a reply to: beezzer
Killing a man does not kill an ideology. You'd have to literally destroy the WHOLE of the middle-east including all the innocent children who have
naturally become anti-westernised by witnessing air strikes and foreign military presence.
Once an ideology is rooted beyond the point of critical mass, you CANNOT destroy it, without having to lower yourself to the same level of barbarity
we have witnessed from IS. You can only SUPPRESS/OPPRESS ideologies at that point. It is swings and roundabouts.
I do not agree with the IS by any means, for I truly believe that forcing or attempting to force free-will, against it's will, is the highest crime of
the universe. But I do NOT see an easy solution, and that saddens me.
Do you HONESTLY think that by slaughtering 30,000 foot soldiers on, technically, their homeland is not going to simply create a new (and potentially
more extreme) wave of 'terrorism' further down the line? Do you honestly think the children of the Levant believe we are 'good' and they are 'bad'?
The only way such a method would work is if we can ENSURE all military capability will thus be removed from the region PERMANENTLY and all the
Children of the Levant put through extreme rehabilitation to counter any possible future desire to follow in IS's footsteps.
But evidently ISIS/IS has been and still is receiving HEAVY funding from 'somewhere'. So, in essence, this becomes the much more important question,
for we cannot DESTROY this ideology, but we can SUPPRESS it, and the easiest and most proven way to do this is to remove military capability and hence
the capability of revolution, or 'terrorism' - whatever you wish to call it
However, this seems to be the last question on many people's minds while they relentlessly call for the absolute murder of every person to associate
themselves with radicalised Islamic views.
Think of it like this - we have priests here in the west who openly admit they would GLADLY exterminate gays (for example), one by one, in cold-blood,
because their 'book' tells them so. We are not launching a 'murder all radical Christians' campaign. Why?
Because the only difference between them and ISIS is that they haven't felt they've had the 'chance' or capability to effectively do so, where as ISIS
has. However, these radical Christian views (for example) are well SUPPRESSED because they form part of a larger society that not only generally
disagrees with this view, but also prevents them from forming any such effective attack on a large scale.
This is the same scenario we TRIED to achieve in the Middle East, and we failed miserably, in fact GIVING LIFE to the problem like the first arrow
shot into a Deer does.
We must now face the consequences, and I do not doubt for a second that on a military level we will CRUSH the foot-soldiers of IS, but I worry that in
effect we are simply continuously digging ourselves deeper into a hole, that is not only getting deeper but also wider.
I suspect at any rate, removing 'radical Islamication' from the world is IMPOSSIBLE, and hence removing 'terrorism' is impossible. Do not fool
yourself, my friend.
But what we can do is keep attempting to apply the DIVIDE and CONQUER model that has worked well for so long. And that's precisely what we'll do, and
in turn we'll continue to breed more 'terrorism'.
It is essentially a tug of war between the speed a revolution can meaningfully assemble and the speed at which the 'system' or ideology being
threatened can suppress such a force.
Remember - there is NO PEACE 'without' SUPPRESSION/OPPRESSION. But likewise, there is NO PEACE 'with' DESTRUCTION.
I wish I knew the answer but I have simply found this to be a sad yet FUNDAMENTAL 'law' of the Universe/Cosmos/Divine Source and it's interaction with
The truth of the matter is that we are no more privileged to have it 'our way' than IS are to have it their way. Do not fool yourself on an objective
moral scale. This Earthly experience and the 'correct' ruling ideology is ALWAYS determined by those willing to SUPPRESS and MURDER when required.
In that sense, I wonder how many people on ATS, who literally comment on IS everyday, would actually pick up a gun and fight them? That's the funny
thing about all of this.
Talk is cheap and so I try to limit myself on mindless bashing and rather analyse the situation for what it is, unless my homeland military decides to
mobilise an effective ground assault on IS, in which case I will gladly lay my life down against IS to preserve what 'I', and many others, believe is
a more suitable ideology for Earth presently and in the future.
For in the end, what has mattered in our Human existence, and hence history, more than that? But the 'tug of war' will NOT end. After IS there will be
others, until the end of time.
My only fear is that as humans become more immobilised from reality (hooked on TV/net etc.) and more devoted to a game theory model of the universe
(all that matters is personal survival), we will as a whole become only weaker and weaker to what WE see as a negative ideological change such as
This is a big problem that many people on ATS have not yet realised, as they happily state everyday how much they disagree with terrorism and group
x/group y, while sat at computer screens with not ONE desire to sacrifice themselves or put themselves at risk for the same views they so proudly
Man... I'm starting to think our best bet as a race are the future generations that will live on Mars. Our Earth has been cursed for as long as the
first realisation that fear and pain causes submission and success.
edit on 3-9-2014 by DazDaKing because: (no reason given)