Obama administration plans to jail conservative author/speaker/filmmaker for 16 mths

a reply to: TDawgRex

I don't personally wish the guy harm either. My comment was a little tongue-in-cheek. I doubt people in gen pop would know him. To be honest, I'd have a hard time picking him out of a crowd since I quit watching the Sunday morning same ol' # a few years back. My blood pressure dropped once I accepted they are all corrupt and only out for the interests of the few.

The only politics I watch now is "Last Week Tonight" with John Oliver. Brilliant. Thought provoking and one of the funniest shows on tv.

a reply to: grandmakdw

"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."
-Voltaire

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: grandmakdw

"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."
-Voltaire

And who is grandmakdw "not allowed" to criticize? It's certainly not Obama. There are literally hundreds if not thousands of threads here criticizing Obama and the Democrats.

You're just playing victim, claiming that if anyone disagrees with you, you're "not allowed" to have your opinion. It's really getting old!

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: grandmakdw
My challenge is to get the Democrats who will be angry with my question, to go out and research the answer for themselves.
Because like you and others who are angry for me even asking the question and don't want to know through researching, the answer for themselves.

A. I'm not a Democrat
B. Your question doesn't anger me. Your tactics sicken me, however.
C. I DID research and couldn't find anything. I did find another similar case in which the guy has been charged and pleaded guilty, but he won't be sentenced until October. Source

Chatwal, 70, a Padma Bhushan awardee and major fundraiser for former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, had pleaded guilty in April to conspiring to violate the Federal Election Campaign Act by making more than $180,000 in federal campaign donations to three candidates through straw donors who were reimbursed.

He is currently free on a $750,000 bail and has surrendered his passport.

The charges carry a maximum prison sentence of 25 years but under the plea deal with the government, Chatwal could be sentenced to a little more than five years and may have to pay $500,000 in fines.

All your threads are like this. I give you ZERO credibility. They're just an Obama-bash fest without ANYTHING to back up your accusations...

Not what ATS is about, IMO.

And my dear, you always hold the exact opposite viewpoint as I do.

I have noticed you have a really hard time not getting angry when someone holds an opposite view than you.

So what? An opinion is an opinion, my opinion is as valid as yours.

I normally skip your responses because they are so predictable, and you probably find mine the same, so what?
Why name call? That is immaturity born out of anger. When people start looking up old threads for anyone I normally think they are desperate to prove their point.


We will know the answer when Chatwal is sentenced won't we? They are considering 5 years out of a possible 25 year sentence and fines. Interesting since they are thinking of throwing the entire book at D'Souza. So we'll wait and see if there is partiy.

You can then say nana nana boo boo then if you want to.

I'm quite fascinated that no one could find an example over the past 6 years until just this year, and it relates to Hillary, who the Obama's are in a fairly open grudge match with.

Heretic, calm down, take a chill pill, it's just politics, not life and death.

You have a tendency to personally attack when someone disagrees with you, that's a shame, it hurts your credibility darlin. Not a good trait on ATS is it?

Since you can't find another example of a Democrat getting the treatment D'Souza is getting, except for a contribution to a nemesis of Obama (the Clintons), then we'll just have to wait and see, won't we.

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: grandmakdw

"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."
-Voltaire

Fabulous Beezer,
can't criticize Obama or the Dems can we? Not without people name calling, getting their panties in a wad and actually trying their best to throw people who disagree with them in jail.

a reply to: grandmakdw

Ooh! I guess I hit a nerve! LOL I certainly didn't call anyone names or look up any threads. I do have a memory... ATS is for entertainment, not to take seriously or to get angry about. Dear.

By the way, here's another Democrat who has been found guilty of orchestrating a straw donor scheme. So your question...

originally posted by: grandmakdw
have any Democrats at all been convicted of illegal campaign contributions since Obama took office.

...has been answered! And it's a resounding YES!

Democrat Albert Baldeo Convicted of Obstructing Justice

U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara indicted Mr. Baldeo two years ago for orchestrating a straw donor scheme to funnel illegal contributions to his 2010 campaign for City Council.
...
Each of the seven charges carries a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison.

So, it looks like your assertion that Dems are treated better than Republicans is totally false! Imagine that! LOL

Bored now...

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

RE: The article you referenced as your AH HA proof:
Once again Albert Baldeo has not yet received a sentence.
Guess we'll have to wait.

Interesting that six years ago Albert Baldeo was acquitted on all charges for mail and wire fraud.

Guess we'll have to see what happens if he is actually sentenced to the maximum.

In the article, I did not see anyone, let alone the United States Attorney, calling for Mr. Baldeo to receive the maximum penalty.
My guess is that Mr. Baldeo's earlier acquittal made him feel that he could get away with anything, but was so awful in his corruption that it could no longer be ignored.


With Mr. D'Souza, the US Attorney is calling for the maximum penalty.

So we'll have to see. But I still see differential treatment even in this case.

a reply to: grandmakdw

I just wanted to jump in and point out a couple things, if I may.

Desouza has not been sentenced yet. This sentence is only a recommendation being made by the US attorney. The judge will make the final call. We should probably wait until he is senteced to get our panties all twisted.

