Two more countries report citizens killed by Ebola

These people that died were infected in one of the three original countries, then went home. British Airlines has suspended air travel from Sierra Leone and Liberia. We have not seen any deaths or confirmed cases originating in new countries.

Atlanta (CNN) -- Global fears of Ebola spread Wednesday after two more countries reported deaths of citizens they suspect had contracted the disease in West Africa.

Nigeria reported that a nurse died after treating someone believed to have contracted Ebola in Liberia. And Saudi Arabia reported that a man died, apparently of the virus, after a trip to Sierra Leone. The World Health Organization did not immediately confirm.

If confirmed, the two deaths would bring the worldwide total to 889. Nearly all of the deaths have been in Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea.

CNN

a reply to: LDragonFire

From that link:

And Saudi Arabia reported that a man died, apparently of the virus, after a trip to Sierra Leone.

The Kingdom of Saud is currently heavily embedded with the US in several "enterprises' in the Middle East. What if they sent people to Ebolaville Africa in order to retain samples of the virus for Research?

Scratch that. If so, the Western Main Stream wouldn't be reporting on it. Interesting to note though, it would be somewhat easy for somebody to go there and secure samples for basement Bio Weapons labs.

Any Jihadists brochures advertising vacations in Sierra Leone?

a reply to: LDragonFire

OK, I'm not a doom porn merchant, but this is starting to get me concerned.

The Saudi Arabian case could be significant, given the current state of the healthcare services in that country. Having worked and lived in KSA, and having seen first hand how the KSA health ministry treats other infectious diseases, such as HIV, I would be very concerned that proper care and attention would not be given to those presenting with suspected Ebola in KSA.

They haven't had much luck detecting or dealing with MERS in Saudi Arabia, and as most cases tend to manifest in the 'working classes' there isn't really much effort going into fighting this emerging respiratory infection. The wealthy can afford to fly themselves out to private clinics but the majority of immigrant workers in the country can find it difficult to access basic healthcare.

I'm troubled by the fact that now we have Ebola and MERS in close proximity to each other. I'm not a virologist, but my former GF is and I have read Hotzone, so I'm fairly well read regarding Ebola. Mixing one virus with another is a sure fire way to generate mutations.

The fact that we were previously unaware that there was a possible case in Saudi Arabia, and that that patient has since died coupled with the attitude of the authorities in KSA towards releasing information has me more worried than I was yesterday that this thing is going spread more.

Middle East Respiritory Syndrome

a reply to: LDragonFire

What about the potential cure for Ebola, ZMAP?

Spain Sends Jet to Pick up Priest With Ebola Virus

Spain has sent a medically-equipped jet to Liberia to bring home a Spanish missionary priest who has tested positive for the Ebola virus, officials said Wednesday.

The priest, Miguel Pajares, will be treated at a hospital in Madrid after he arrives but public health general director Mercedes Vinuesa did not tell reporters which one.

Parajes was helping to treat people infected with Ebola and is one of three who tested positive at the San Jose de Monrovia Hospital in Liberia.

ABC

If/when cases start popping up in these countries is when to start worrying. RT is reporting a possible case in Wales but that could be propaganda.

WHO: Ebola death toll reaches 932; 1,700 cases

ABUJA, Nigeria — The World Health Organization says the death toll from the Ebola outbreak in West Africa has risen to 932.

The new figures come Wednesday as authorities in Nigeria confirmed the death of a nurse of Ebola. Saudi Arabia also announced one death of a person with Ebola-like symptoms.

WP

a reply to: intrptr

Ebola is Highly infectious. Any 'jihadists' as you put it stupid enough to go looking for it, without the proper background, training and equipment, is unlikely to make it out of the country, let alone have access to a Level 4 lab where the virus could be weaponised.

