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originally posted by: DJW001
You have it exactly backwards. There are natural gas reserves in the Black Sea. If Ukraine can develop those reserves with European help, Russia will lose its market. To maintain its gas income, and the power that comes with it, Russia has seized part of Ukraine's coastline and destabilized the country in order to scare off foreign investment.
If there was any proof that Russia had committed the shooting down of MH17 it would be everywhere, but instead there is silence with no data from the black boxes being released. That means that the information from the air traffic controller in Kiev was correct along with Russia's intelligence they released showing Ukraine is the one who shot down the plane.
originally posted by: FootBig
originally posted by: DJW001
You have it exactly backwards. There are natural gas reserves in the Black Sea. If Ukraine can develop those reserves with European help, Russia will lose its market. To maintain its gas income, and the power that comes with it, Russia has seized part of Ukraine's coastline and destabilized the country in order to scare off foreign investment.
You just made that stuff up completely.
The past Ukrainian government was already friends with Russia.
The revolution and NEW government was staged and supported by US and EU.
Russia didn't create problems we are seeing, US did
originally posted by: stirling
And the old government was staged and supported by Mother Russia.....
So we seem to be at a standoff.......
While the lowly Ukrainians get it both ways....
If there was any proof that Russia had committed the shooting down of MH17 it would be everywhere, but instead there is silence with no data from the black boxes being released. That means that the information from the air traffic controller in Kiev was correct along with Russia's intelligence they released showing Ukraine is the one who shot down the plane.
if you're looking for a "true reason" and want to make it simple for yourself just look at Crimea itself and what Russia gained by successfully annexing it.
When Russia seized Crimea in March, it acquired not just the Crimean landmass but also a maritime zone more than three times its size with the rights to underwater resources potentially worth trillions of dollars.
Russia portrayed the takeover as reclamation of its rightful territory, drawing no attention to the oil and gas rush that had recently been heating up in the Black Sea. But the move also extended Russia’s maritime boundaries, quietly giving Russia dominion over vast oil and gas reserves while dealing a crippling blow to Ukraine’s hopes for energy independence.
originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: bjarneorn
You have it exactly backwards. There are natural gas reserves in the Black Sea. If Ukraine can develop those reserves with European help, Russia will lose its market. To maintain its gas income, and the power that comes with it, Russia has seized part of Ukraine's coastline and destabilized the country in order to scare off foreign investment.
You just made that stuff up completely.
Russia’s annexation of Crimea has totally upended Kiev’s plans for Black Sea and Sea of Azov offshore oil and natural gas production.
Before the peninsula’s March 16 independence referendum, followed two days later by Russian annexation, Ukraine’s state-owned Chornomornaftogaz (“Chernomorneftegaz” in Russian) owned 17 hydrocarbon fields, including 11 natural gas fields, four gas condensate fields, and two oil fields, along with 13 offshore platforms in the Black Sea and Sea of Azov.
Among foreign companies interested in Crimea’s offshore hydrocarbon assets were ExxonMobil, Royal Dutch Shell and Petrom.
The past Ukrainian government was already friends with Russia.
The revolution and NEW government was staged and supported by US and EU.
Russia didn't create problems we are seeing, US did