Barbara Olson never called from flight 77

I know its been a long time, but for those of you interested in such things, this is an interesting read.

www.libertyforum.org... er=293155901

This information blows a fairly large hole in the official story.

They used the phone call to establish the exsistence of hijackers on the plane and the identity of the plane that hit the pentagon. The entire case was virtually built on this call.

It seems that somebody has been telling fibs. The question is "Why?"

I liked this bit,

From linked story
It is easy to imagine an infinite number of situations . . where government officials might quite legitimately have reasons to give false information out. It's an unfortunate reality that the issuance of incomplete information and even misinformation by government may sometimes be perceived as necessary to protect vital interests.�

Surely the Pentagon wouldn't be telling us fibs?

This article has absolutely no substance whatever. What a weak, pathetic attempt to make something of nothing.

This entire article can be boiled down to:

But I am not convinced that successful mobile phone connections can be made from an airliner at cruising altitude.

Which has been established to be possible by myriad sources and discussed ad nauseum here on ATS.

Good luck, Mr. Morgan, may your ignorance set you free.

[edit on 12-4-2004 by Valhall]

Bottom line is, Barbara Olson did not have a credit card on her, which would have been needed for her to make a call.

There was this one guy on Flight 93 that supposedly made a call to his mom, I forget his name. But he said, "Mom, this is--" and gave his first AND last names! Now why would you have to give your own mother your last name?

Then someone who lived for a while in the middle east (I believe Joe Vialls if I remember right) said no devout Muslim would have worn red, especially not on the brink of martyrdom (red headbands on Flight 93). If anything they probably would have worn green.

Amethyst, this is the reason why these "conspiracies" wont die.

Whoever masterminded and orchestrated all this wasnt thinking or didnt care about the way things would come out later..
Mr. Olson is a huge Republican, wonder if he cared the how or why of this doomed flight.

Well lets see now - this thread implies that if Olsen never made the phone call then it wasn�t #77 that hit the Pentagon - is that right?

Flight Recorder Found:
Firehouse.com, 77 black box found

If the recorder found is not 77's then we have to believe that not just a few but multitudes of government employees are in on a conspiracy. Further we have to believe that a fifth plane was involved and that 77 was "disappeared" further involving scores of flight controllers into this conspiracy.

Already this is getting very unwieldy due to sheer numbers involved.

Eyewitness Accounts:

Flight 77 Crash at the Pentagon, Sept. 11, 2001

"Frank Probst, an information management specialist for the Pentagon Renovation Program, left his office trailer near the Pentagon's south parking lot at 9:36 a.m. Sept. 11. Walking north beside Route 27, he suddenly saw a commercial airliner crest the hilltop Navy Annex. American Airlines Flight 77 reached him so fast and flew so low that Probst dropped to the ground, fearing he'd lose his head to its right engine."
- "A Defiant Recovery." The Retired Officer Magazine, January 2002


"USAToday.com Editor Joel Sucherman saw it all: an American Airlines jetliner fly left to right across his field of vision as he commuted to work Tuesday morning. It was highly unusual. The large plane was 20 feet off the ground and a mere 50 to 75 yards from his windshield. Two seconds later and before he could see if the landing gear was down or any of the horror-struck faces inside, the plane slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon 100 yards away.

CNN

Of the witness accounts I've read these two were close enough to identify the A/C as an American Airlines aircraft of the correct type.

Those that infer this was possible by flying a 757 under remote control or a lone suicide pilot must first account for a missing 757 from the fleet of A/C manufactured by Boeing. (Not done) Also this involves further personnel such as Boeing or military mechanics to install control system, ground crew to ready A/C for mission (Fueling, maintenance and testing) and a control crew to remotely fly the A/C.

Now for this conspiracy to be possible we are up to our ears in manpower that have to agree before hand on the conspiracy or at least go along with some mighty irregular activity in which case they would be more prone to talk afterwards. At this point its not tens of people involved but at least several hundred military, government and civilian workers plus top political leadership.