Also viruses are not good candidates for germ weapons, as no one has yet managed to develop a reliable delivery platform. Viruses, unlike bacteria, require a living host to sustain them. Short of directly administering body fluids from one victim to the next, its just not practical as a germ warfare agent.

a reply to: lostbook

The current process for creating ZMAMPP involves combining the active enzymes with tobacco plants and letting them grow within the plant as the plant grows, then harvesting the reservoir of agents from the grown tobacco plant. So unless someone somewhere has managed to figure out how to chemically accelerate enzyme production, there's a natural time limit on how quick enough ZMAPP could be made. At the moment it is not a viable candidate for creating a cure that could be used to fight a mass outbreak. So far they have only managed to manufacture a handful of doses and only two were available for the Americans infected in Liberia.

It's also not as yet a proven cure. 40% of people infected with the current strain survive without anything stronger than regular hydration and rest.

Did you catch the latest?

There are 6 patients nationwide (in the USA) being tested for Ebola and the CDC won't say if they have it or not.

Which means what? The CDC would certainly say if they didn't have it to "keep people calm"

It's here people, I heard yesterday about how scientists put Ebola infected piglets in the same room with macaques (monkeys).

The result: "piglets infected with Ebola passed the virus to macaques housed in the same room even though the animals never touched. "


I have been saying this would happen on every thread I have joined on Ebola, and have been mocked and ridiculed and told it is not possible for :
Ebola to spread across the USA
Ebola to spread without bodily contact or contact with Ebola infected fluids

Well, unfortunately, I was right.


Ebola and sometimes fatal TB aren't the only diseases crossing the border.

"Drug Resistant TB, Dengue Fever and Chikungunya In the interview, Dr. Orient spoke of a mosquito-transmitted disease known as Dengue fever,. Dengue fever comes from Mexico, Central America, the Caribbean and northern South America. According to my Border Patrol contact, many more illegal immigrants from these regions are making their way into the United States. This illness is taking a fatal hemorrhagic form. There is no vaccine and no drug therapy for this viral disease that is almost always fatal."

Did you know that there have been people from Ebola infected countries crossing our southern border too

People, this isn't doom porn, this is really happening, wake up! ?

I suggest if you are really concerned you write the President and your federal representatives, because Ebola isn't the only nearly incurable disease coming to the USA, drug resistant TB, Dengue Fever and Chikungunya are spreading all over the USA thanks to what I satirically call "the open southern border policy"







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a reply to: redshoes

Viruses, unlike bacteria, require a living host to sustain them. Short of directly administering body fluids from one victim to the next, its just not practical as a germ warfare agent.

Are you the appointed disinfo king? How do you think all those people contracted the virus so far got it, by drinking each others blood or having orgies?

Ebola is transmissible from surfaces infected people have contact with. I'll let the CDC explain it.

…contaminated medical supplies and equipment, contaminated environmental surfaces,…

CDC

originally posted by: redshoes
a reply to: lostbook

The current process for creating ZMAMPP involves combining the active enzymes with tobacco plants and letting them grow within the plant as the plant grows, then harvesting the reservoir of agents from the grown tobacco plant. So unless someone somewhere has managed to figure out how to chemically accelerate enzyme production, there's a natural time limit on how quick enough ZMAPP could be made. At the moment it is not a viable candidate for creating a cure that could be used to fight a mass outbreak. So far they have only managed to manufacture a handful of doses and only two were available for the Americans infected in Liberia.

It's also not as yet a proven cure. 40% of people infected with the current strain survive without anything stronger than regular hydration and rest.

And the other 60% die

I will be shocked if the West managed to stop it affecting us. Europe in particular has absolute pathetic border control, UK has absolutely no idea who is coming in to Britain. It can take up to 20 days for Ebola sufferers to become symptomatic and what with still ignorant attitudes amongst many with connections in the worst hit countries of West Africa, still travelling to those countries and the amount of people that is in particular here in London, I believe it's 100% certain that its going to turn up in European cities similar in ethnic demographics to London. In fact, I would be shocked if it wasn't already here. If it hits London, it's going to hit London hard or any of the major cities, becuase due to overpopulation, high density populatated urban and suburban areas, many immigrant households in inner London vastly overcrowded and the NHS on its knees at the best of times in addition to still ignorant attitudes by certain communities with regards to limiting the spread of Ebola, you're talking chaos basically and this is from a person working in a government department that I had a meeting with this week. Believe what you like, but we are not prepared for this. May be you guys in America might fair better, I sure hope so.

