Hamas was created by Israel.

Sure would make sense if true. They seem to play right into the hands of the israelis who use their actions to justify even more bloodshed (assuming you believe that israel is telling truth).


Of the available sources on this issue, I like the article by Justin Raimondo which he wrote during israel's attack on southern Lebanon back in 2006.

Hamas, Son of Israel.

“Israel and Hamas may currently be locked in deadly combat, but, according to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years.

Israel ‘aided Hamas directly – the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization)...

“In addition to hoping to turn the Palestinian masses away from Arafat and the PLO, the Likud leadership believed they could achieve a workable alliance with Islamic, anti-Arafat forces that would also extend Israel’s control over the occupied territories.”

For those who dont really trust the "alternative media", here is an article in the Wall Street Journal from 2009:

Surveying the wreckage of a neighbor's bungalow hit by a Palestinian rocket, retired Israeli official Avner Cohen traces the missile's trajectory back to an "enormous, stupid mistake" made 30 years ago.

"Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel's creation," says Mr. Cohen, a Tunisian-born Jew who worked in Gaza for more than two decades.

I would imagine that there are other sources as well.

Not exactly a new phenomenon. Its kind of like the US with Al-CIAeda or ISUS. The latest reports are now claiming that ISUS is being run by a Mossad agent...

But why would israel create or help to create Hamas? I mean, doesnt Hamas want to get rid of israel?

Obviously, israel is not going to help a group if they really felt threatened.

One of the premises is that israel wanted a group to counter the growing influence and unity of the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization). But why?

Well, because the PLO was actually willing to compromise. If the PLO was the "official" representation of the Palestinian people and was willing to compromise, it meant that israel would have to come to an agreement and it could no longer use Palestinian "provocations and attacks" as an excuse to take what was left of Palestine.

In this following article, Normal Finkelstein painstakingly and methodically goes thru the history of the "peace process" and makes the case that it is actually israel which does not want peace.

This article is from 1989 but as far as I can tell, Finkelstein's current view of the situation has not changed:

The Scourge of Palestinian Moderation Peace Process or Peace Panic?

a reply to: gladtobehere

I am glad you posted this with media sources. I was thinking this as well. A friend of mine who served in the IDF told me the very thing you posted.

Isn't it similar to when the US gave Osama Bin Laden and the Afghanis training or money (not sure what exactly) when they were fighting the Russians in Afghanistan? I could have this wrong, but I know it's something similar...yes?

It's like when the US doesn't have an enemy, they just create one and declare war on them.

a reply to: gladtobehere

Yup S+f for you, I was going to create such a thread but you have done it 1st and i'm sure better than I could
It makes so much sense in the way this farce has unfoldded, A pro Palestinian group would not act the way Hamas do...all the ineffective Hamas do is reinforce Israels reason to destroy Palestine

A genius not required to work it out...only an open minded person who is not influenced by mainstream means will see the obvious

I just began researching this a few days ago as well.

My conclusion:

The man and the dog actually ARE working together...

Howard Nema covers the rising conflict in Gaza and exposes the truth about Hamas, that was created by the Israeli Mossad to counter Yasir Arafat resulting in decades of "blowback" also known as false flag terror.

The way I see it, this whole dilemma poses a duel threat. One, from the New World Order elitists and their genocidal collectivist goals and two, the threat of Islam, who interestingly enough endanger the oligarch's goal of a one world totalitarian socialist government and one world New Age religion. Unless of course, they are working together and I indeed do believe they are. The Muslim Brotherhood along with the CIA and MOSSAD spawned al-Qaida and Hamas as opposition groups. This fact is indisputable.

The Brotherhood's doctrines make up the core of the terrorist jihad conducted by organizations such as Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, Hamas, and the government of Iran. Its agendas have been crystal clear since its creation of its intentions: infiltration, subversion and global terror with world conquest as the goal." In fact, communism and Islam are very similar. You could say they are one and the same since Islam is first a law of State, Sharia Law, as is communism. HN Note: The Illuminati forged the concept of communism during the French Revolution.

THE RISE OF ISLAM AND THE THIRD WORLD WAR

Click on image for article:

Great thread.

I have noticed many of the discrepancies in this Israeli/Palestinian/Hamas scenario, as many of you have and refused to come to this conclusion, due to the major implications it brings to light and have been looking elsewhere to no avail.
The tunneling system was the mistake I couldn't understand. Why would Hamas build such an expensive, elaborate system and then not use it for any real means. Terror tunnels are for terrorist tactics which get employed before the military skirmishes. They knew firing missiles would provoke retaliation and they also knew Israel had all the information regarding the tunneling network through intelligence over a year ago. So provoking an attack would lead to the tunnels being destroyed. Any one trained in the missiles Hamas manufactured/bought and used also understood they would be ineffectual against the Iron Dome system. Did Hamas start a war on the premise they thought they were going to get lucky and hit something!?! Hamas has trained commanders, not all of them are rogue fighters as we all are led to believe, they are not this stupid!

