Ebola Patient in Atlanta Hospital

a reply to: Nochzwei
I do not doubt that it is an operation. What worries the heck out of me is that they are toying around with one of the deadliest hemorrhagic fevers to ever be observed and Mother Nature has a real bad habit of turning around and kicking us in the teeth when we try to show that we are better than her. See: Methicillin-resistant staphylococcus aureus (MRSA)

All it takes is one simple mutation and any magic bullet treatment that they have is ineffective.

You do not toy around with virii like Ebola.

To use the antisens the virus need to be studied well to know what it produce. But this Dutch company ablyx. Makes small antibodies with large amounts. The way is they infect the Camel with the virus. The camel recovers easy and make nanodies. The company takes that specialized antibody and make it part of a bacteria incubated makes humongous amounts of the antibody that binds only to Ebola virus. Since Ebola virus become humongous in numbers in Ebola patient liquidating him.the medicine have even more humongous amount.and here the devil meet his match.Ablyx a dutch antibody company

I don't know why. They ignore the Dutch. Their Erasmus university is the best in the world in about. Every thing buy especially in viruses

Just for the record, when I posted that something did NOT seem right and spoke of "ebola will be in every state in 2 weeks", It WAS A HYPOTHETICAL! I am not saying this virus is doing this!!!

When Ebola was discovered in 1976, it was in East Africa in Zaire located in the Congo. This is the reason the Zaire strain was named such. Since 1976, the outbreaks of Ebola have stayed within their confines and stayed isolated to mostly rural areas in East Africa. With the exception of Reston Virginia which occurred in a BLS 4 facility. They have not really seen Ebola outside this area...The virus was very lethal in 1976 but soon they had it under control.

Through the years the people in this part of Africa learned through trial and error,what this disease was, how to identify the symptoms and were well educated on how to prevent the spread of this disease.

Then 20+ years later we have the Ebola virus showing up in an area that has never have it..The doctors have said this disease is like the Zaire strain but does not really fit with the specifics of any of the filo virus' they have seen...

So that means the Ebola virus has mutated from what it was in 1976. The things we can say about Ebola is that we know it is spread by direct contact, blood and body fluids..I believe because this type of Ebola has never been seen before, doctors and scientists do not know if the disease is airborne yet or will mutate to become airborne and spread just like the Influenza virus .

What we do know about virus' in general. If they survive for a long period of time they do mutate to adapt.

We can assume the environment the virus' requires is hot and humid...

When a scary as hell disease shows up in your area that you do not know so much about you tend to panic....When Ebola showed up in Guinea the people were so overwhelmed with the dead and dying and the proper protocall were not enforced and taught like it was in East Africa. They were in the middle of a crisis and they just jumped in to take care of people without really understanding the importance of protecting themselves...

Typically, this disease does not emerge in the middle of a populated city...It begins in the remote villages where the people it first infect are most likely terrified at what is happening to them and do not seek medical treatment if at all until it is almost too late..The Culture also lends itself to a lot of handling of the dead when a family member dies...the family are the ones that take are the primary care givers....

So no gloves are not readily available by the thousands in small made up clinics that are some plastic chairs and a doctor and a nurse....I made no reference to doctors not being highly educated it was the people not knowing what this was.

I feel because we are a well developed modern country and have access to clean running water, bleach, washing machines. an outbreak here would be easier to control and stop the spread of the disease..

I also believe that the people that authorized this transfer understood the importance of trying to find a cure in the event this does become a Pandemic....In order to do that your best bet is to have a live human being that has been infected with the disease! this is absolutely necessary if you are going to find a vaccine or a cure!

Never before in history have scientists had the opportunity to study this mysterious filo virus' and now i believe they are doing that because they have too!

i will post the articles of what i have said so you can decide for yourselves.

Pax

a reply to: 00nunya00

from my understanding it replicates through your cells. It also secretes something to trick your bodys immune system from not sounding the alarm when it normally send out phagocytes as a first response to any forgien invader. the body doesn't realized anything in till theres a ton of cellular damage of cells all across your body and virons.

a reply to: adnanmuf

Where did you get your M.D.? i am curious because some of the things you have said do not make any sense...perhaps it is just a language barrier...I don't know...

The reason the doctor is starting to show signs of improvement is because he received blood that had been infected with Ebola and now the person had started producing antibodies that is why the kid who donated the blood got well..His immune system now had the component it needed manufactured by his own body to fight off and kill the virus. His blood will cause the doctors immune system to elicit a response by creating a protien called antigens

which will then produce antibodies in the doctor and will fight off and kill the infection inside him...So we do not need camels milk what we have is better.....

Please let me say if the doctor is cured this is how it will happen.this is what happens in all viral infections in our body.......Then we need his blood to create a preventive vaccine or create a cure....This is why this doctor is here first and primary....whether or not he lived or died is and was secondary...

If this doctor had come down with TB or Influenza or pneumonia or any other virus we would not have spent the money and effort to get him back here...We needed something from him desperately that is why all the hoopla.