In my opinion, I don't care what government agenda there is, all travel to and from infected countries needs to cease immediately and indefinately until this is brought under control.

a reply to: grandmakdw

The result: "piglets infected with Ebola passed the virus to macaques housed in the same room even though the animals never touched. "

Do piglets sneeze?

The title of that article in the link reads "Ebola may go airborne". Thats their disclaimer that it isn't yet. But if you are in the same room with a dozen sick piglets you will probably get it to.

Aerosolized sneeze, cough (and snort) droplets are hot.

a reply to: intrptr

Clearly, Ebola is infectious. However my point was that viruses in general, and especially hot viruses like Ebola, are poor candidates for use as a germ weapon. It would be more effective to walk up to someone and shoot them in the head than to walk up to someone and spray them with infected body fluids.

Fantasizing about Jihadists deliberately spreading the infection, without anything other than your imagination to back it up is, in my opinion, fanciful.

But if you want to go in that direction, by all means feel free. Jihadists are fighting for control of the Mosul Dam in Iraq, which supplies most of the drinking water for southern Iraq and the population centres along the Tibrus, for example, but it would take a heck of a lot of infectious agent to pollute the drinking water to a point that it would be a viable weapon / transmission system.

Besides, first rule of germ warfare: don't ever release a biological agent that you don't have an effective cure for yourself otherwise you're at risk of blowback.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: grandmakdw

The result: "piglets infected with Ebola passed the virus to macaques housed in the same room even though the animals never touched. "

Do piglets sneeze?

The title of that article in the link reads "Ebola may go airborne". Thats their disclaimer that it isn't yet. But if you are in the same room with a dozen sick piglets you will probably get it to.

Aerosolized sneeze, cough (and snort) droplets are hot.

That is exactly the conclusion any sane person comes to.

Ebola is airborne, there is no other way the monkeys could have gotten it from the pigs.

The disclaimer is there to appease the people in power who threaten those who dare to challenge the government's line of "it is not airborne."

But anyone with a drop of common sense can see it clearly is.

a reply to: redshoes

Fantasizing about Jihadists deliberately spreading the infection, without anything other than your imagination to back it up is, in my opinion, fanciful.

Well of course it is. This is a conspiracy theory web site after all, not the main stream. I will add that thinking these agencies that are pissed at America for blowing their countries to s*** aren't thinking about that then respectfully, you are the one living in Imagination Land.

a reply to: grandmakdw

The disclaimer is there to appease the people in power who threaten those who dare to challenge the government's line of "it is not airborne."

And to preserve credibility you think?

If they had said Ebola "IS" airborne instead of "may be", we be adding them to the same list as daily mail bunk.

I respect your opinion on the matter just pointing out the little non proofs of claims that supersede reality, mmm… kay?

a reply to: redshoes

Besides, first rule of germ warfare: don't ever release a biological agent that you don't have an effective cure for yourself otherwise you're at risk of blowback.

I thought Allah protects those he favors from all harm?

My disclaimer:

My views on organized religion here are well known by those that read my posts. In my mind all organized religion is man-made as well as mis informed to some extent, some more than others. Those elements that kill in the name of God or claim God is 'on our side' being the worst.

a reply to: redshoesi dont wont to get into your arguement but are jihadists as you call them suicide bombers and such ,so why would a suicide freak worry ,i mean got to be easier and cheaper then training them to fly planes..,so if you hate a country like the u.s.a this is the new cheaper method to take them out,,makes sense even just on a financial level,

a reply to: intrptr

They may be thinking it, but personally, I doubt they have the skills, experience or expertise in order to be successful.
Like I said before, shooting someone in the head is more effective then travelling to Africa, or sneaking into a level 4 lab and walking out with a bucket full of body fluids and managing to distribute the virus among your enemies before you keel over and bleed out yourself.

Oh and by the way, it's far more likely that they would target sunni factions before they would attempt attacking the USA.

This may be a conspiracy theory website, but as far as I'm aware the stated aim of this site is to deny ignorance.

The OP was about the spread of a naturally occurring virus, please don't try and detract from the thread by screaming Jihad just because one man in Saudi Arabia has died.