Then to make matters more difficult one would have to accept that (A) Ted Olsen was in on things and was OK with his wife�s death, (B) Ted Olsen was brought in after his wife�s death and accepted the conspiracy before fabricating the phone call information. Now I don�t know about you but I myself would move heaven and earth if my wife was inexplicably killed in such a way � nothing would keep me silent short of being knocked off by the conspirators if I was not in on it in the first place.

Is there any evidence that the Olsen�s had marital difficulties or animosity?
What would be powerful enough to keep Olsen silent?

Is this getting ridiculous enough for you yet? it is for me.


BTW shouldn't this be another thread added to the 9/11 conspiracy thread?

Bottom line is, Barbara Olson did not have a credit card on her, which would have been needed for her to make a call.

Where in the world did you get this "fact"? Did you happen to go through her purse before she got on the plane?

I had the idea that none of the calls were real, just for the fact being I would have thought it would be quite impossible for the calls to be made on cel phones...
cause if you think about it, the only recording would be this call here which would be legidimate I guess since its from a 911 center.

The other calls have not been brpught forward for the public to hear or anything like that..

Which makes it interesting cause they had the calls over the air of the people stuck inside the WTC before it collapsed.

Originally posted by Thicheaded
ALtho one call which I think is real did happen cause the FBI gagged the person who was talking about it here locally in pgh pa.

I wanted to add this in the 911 research post but nobody event allowed me to anyway here is what happened locally on 9/11 when flight 93 went down...


I want to make a note about that 911 article you made..

www.abovetopsecret.com...

here is what I tried to post.. I would like you to add this for me considering that this is relivant to the the subject.

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
I am convinced that the flight that crashed in Pennsylvania was actually shot down. I will offer information that explores that theory as soon as I can. Imagine the passengers rushing to the cockpit and their complete horror at finding out the airplane was not being flown from anyone in the cockpit. What would they do? They'd get on the horn immediately and announce that little fact loudly. That could not be allowed! No way! They had to neutralize that aircraft and everybody in it before word got out to the wrong people. People who could not be intimidated and controlled.

There were plenty of witnesses around the crash area who claimed there was a white military-type jet in the area at the same time.

Also, from what I've seen of the debris field, it's got shoot-down all over it.

Stay tuned!

This plane was shot down, on the local news here in pittsburgh they had the cordinator for the 911 center in the county of westmorland county on WPXI News stating this.

"There was a guy who called our center and told us he was on flight 93. He stated that this is not a hoax and that his plane(Flight 93) was highjaced and he was in the bathroom, He said that there was an exsplosion and then soon after there was white smoke. then the line went dead"

I remember this from watching TV that day, from that call I knew something was fishy about 911 and knew the hero story on fliught 93 was bs.

There are other reports of that guys call on other sites the one i can think of offhand is
www.flight93crash.com...
www.flight93crash.com...

The guys name is Edward Felt.
The reason this call was made is cause the plane was a few ft off the ground... say about 2500 to 5000 ft off the ground so I believe this call to be real cause soon after they gagged that cordinator at the 911 center.

There is more to this I would like to add, but if need be I would..
This is the only call here that I believe is to be real. Reason

Gagged, Then nobody in a normal sense has even heard about this call..

[edit on 4-12-2004 by ThichHeaded]

Originally posted by Amethyst


There was this one guy on Flight 93 that supposedly made a call to his mom, I forget his name. But he said, "Mom, this is--" and gave his first AND last names! Now why would you have to give your own mother your last name?

Okay, but wouldn't his mother know her own son's voice?

Originally posted by SourGrapes

Originally posted by Amethyst


There was this one guy on Flight 93 that supposedly made a call to his mom, I forget his name. But he said, "Mom, this is--" and gave his first AND last names! Now why would you have to give your own mother your last name?

Okay, but wouldn't his mother know her own son's voice?

Voice s/w, they can make anyones voice however they want. Its been in moves and I am sure they have it in real life..
Think of that Scream 3 movie... They had that voice bs there..

They could have taken the people out of the planes had each one of them talk and then make these calls to the families, providing they are actually real cel phone calls..