Also, he is not a film-maker.....he is a propagandist for the neocons. His film could be compared to Alex Jones' Obama Deception, but Alex's film was better in that it was not made to rally for a political side.

Lastly, Desouza is a puke. Not only did he break finance laws, which I don't think he should be jailed for, he also cheated on his wife and is known to be somewhat of an ass.

He is not the kind of person I would want to stick up for or use as an example of partisan politics by the Obama Admin.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: grandmakdw

"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."
-Voltaire

And who is grandmakdw "not allowed" to criticize? It's certainly not Obama. There are literally hundreds if not thousands of threads here criticizing Obama and the Democrats.

You're just playing victim, claiming that if anyone disagrees with you, you're "not allowed" to have your opinion. It's really getting old!

I was referring to the individual in the OP's story.

Your continued name-calling is also getting rather old. But to each his own.

*meh*

a reply to: grandmakdw

Is it just outright revenge?

Of course it is.

Prosecutors are very selective about who they prosecute.

The Obama/Progressive Administration is very jealous and hold grudges forever.

originally posted by: sheepslayer247
a reply to: grandmakdw

I just wanted to jump in and point out a couple things, if I may.

Desouza has not been sentenced yet. This sentence is only a recommendation being made by the US attorney. The judge will make the final call. We should probably wait until he is senteced to get our panties all twisted.

Also, he is not a film-maker.....he is a propagandist for the neocons. His film could be compared to Alex Jones' Obama Deception, but Alex's film was better in that it was not made to rally for a political side.

Lastly, Desouza is a puke. Not only did he break finance laws, which I don't think he should be jailed for, he also cheated on his wife and is known to be somewhat of an ass.

He is not the kind of person I would want to stick up for or use as an example of partisan politics by the Obama Admin.

You are right he has not been sentenced yet. I pointed that out earlier.

The US Attorney is calling for the maximum sentence.

D'Souza has repeatedly stood up for conservative politics.

D'Souza specifically has pointed out the damage he feels Obama has done to the country.

It doesn't matter what you think of him personally (do you feel the same about Bill Clinton's adultery, how about Rahn Emanuel who is known to be a real a__ as you call it), the crime he has admitted to being guilty of is one that normally gets a "slap on the wrist", the US Attorney demanding the maximum sentence is as I see it pure and simple revenge. A huge huge fine would be more equitable than jail, along with probation. That is the sentence given to the majority of those who have committed this crime.

a reply to: grandmakdw

Ok, lets assume that the prosecutor is taking revenge on this guy. Why does it matter? It's the judge that is going to decide his fate.

What bothers me about this deal is that Desouza and his lawyer have been crying about "being targeted" by the government because of his political views from the very start. They even mentioned it in court and the judge pretty much laughed in their faces...saying it was completely unfounded.

Also, the US attorney leading this case is known for going after Cuomo (a democrat) for some of his actions as governor. It appears that he does his job...regardless of which party one is affiliated with.

So perhaps they are asking for Desouza to serve the full sentence because he was a douche and made accusations against them during the process.

Bickering.....

is not a productive method for debates.
Neither is name-calling.....it ends NOW....You are responsible for your own posts.

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originally posted by: grandmakdw
Is it just outright revenge?

I'd say so. I've followed this and he cooperated and was honest.

That the current Justice Dept. is now a political tool seems to be a given. However the game plays both ways and I'm sure that has been the case often in the past on both sides of the fence.

It's the Judge that evens the playing field.

Jail time for an offense like this is absurd. I can see a fine, but nothing more.

If a politician accepts illegal campaign funding, isn't that kind of like receiving stolen goods?

a reply to: Blaine91555

Par for the course with this administration...

Don't like it?... well then your just a racist...

originally posted by: Blaine91555
I'd say so. I've followed this and he cooperated and was honest.

That the current Justice Dept. is now a political tool seems to be a given. However the game plays both ways and I'm sure that has been the case often in the past on both sides of the fence.

It's the Judge that evens the playing field.

Jail time for an offense like this is absurd. I can see a fine, but nothing more.

What is your justification for this?

DAs call for maximum sentences frequently. "Tough on Crime" and all. The notable exceptions are when they must prosecute by law but don't really want to, or when there are plea deals.

From the article in the OP:

But the government jeered at the so-called repentance, saying D’Souza hasn’t taken responsibility for his crime and still brands himself a victim of unfair prosecution for his dislike of the Obama administration.
...
“A few weeks after making the mistake of violating New York’s campaign finance laws, my parents filed for divorce. He was very stressed during this time as my parents had been married for 20 years,” she explained in a letter to the judge.

D’Souza was forced to resign in October 2012 as president of The King’s College, a Christian school in New York, when it emerged that he was engaged to a woman while still married to his first wife.

His 2012 illegal Senate contributions, to the campaign of long shot Republican candidate Wendy Long, were made as his marriage broke down and he even used his mistress as a straw donor.

How can he possibly brand himself a victim of unfair prosecution when he admitted to committing a crime? The rest of it speaks to the character of this person - a shameless individual who does what he wants without regard to law, society, or morality.

