply to: onequestion



How do we get past capitalism and the unlimited growth and profit above nature and people ideal set that's furthering our destruction?


Simple, eliminate the Federal Reserve, multinational corporations, centrally controlled governments and the intelligence agencies that enable them. Prosecute banks as criminals when they break the law. Get off fiat currencies and return to a commodity backed monetary system.

What controls us now is central planning honed to a high degree of control. Get rid of that.



No. No. No. The entire concept of having any form of monetary system is the entire root of the problem. These systems lead us to greed, corruption, and power struggles where those with the most try to control those with the least.

The cycle must be stopped for us to advance and evolve as a species.

These systems are imaginary concepts that are made up by humans. It's all "pretend".

And we are forced to be slaves to these systems through violent and non-violent manipulative ways.

Our greed for material creature comforts drives us, and divides us. What good us material wealth when one day you will die anyways? Everyone is going to die, which makes these systems obsolete in the long run.

We do require a new way of life. But the road will be long, and difficult as most people cannot even fathom living in a world without a monetary system, or a world without people behind opressive regimes enforcing their greedy will upon us all.

I can imagine a world without money, without bills, rent, having to work to pay to survive. Can you?

What if you woke up one day and were truly free to just do whatever you wanted to do? To travel, listen to music, make music, paint, sculpt, or just sit around all day in your underwear and play video games if you want. That is true freedom.

Our time on this planet is short, why must we spend it being slaves to other humans who could care less about the rest of us?

The world must change.
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posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 02:25 PM
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The idea of a world without a monetary system seems a very, very far reach at the moment. A commodity based monetary system is at least feasible for humanity at this stage. Fiat money controlled by sociopaths is what has caused a great many of our current (and past) disasters.

Also until the underlying mental health issues and the widespread insanity within the human species is resolved none of this matters anyway. My take on this is that will never happen, humans are unstable predators even when there is nothing to fight over. Probably just another failed species in the evolutionary experiment that is biology on Earth.

Still I like your ideas and hope they are more achievable than I believe they are.



posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 04:52 PM
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originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: MarlinGrace

Are you an older white male? Sounds like you are part of the white middle class that was protected and treated properly until Reagan. The fact that you only suffered when obama came into office is mere coincidence of timing.

Capitalism is the best system for getting basic human needs met but then has highly diminishing returns.


Did I mention anything about suffering? lol... I am retired 57 year old, self employed business owner that has lived the American dream. Worked my butt off for it, and see nothing today but young whiners that find everything to difficult to deal with. That get free everything, 3 years of unemployment, make no excuses for living off of the government tit and think someone owes them something. Their idea of sacrifice is give me. I never accepted a nickel from any government agency for anything, I got kicked out of the house when I was 17 for being out too late and chasing girls. Been on my own ever since. It would be an embarrassment in my family to get any government assistance for anything.

Anyone who relies on the government for work, or to be successful, or anything for that matter. will always end up disappointed. I always found a way to make it, never letting a bank, the government, a business, employer, employee, customer, corporation deter me from being independent of anything or anyone. You can't hire me or fire me unless it's up to me. You may say it's arrogance, but I assure it wasn't easy, many before me have done it many after me will do it. You can do it if you're willing to make the necessary sacrifices short term for long term independence.

Ask yourself what life you want, is it always a new car, the latest phone, the big house, fancy jewelry, nice clothes, or the latest and greatest gizmo's? Or are you satisfied with less to have more later. Are you willing to buy a decent used car for cash and have no payments, or do you want 4 or 5 hundred dollar a month payments, and put yourself in the position of having that income every month. I drive a 2005 F250 4WD Diesel I paid 20K cash for 3 years ago, in perfect condition.
No payments, no problems.

Or are you one of those people that blame the banks, government, corporations, white people, black people, green people for your problems? If I can't get something done I blame myself no one else. I work at finding a way, keep pushing, don't stop, don't give up, and when you reach success don't expect anyone to have a band shouting congrats. They will just be shooting at you saying you're part of the problem, because you have money, are the right color, had an education, whatever, it's their petty jealousy, and lack of desire and sacrifice they want to put on you.

"Capitalism is the best system for getting basic human needs met but then has highly diminishing returns."

And what lifes experiences do you have to make such a comment?




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