Flight 93 was shot down. Of course, this will never be revealed. Unfortunate, but true. Unfortunate, because I'm sure most of you will blame America or Bush. Exactly the reason it will not be revealed.

Originally posted by SourGrapes
Flight 93 was shot down. Of course, this will never be revealed. Unfortunate, but true. Unfortunate, because I'm sure most of you will blame America or Bush. Exactly the reason it will not be revealed.

I already know it was an inside job.

Watch Alex Jones 9/11 Road to tyranny, it pretty much lays out everything in easy to understand format how the governement was behind this, WTC 93, and OK city bombing..

It isnt that hard to actually see it, considering alot of things from the offical story dont add up...

and another video.. 9/11 the great illusion.. I cant remember who made that one.. you can get them both on bit torrents.
(DISCLAIMER: I have stated about pirating movies, altho illegal in most cases, in this case it is not, Both authors allow people to copy and pass out thir videos in anyway they seem fit.)

The conspiracies on 9/11 will never die, because it was never clear as how everything was done, the only witnesses are all death.

So as long as people can think, imagine and apply logic the conspiracies will never die.

Originally posted by SourGrapes
Flight 93 was shot down. Of course, this will never be revealed. Unfortunate, but true. Unfortunate, because I'm sure most of you will blame America or Bush. Exactly the reason it will not be revealed.

I thought that was because the passengers faught the hijackers and tried to take control of the plane.

Which then poses the question, why did the passengers on the other planes not try to stop the hijakers?

Originally posted by Kriz_4
I thought that was because the passengers faught the hijackers and tried to take control of the plane.

Which then poses the question, why did the passengers on the other planes not try to stop the hijakers?

I'm not sure any of us really know what we would do in that situation. Would you fight if you thought that it could put you or your fellow passengers at risk? They did not know what the outcome would be. This hasn't happened before. Hijacking has been around since air travel began, and usually ends w/out casualties. How were the passengers to know that death was emminent?

Originally posted by Kriz_4

Originally posted by SourGrapes
Flight 93 was shot down. Of course, this will never be revealed. Unfortunate, but true. Unfortunate, because I'm sure most of you will blame America or Bush. Exactly the reason it will not be revealed.

I thought that was because the passengers faught the hijackers and tried to take control of the plane.

Which then poses the question, why did the passengers on the other planes not try to stop the hijakers?

I think the hero passenger story was bs, then again I think there actually no actual commerical airliners that hit the WTC and pentagon but then again thats a whole other post now isnt it..

I think there were 266 people on Flight 93, which was shot down over PA, by a Flighter out of south Dakota..

There are sismic(sp?) reports of a jet fighter in the area, and also eye witness reports of a plane in the area before and after Flight 93 went down...

Anyway I think we should get back on topic about that chicks call not being real or it being real....

before we get in trouble or something.

[edit on 4-12-2004 by ThichHeaded]

Okay, I've been searching through some links on the 'Barbara Olsen' call.

Here's a few:

homepage.ntlworld.com...

911research.wtc7.net...

archives.cnn.com...

I'm really not sure. Good arguments on both sides. Maybe it's a cover up of the flight being shot down? I'm leaning towards a cover up, but not a '9/11' cover up. The fighter jets had no other choice than to shoot the plane down. How many lives were saved by stopping that plane? We'll never know.

I think "calls" were made to establish the hijackers as being Muslim. For all we know it could have been some American shmoe with a stolen ID or something. It doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't Flight 77 that hit the Pentagon.

Despite the "actual" evidence to claim Olsons call as havening taken place, it can be found in the phone records which can be "seen", as opposed to the conjecture to supply it never happend, will have anyone with brain wiring greater than the average bear to conclude that these phone calls weren't fabricated. Remember that those who say Flight 93 was shot down, there wasn't a fighter within range and conclusive radar evidenceshows us that the plane made a discent in amanner that suggest it was forced down by the cockpit.

The passengers were herded into the back of the plane. The first class section was gassed with pepper spray, which lingers for a long time if expelled in an ecnclosed area such as an office. The hijackers also selected the flights that had low passenger loads.