The doctor infected in

a reply to: Asherz189

That is correct...when the virus attacks the body the immune system does not respond and send the particular helper cells to start fighting and destroying the virus....and one by one the virus attacks every cell in your body and nothing fires from the immune system.. Producing massive damage to your cells tissue and organs.....

a reply to: paxnatus

Do you know if all vaccines are made from antibodies of which ever virus they are trying to prevent.

Can some people have natural immunity or antibodies against some disease? I only as because I never got the chickenpox I know its nothing like ebola. But I was exposed numerous times and didnt get a thing. When my brother was in his 1st year of med, the topic came up and he thought it was interesting. And when my doctor realized I never got it he made me get a vaccine. I was in high school

he fact that experts are still unsure about the risks of airplane travel shows how unusual the current outbreak is. In the past, outbreaks have been focused in small rural villages, mostly in central Africa. Rural hunters generally bring the virus to their villages via infected monkeys killed for meat. But such villages are remote and can be easily quarantined, allowing the virus to burn itself out.

The current outbreak seems to have started in rural Guinea, but it was able to spread for some time before being reported to the World Health Organization.

These Guinean villages hadn't see the virus before, Morse said. A lack of familiarity with the disease, coupled with porous borders and burial rituals that exposed family members to the bodily fluids of the dead, led to much greater spread, he said.

"In places where they've seen Ebola outbreaks, both the local people and health authorities have some idea of what precautions to take," Morse said.

Lack of training and experience is compounded by the lack of basic infection-control equipment such as gloves. Using protective gear safely requires training and practice for health care workers, "especially how to take it off without accidentally contaminating equipment and themselves," Morse said. "It's partly a training matter and partly an equipment issue."

Here is the official article stating what i had said earlier about lack of education, and lack of GLOVES.-

news.nationalgeographic.com...

The doctor only use the antibodies came from the healed person. The amount of antibodies he received can possibly end the virus.This is called Aquired Immunity. And the body can only make antibodies until it's introduced fully to the pathogen ..The doctor will become rich. But only if we all survived.
Aquired oimmunity like Ablyx medicines and Humera and Diphtheria antitoxin (extracted from horse injected with diphtheria )acquired immunity were before the vaccines dilemma. And much better.
But qhat this has to do with medicines I suggested than contain the required antibodies from Dutch company Ablyx. With the website and so why critical of my degree.I am also epidemiologist.
I only spoke of basics of my field and unlikely made mistakes.
I write fast and don't have time to correct mistakes. Because the editing page will disappear on phone

a reply to: Asherz189

Typically yes all vaccines are taken form antibodies or antigens or parts of the antigen....Yes you could have developed a natural immunity to chicken pox and Yes you could have been born with that....Or been exposed without knowing and began to manufacture the antibodies without ever coming down with the disease.

Many diseases have preferences. SARS hits chinese only. MERS hits Arabs only.Ebola theoriginal preferred Africans. Whites mostly immune to AIDS. Milk intolerence whites only. If others ge

t it is because of mix.

Diabetes hit more black. Because of old houses.

Ebola reston is part of the flora of Georgia all the way to Mexico.it was first discovered in Reston Virginia in 1910 came from two monkeys from Africa for a circus. It's found in animals and human carriers I guess in the area. It's feared the mutant African cousin Ebola. Will change the resident one into same mutant or worse or less worse.

originally posted by: Nochzwei

originally posted by: JG1993
In reference to "antisense drugs"

Check out DRACO. I read about it several years ago when it was 8-10 from human testing. Similar to that military drug as well as what Tekmara is developing. The problem, related to though beyond the fact that a google executive and former DARPA executive owns the company behind it, these drugs eliminate EVERY virus by triggering natural cell functions when RNA is detected.

We can't be wiping out the common cold! Lozenges & cough syrup are worth a whole lot more than a couple hundred thousand lives...

Lol. Nice one.
But judging by the 54 pages this ebola psyops is working like a charm.

Or maybe not, seeing as much of the 54 pages are discussing that very thing.

originally posted by: adnanmuf
The doctor only use the antibodies came from the healed person. The amount of antibodies he received can possibly end the virus.This is called Aquired Immunity. And the body can only make antibodies until it's introduced fully to the pathogen ..The doctor will become rich. But only if we all survived.
Aquired autoimmunity like Ablyx medicines and Humera and Diphtheria antitoxin (extracted from horse injected with diphtheria ) were before the vaccines dilemma. And much better.
But this has to do with medicines I suggested than contain the required antibodies from Dutch company Ablyx. With the website and so why critical of my degree.I am also epidemiologist.
I only spoke of basics of my field and unlikely made mistakes.
I write fast and don't have time to correct mistakes. Because the editing page will disappear on phone

Basics of your field?

You have got every medical fact wrong.

You are NO MD. You couldn't even answer the basic medical question I put to you a few pages back. A 1st year med student could have called it out as a trick question.


Sorry to be harsh guys but I think people claiming to be doctors when they are not is dangerous.

originally posted by: adnanmuf
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Is that your medical opinion?

originally posted by: 00nunya00
WHOA! Anyone hear about this little nugget of info?

The specially-equipped plane that brought Dr. Kent Brantly from Africa to Atlanta, where he's currently being treated, made a stop at the Bangor International Airport Saturday morning. The plane touched down at about 7:30 a.m., refueling and then taking off within an hour. It also underwent a customs inspection, standard procedure for international flights.

