Israeli Naval Ship Bombs Palestinian Children on Gaza Beach - Killing Four

I have avoided using such images out of respect until now. I chose this time to use it deliberately.

I am a human being. That is my stake in this.

Ask yourself..who chose this particular beginning of the 'Gaza narrative' for you?

Again I am focusing on right here and now, while you are avoiding the fact historically that Palestine as a whole, has been occupied, it was not ever handed over.

Ultimately, it is up to the PEOPLE of Palestine, not Hamas - who were elected in direct response to Israels occupation methods and murders - or anyone else to determine Palestine's ultimate fate. THAT is what a democracy is. THEY decide for themselves.

Be very careful what you are really agreeing to 'make acceptable' here, as it comes around eventually and when it does, if you agreed wrong, you wont have a leg to stand on.

That gleeful acceptance of another human beings fate you are displaying, the justification of murder you want people to swallow as truth, that is a sickness that cant be bombed away.

You suggest Hamas attacks came after Israeli attacks, and I might have missed something. What Israel weapons system fired a weapon into the Gaza strip prior to a rocket being fired by the Hamas fighters in this round? Specifically, and with precision of date and time for context. Which weapon did Israel fire and when?

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Okay, time to crack a book. When was that land called Palestine under the direction and governance of Palestinian people? Which years was that a factual situation on that land? The Ottoman Empire held it as part of their possessions as well as land beyond it right into World War I. It was a British protectorate and possession until the UN screwed things up in 1947/48 by arguing long enough for the Jews to just say 'heck with it' and outright self-declare. Which is what they did.

I hear many people opine of the days of Palestine, as if that had actually been the nation occupying that soil for any length of time in any recent period of history. If it was, again, which dates by year was that the case?

I am also a human being and I have good friends in Israel among the Jews living there as we speak. They live along side just over 1 million Arab citizens also possessing Israeli citizenship. It's that sort of life in Israel. Is 1 Jew permitted to live outside captivity in Gaza? Even Iran has a Jewish community for what that's worth. Hamas outright states the death of Israel and those within it as their main reason to exist. It is their mission statement and charter. That is murder by charter. That is extermination by life's mission. That is Hamas. That isn't the Palestinian people. That is Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood they are a part of.

Ultimately, I would love it to be up to the Palestinian people. It was up to them while the Palestinian Authority controlled both the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Then Hamas managed to take or win an election and they will never peacefully surrender power again. Check into how Hamas treats it's Palestinian political rivals and what it does to them. This isn't free elections for what came after the first win in 2007. It's been an Islamic state trying to form under the auspices of the Muslim Brotherhood and among the Palestinian people.

I'm clear in what I find acceptable. When a population is under bombardment and cease fires are rejected regularly, defense is the only one of two options. The other is to die well and just give up. I'd never find giving up to be acceptable while under fire. Now someone ask Hamas to cease fire, as the world is working so hard to achieve.

originally posted by: MrCynic
a reply to: Rosha

That gleeful acceptance of another human beings fate you are displaying, the justification of murder you want people to swallow as truth, that is a sickness that cant be bombed away.

Lets agree to avoid the hyperbole or speaking for each other here. I have never, in any form, shown glee or happiness about the death of other people. There have been moments in life where I have felt a personal satisfaction in hearing someone finally left this world. Those are highly personal circumstances with very personal reasons which still brought no happiness. Simply relief and satisfaction of things being set right by fate in the end.

In reality, I think Israel's approach to fighting is one born of desperation as much as the tactics of Hamas have become. In desperation, Israel is also overstepping lines as if none existed, and it's doing so too casually for my liking or any circumstances they are facing. What is their alternative? What is Hamas's alternative? We are watching two sides who dimly recall the very specifics this whole fight is even about after so many centuries of time past. They're both trapped in groundhog day with death and destruction as their only normal.

It's still very difficult if not impossible to yell at Israel when the here and now has Hamas, not Israel, turning away cease fires and violating those which do happen within an hour or less.

edit on 30-7-2014 by Rosha because: (no reason given)