The US and the Idiot Obama aiding ISIS by granting Syrian Opposition 500 million

As Iraq Burns, US Plans $500 Million to Terrorists in Syria

There never were any moderates to begin with

While this US sponsored black operation, ISIS, rampages through not only Iraq but also Syria, the US is still very stupidly trying to grant 500 million dollars to the Syrian opposition who are supposedly the good guys and not terrorist, that will only serve to aid and abet ISIS since Syria is fighting ISIS as well and therefore ISIS is virtually an ally to America since it is helping those trying to overthrow Assad, which includes ISIS.

Somebody tell me the logic behind this utter madness? Obama is definitely, as the recent poll indicated, the dumbest president since WWII actually showing himself now worse than the ignoramus George Bush…and that’s a difficult thing to do, believe me!

Or…

This is another smoking gun proof THAT THE US IS SPONSERING ISIS IN AN ONGOING BLACK OPERATION SIMILAR TO HOW THEY ACTUALLY SUPPORT THE TALIBAN THROUGH THE PAKISTAN INTELLEGNCE SERVICE THE ISI.

Get it folks the ISI now ISIS, NOW…?

Is this some kind of joke…There is no doubt the maniacal lunatic, Ali Baghdadi, who runs ISIS, is a product of the US black operation.

All this crap was created through some black op CIA grunts using Hollywood and US cultural lore to invent ISIS, ISIL,…But lo and behold folks now a new name: this barbaric crew of US agents, ISIS, has now, without a doubt on the orders of the US black op boys, renamed themselves IS…

Recall president Clintons famous “that depends on what the definition of IS, IS…

How about tomorrow renaming them AH for assholes!

Everything about this guy and his public relations looks just like it is run out of 5th avenue USA hokey advertisements one would use selling soap.

Are you all sure he isn't Muslim or at least a Muslim sympathiser of the agenda variety, I know it is old hat but sometimes, you gotta wonder!

The idea is to bloister the moderates against the extremists and Assad. You can see this type of situation in other wars. In the Spanish civil war you had various fractions loosely organized against another group of loosely organized guys on the other side.

It wasn't just fascists against communists, there were others in the mix.

originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
Are you all sure he isn't Muslim or at least a Muslim sympathiser of the agenda variety, I know it is old hat but sometimes, you gotta wonder!

The fact he is helping ISIS is a confirmation he's not Muslim.
ISIS are criminals using Islam but they're certainly not genuine Muslims.

Chances are, if you make a deal with any alphabet agencies, you're making a pact with devil.
And you can't serve god and the devil at the same time.

a reply to: samsamm9

Maybe not Muslim in your interpretation but those guys consider themselves Muslim and base their entire agenda on it, however misguided.

Gee OP, tell us how you really feel.

Unfortunately, you're making your judgment based on the way YOU think things should go. As we should have all learned by now, TPTB have their own agendas and they have very, very little to do with doing the right thing. Has nothing to do with Obama or the US. Things are going the way the 'string-pullers' want them to go. Sad but true.

a reply to: Hanslune

Regardless of history and known tactics, the US shouldn't be funding any of it, we all know it is only a handout to ISIS in disguise.

The American people should have a say, it is their tax dollars being spent and I am sure they could use it there for better use.

It would seem that the neo-con has morphed into a radical neo-liberal in ways that could get very scary .Seems that there was a time when the electorate could have made a choice to move things a little closer to the center but may in the future no longer have the choice between the lesser of two evils .

I think this may have been a card tptb have kept to play if that was their only option .If we have thought that things were a bit hairy in the past then "you aint seen nothing" may be what is in store for we the people . By hook or by crook they have us where we don't want to be and they are going to carry this through to their end .If there ever was a time that God could set aside free will to bring about His plan it has to be very soon . Gone are the days, they can operate behind the scenes ,and are about to make their manifestation for all to clearly see . Be ready for the worst tribulation man has ,or will ever see on planet earth ...May He preserve and protect you during this time that is about to come upon the whole world ... www.youtube.com... The latest crosstalk is well worth taking in .One of the better discussions and they do bring in relevant context . a reply to: Willtell

originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
a reply to: samsamm9

Maybe not Muslim in your interpretation but those guys consider themselves Muslim and base their entire agenda on it, however misguided.

And that's why Muslims are the first victims of this tragic comedy.

Are the Westboro baptists real christians ?

originally posted by: Hanslune
The idea is to bloister the moderates against the extremists and Assad. You can see this type of situation in other wars. In the Spanish civil war you had various fractions loosely organized against another group of loosely organized guys on the other side.

It wasn't just fascists against communists, there were others in the mix.

It's the idea yes but in practise often it goes otherwise.

Or it's just part a big plan to bring chaos, it's just really weird when the west is giving loads of money to terrorists but naming them differently ''rebels''...

Also they train(ed) many security police and how many of them (let alone the weapons) ended up in groups like ISIS. And remembering Bush speech where he something like said if you harbor/support terrorist you are the enemy but it looks that was another lie.. as the whole war against Iraq and Afghanistan.
Also leaving tons of weapons/vehicles behind when leaving Iraq and Afghanistan, nice gift to ISIS.

Iraq not having military planes from the US (which they ordered) to bomb ISIS, but gotten them from Russia instead now in a very short time...

And what about this:
countercurrentnews.com...

ISIS with McCain..

a reply to: Willtell

I think the clever plan is to support whomever and let them bomb, burn and kill themselves back into the stone age. Thus, saving the enablers the trouble and expense. Then we step in at some point pick up the nukes and bring the whole lot of them into the modern world.