But it gets better. If you watch the video on that page, there's a little tidbit not included in the print story: the flight crew briefly got off the plane at Bangor.

This just keeps getting more and more unbelievable. You would think that *just this one time* they might waive the customs inspection since it's doubtful they were carrying anything illegal----except, you know, the ebola virus. And to get off the plane for any period of time? What did they do, take a leak in the Delta Crown Room? Grab an Orange Julius in the food court? Exactly WHY would they even need to get off the plane, or risk doing so?

Yeah and now add this to the list of them taking the most circuitous route and touching the most things possible discussed earlier. Stopping there for just a customs inspection? Closest airport to Europe? Pffffffffft.

And then there was that pic of the alleged ambulance driver wearing just a mask in a Grady (from a very very very busy hospital) ambulance "draped." And the apparent lack of police escort and him walking in in a suit with no air.

And the apparent lack of and lax security along the entire route. But they must have seen the security concerns voiced because now a local station is saying: Even the news anchors were surprised there was little to no "visible" police presence on the route, marked or unmarked.

"The FBI, in working with officials at the Center for Disease Control (CDC) and Health and Human Services (HHS), provided security in conjunction with today's first arrival and transport of an Ebola patient scheduled for treatment at Atlanta. The FBI will provide similar security as an extra layer of protection to the public upon the arrival in the next few days of an additional Ebola patient. The FBI is coordinating with Emory University's Police Department with regard to any additional security concerns or needs," said the statement.

It must have finally dawned on the numbnuts that this is a prime terrorism opportunity.

And the wife's statement tailored to address everyone's shock that he "walked in" addressing the surprise that he did, even among physicians:

On Saturday, Amber Brantly released a statement that said, “It was a relief to welcome Kent home today. I spoke with him, and he is glad to be back in the U.S. I am thankful to God for his safe transport and for giving him the strength to walk into the hospital. Please continue praying for Kent and Nancy--and please continue praying for the people of Liberia and those who continue to serve them there."

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Nice adjustments to the screenplay.

a reply to: paxnatus
Well that was certainly nice of my body, considering I other wise have a down right horrible immune system.

So I suppose, since ebola is able to replicate quickly through cells, and is able to avoid detection until it is well spread, that really it's up to the strength of the immune system and I guess how much fight the body has in it. Because ebola is well a head before the body has a clue. Not only keeping up and taking on the mass amounts of Virons and massive cellular death and damage. That's a lot of work for the body.
Really all we can do is give coagulants to stop the hemorrhaging, ( and anticoagulants in the beginning, nutrition, hydration, and whatever else. Is medical care also able to administer anything to boost immune response?
And this is with first world medical care. I don't know what the treatment is over in west Africa, but it seems to be limited. Maybe the survivors should be rounded up and tested too see if they all have something in common that was naturally present in their bodies. I'm no doctor, so I don't know if it would help anything . But it would be fascinating

a reply to: adnanmuf

They inject a camel? Poor camel.

a reply to: Asherz189

Basically that's it.

You try to keep the patient alive as long as possible until the immune system kicks in.

In Africa that's easier said than done as your talking about a place that barely can afford clean needles.

In a western hospital you would get hydration therapy, dialysis to replace the function of failing kidneys, ventilators, anti coagulants (clotting can be as bad as the bleeding), coagulants and blood transfusions ect

In Africa you may get hydration and blood transfusion plus coagulants and anti coagulants if lucky.

Also there are some experimental treatments that they are trying like giving blood of survivors, possible anti body treatment and some transcription inhibitors (that seems to do nothing unlike in Lassa). Again though that wont be available to many of the Africans due to cost.

Thats the basics. I may have missed some things out as Im not a MD only a lab rat.

originally posted by: Asherz189
a reply to: paxnatus
Well that was certainly nice of my body, considering I other wise have a down right horrible immune system.

So I suppose, since ebola is able to replicate quickly through cells, and is able to avoid detection until it is well spread, that really it's up to the strength of the immune system and I guess how much fight the body has in it. Because ebola is well a head before the body has a clue. Not only keeping up and taking on the mass amounts of Virons and massive cellular death and damage. That's a lot of work for the body.
Really all we can do is give coagulants to stop the hemorrhaging, ( and anticoagulants in the beginning, nutrition, hydration, and whatever else. Is medical care also able to administer anything to boost immune response?
And this is with first world medical care. I don't know what the treatment is over in west Africa, but it seems to be limited. Maybe the survivors should be rounded up and tested too see if they all have something in common that was naturally present in their bodies. I'm no doctor, so I don't know if it would help anything . But it would be fascinating

the antibodies attach to the virus and makes it the Marked virus. From then on it's all downhill. The phagocytes will swallow the marked virus if not the killer T cell will come and there are more ways but marking it is the most important. May be they wanted the doctor because they can rea. Replicate the antibodies and make big bucks. They couldn't get the other healed persons because they are nationals of other countries and then their govs want the patent money since the patented item is inside their national. Or maybe they will request a share in the medicine.!
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