Murderers can cooperate and be honest about what happened too, but that doesn't mean they don't deserve the punishment for the crime. This guy admitted to a crime, one which carries a jail term.

originally posted by: Greven
How can he possibly brand himself a victim of unfair prosecution when he admitted to committing a crime?

He wants to be a conservative martyr. Conservatives have to be under attack, they have to be persecuted. They have to be constantly under attack. Don't believe me?

Persecuted, 2014 film
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You can't be a conservative in America today without being persecuted. Because you're persecuted, you have to vote for the right guy so that you can live free again. That's the message being delivered.

a reply to: links234

Right conservatives are paranoid because:

under a liberal/progressive/socialist President

the IRS targeted conservatives (openly admitted and investigations are still continuing, they are so innocent they are going around destroying evidence - no persecution here, look the other way folks)

the NSA has started collecting information on everyone's cell phone calls and emails, and even built huge buildings just to house the data - all under the gentle eye of a liberal - no paranoia here, look the other way

the TSA began checking for problems, inside people's pants and around their genitals, in diapers and broken "bags" of the ill, to what purpose? find anything of note? nope, conditioning the people to accept humiliating body checks - oh no, that's paranoia - nothing to see here, look the other way - daddy "O" will watch out for you

Come on, that Democrat was just kidding when he said that people who don't believe in global warming should be killed, ha ha - look the other way - nothing to see, "O" swept this one under the rug so we don't need to worry

Pelosi said that conservatives can cause the entire civilization to fall, all on their own no less - but she doesn't represent the views of socialists/progressives/liberals does she - just because she is a leader - no no no - nothing to see here - no one hates conservatives that is a big lie - liberals love everyone - peace out

a reply to: grandmakdw

Right conservatives are paranoid because:

under a liberal/progressive/socialist President

Liberal, yes / progressive, just barely / socialist, don't be ridiculous

the IRS targeted conservatives (openly admitted and investigations are still continuing, they are so innocent they are going around destroying evidence - no persecution here, look the other way folks)

That is incorrect. The IRS targeted the non-profit applications of organizations that implied, by the names they themselves chose, that they were partisan political organizations without regard to whether they were conservative, liberal, or whatever. The FACT is that more liberal organizations were affected by the methodology than conservative organizations. Issa specifically asked for a list of Conservative organizations that were identified, and the IRS admitted that those organizations were indeed 'picked out' by their methodology. He specifically did NOT ask for the liberal organizations that were identified, and he did that on purpose, for the simple reason that the answer would not further his 'need' to energize YOUR outrage.

Political organizations are not permitted to enjoy the benefits of non-profit organizations, whether they are conservative, liberal, religious, or whatever.

the NSA has started collecting information on everyone's cell phone calls and emails, and even built huge buildings just to house the data - all under the gentle eye of a liberal - no paranoia here, look the other way

That started under the "gentle eye" of the man who shot his best friend in the face and encouraged torture as a fundamental part of American foreign policy. That NSA surveilance package was and is the part of the dogs breakfast that the dog leaves behind in steaming little piles on the sidewalk in front of your house after it has finished with it. It was encouraged by the conservative community in general, was passed by the Senate and the House, signed into law by President George W. Bush, and has been renewed by the Congress. Its all very well to scream like a stuck pig NOW, but where were you when f'ing thing was put into place in the first place?

the TSA began checking for problems, inside people's pants and around their genitals, in diapers and broken "bags" of the ill, to what purpose? find anything of note? nope, conditioning the people to accept humiliating body checks - oh no, that's paranoia - nothing to see here, look the other way - daddy "O" will watch out for you

Again I agree that the TSA checks are more than intrusive; but again where were YOU when the Conservative dominated Congress and President ramrodded that Patriot Act through? Exactly whose fault is it? Obama wasn't President when that stuff was put in place, I thought the conservative mantra was personal responsibility - why do you need to fob off responsibility for your disasters on someone else?

Come on, that Democrat was just kidding when he said that people who don't believe in global warming should be killed, ha ha - look the other way - nothing to see, "O" swept this one under the rug so we don't need to worry

What Democrat was that? Provide the link or admit it is BS?

On the other hand: AZ GOP vice-chair calls for sterilizing poor women: If you want a baby, get a job

Pelosi said that conservatives can cause the entire civilization to fall, all on their own no less - but she doesn't represent the views of socialists/progressives/liberals does she - just because she is a leader - no no no - nothing to see here - no one hates conservatives that is a big lie - liberals love everyone - peace out

That is not, of course, what she said. What she said was, in response to a from Bill Maher, that it was important for the Democrats to retain control of the Senate. Maher asked a cynical question, why should we care who has control of the Senate, it will still be gridlocked, she responded with a cynical answer, by using rhetorical hyperbole.

You cannot watch that interview and come away with the honest thought that she meant it literally, or even figuratively. Furthermore she didn't even come close to saying that it would be "all on their own no less".

Of course the conservative blog-o-sphere went hyperbolic all on their own, but that is their agenda, not Pelosi's.