So what if this is true, even more then that, what if this goes even farther down the rabbit hole then that.
What does a collective society due with this knowledge? Should we start a movement and go marching down to D.C. - we all know how well that worked out in the past!
As a US citizen, if it is true, what's next? Seek asylum in Russia.....

I really thought this was common knowledge, a well understood fact.
Maybe some of the rabid israel supporters just do not have this information.
I truly don't understand how any American could support israel knowing there are lawmakers with dual citizenship who answer to AIPAC first!
Talk about infiltrating the enemy!

originally posted by: g146541
I really thought this was common knowledge, a well understood fact.
Maybe some of the rabid israel supporters just do not have this information.
I truly don't understand how any American could support israel knowing there are lawmakers with dual citizenship who answer to AIPAC first!
Talk about infiltrating the enemy!

But we are supposed to ignore that because the Muslim Brotherhood has infiltrated the White House. With the positions dual nationals hold in our government Israel is practically running America.

I have been saying this for a while. They built the iron dome to manage a manageable threat. Hamas has done nothing but legitimise (morally not legally) Israel's aggression towards Palestinians.

Could you imagine if this were proven to be true? That would mean that Israel's excuse for so many innocent casualties is fabricated, which would mean that Israel designed a reason to murder innocent people...

This is call to all Israeli's. If this turns out to be true, your ALL f#$/ed .

LOL it took ATS way too long to come to this.
Im thinking of quitting ATS now, it had become a circus for the absurd.
There is still some hope, but hope can be put out faster than light.

Edit: Funny how everyone was backing Hamas last week and now Hamas is the enemy.

Orwellian to the bone.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: g146541
I really thought this was common knowledge, a well understood fact.
Maybe some of the rabid israel supporters just do not have this information.
I truly don't understand how any American could support israel knowing there are lawmakers with dual citizenship who answer to AIPAC first!
Talk about infiltrating the enemy!

But we are supposed to ignore that because the Muslim Brotherhood has infiltrated the White House. With the positions dual nationals hold in our government Israel is practically running America.

This is waffle following waffle, please put some meat on the bones. Then both of you can have the satisfaction of, 'well understood facts'. I guess not.
It's actually more easy to state that in your opinion, all politicians are just pathological liars, and the reason for being so.

originally posted by: ThePublicEnemyNo1
a reply to: gladtobehere

I am glad you posted this with media sources. I was thinking this as well. A friend of mine who served in the IDF told me the very thing you posted.

Isn't it similar to when the US gave Osama Bin Laden and the Afghanis training or money (not sure what exactly) when they were fighting the Russians in Afghanistan? I could have this wrong, but I know it's something similar...yes?

The name you are looking for is the Mushahadine. The spelling may be wrong but its close. It later turned in Alciada.

All of these terror groups were created by USA , Brittian and Israel as controlled opisition. We may be fighting them but it will be used to further strip away our rights here at home and to keep the population under the fear based mind control program.

Think of all the things the US Gov was able to impliment after 911.

"Never let a tragedy go to waste."

a reply to: AnteBellum

Russia no way. I often listen to WhatReallyHappenned to reset my normality as the presenter is very good at logically pulling the psychological warfare apart. But nothing has really changed for decades, corporations profit from death, Governments lie to promote corporate rule and the public non the wiser.

I have to believe that heroes like George Galloway will eventually force change in Palestine. Their voices will grow louder until the roar cannot be ignored any longer.

And Israel was created by Zionists, and Zionists are the current ruling bloodlines on this planet.

Deception is the art of war.

Wait what the hell?

Half the posters on this thread for the past 3 weeks have been making excuses for Hamas..

Backing them up, and touting them as the fighters for the Palestenian people...

You people cant have it both ways....

I swear to god some people have no shame

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Hamas was good. Israel was bad.

But then they couldn't deny the whole human-shield issue. But they still wanted Israel to be bad.

Ergo;

So now Hamas is created by Israel so they can continue to hate on Israel which is bad.

a reply to: Sublimecraft

Zionist have no bloodlines to the original tribes. That's just another fabrication to empower their hatred. It wouldn't surprise if the Palestinians are the true blood relatives of the original tribes which might explain why converted Turkic Jews hate them with a passion.

a reply to: glend

Zionist have no bloodlines to the original tribes. That's just another fabrication to empower their hatred.

By zionist you mean jews right? Because I thought zionism was just a political or social ideology among some jews....

That would lead one to believe you were using the term Zionist as slander......

IF youre gonna speak out about empowering hatred, how bout not facilitating it with your speech...

a reply to: metodex

Backing Hamas?

I'll throw you a bone and suggest that maybe a small (minute), fringe, number of ATS posters support Hamas, but the reality here (and all over the internet/world) is that anyone who criticizes Israel is automatically labeled a Hamas supporter, and or anti semetic.

That's equivalent of labeling me an Al Qaeda supporter because I criticize the US gov't and their failed war on terror.

And to add to the OP, whom I'm surprised didn't add himself.

Congressman Ron Paul "Israel Created Hamas"