That may seem daft, but that is exactly what happened with WWII. It was called the Marshall Plan. The modernizations of faulty ideologies (Nazism) and old cultures/societies are still going on, even surpassing us, the instigators with such works as the EU. It is obvious by now that antiquated and flat wrong concepts need to be taken apart and outside influences brought into play to make the world a better place. The evolution starting in the US part of the game. --You didn't actually think that we were in control did ya or that it was all Obama's doing?

Are the Westboro baptists real christians ?

a reply to: samsamm9 God's grace is to all but says that not many strong ,not may wise ,and not many good are saved . He loves the challenge to transform people .Unfortunately transformation takes a little longer with some ....peace

originally posted by: Willtell

A lot of your claims are only that. Claims. You have not provided any evidence to support your assertions, which are, mostly, incorrect.

As Iraq Burns, US Plans $500 Million to Terrorists in Syria

There never were any moderates to begin with

Incorrect.

The major moderate opposition force in Syria is the Free Syrian Army:

The Free Syrian Army is an armed opposition structure operating in Syria since the start of the Syrian civil war. Composed of defected Syrian Armed Forces personnel and volunteers, its formation was announced on 29 July 2011 in a video released on the internet by a uniformed group of deserters from the Syrian military who called upon members of the Syrian army to defect and join them.

The Free Syrian Army is moderate, secular and backed by the United States with weapons and training. In recent months these weapons have included advanced American made BGM-71 TOW anti-tank missiles. The FSA is in stark contrast with groups such as Jabhat al-Nusra which have been designated as terrorist by several Western countries; this has lead to a rift between the secular forces fighting the Syrian government and al-Qaeda linked groups such as al-Nusra and ISIS, often resulting in deaths. The FSA maintains good relations with moderate Islamist factions such as the Islamic Front.

en.wikipedia.org...

While this US sponsored black operation, ISIS, rampages through not only Iraq but also Syria, the US is still very stupidly trying to grant 500 million dollars to the Syrian opposition who are supposedly the good guys and not terrorist, that will only serve to aid and abet ISIS since Syria is fighting ISIS as well and therefore ISIS is virtually an ally to America since it is helping those trying to overthrow Assad, which includes ISIS.

Any evidence for ISIS being a US sponsored black operation?

The conflict in Syria is much more complicated than you make it out to be. It is virtually a three way war. Originally, it was the moderate opposition against the Syrian government, until extremists moved in and decided to have a crack.

From memory, the extremists and moderate opposition were originally allied, as they both wanted to overthrow Assad. The relationship was unlasting, however, as the end goals of both sides were different. The moderate opposition wanted to impose democracy after the overthrow of Assad, whereas the extremists wanted to impose their own laws onto the Syrian people, and effectively create their own state. As a result of these differences, the moderate rebels and extremists are now at odds, and are conflicting with each other.

en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...

Somebody tell me the logic behind this utter madness? Obama is definitely, as the recent poll indicated, the dumbest president since WWII actually showing himself now worse than the ignoramus George Bush…and that’s a difficult thing to do, believe me!

In my opinion, it would be wiser for the USA to support the Syrian government in maintaining control of the land, and after a resolution, convincing the government to hold proper democratic elections. It makes more sense than directly contributing to the turmoil and instability by providing one belligerent with weaponry.

Also, you shouldn't believe everything you see. I don't trust any poll, and i definitely wouldn't trust the above poll of which you reference.

Or…

This is another smoking gun proof THAT THE US IS SPONSERING ISIS IN AN ONGOING BLACK OPERATION SIMILAR TO HOW THEY ACTUALLY SUPPORT THE TALIBAN THROUGH THE PAKISTAN INTELLEGNCE SERVICE THE ISI.

Indeed, there are many things we have no idea about, but directly funding ISIS is contradictory to the long term goals of the USA and its allies, in the Middle-East. After all, why waste three wars, countless lives and billions (if not trillions) of dollars, and then let it all go to waste by ensuring the destablisation of the region later on down the track? It doesn't make sense.

That said, it would not surprise me if some ISIS operatives have been trained in the past by the USA or its allies, only then to go rogue and become extremists. It wouldn't be the first time the USA has had such tactics come back to bit them, and it won't be the last.

Get it folks the ISI now ISIS, NOW…?

No...

ISIS was originally formed in the early 2000's, in direct opposition to the coalition invasion of Iraq:

en.wikipedia.org...

Is this some kind of joke…There is no doubt the maniacal lunatic, Ali Baghdadi, who runs ISIS, is a product of the US black operation.

Again, any evidence?

All this crap was created through some black op CIA grunts using Hollywood and US cultural lore to invent ISIS, ISIL,…But lo and behold folks now a new name: this barbaric crew of US agents, ISIS, has now, without a doubt on the orders of the US black op boys, renamed themselves IS…

They renamed themselves to signify the establishment of their Islamic Caliphate. They have further goals than the domination of Iraq and Syria, so i imagine they changed their name to establish that.

Recall president Clintons famous “that depends on what the definition of IS, IS…

How about tomorrow renaming them AH for assholes!

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They're more than that. They're jihadist scum.

Everything about this guy and his public relations looks just like it is run out of 5th avenue USA hokey advertisements one would use selling soap.

There is no doubt that ISIS is good at PR and marketing. Many believe those skills to come from foreign fighters...

Overall, there really is no evidence formally linking ISIS to the USA in any way, other than the fact that their leader was once imprisoned by the USA...

originally posted by: jtma508
Gee OP, tell us how you really feel.

Unfortunately, you're making your judgment based on the way YOU think things should go. As we should have all learned by now, TPTB have their own agendas and they have very, very little to do with doing the right thing. Has nothing to do with Obama or the US. Things are going the way the 'string-pullers' want them to go. Sad but true.

There it is. Well said.

Keeping the fires burning in the Middle East is the goal. The more they in-fight and kill each other the less they can unite and focus on the common enemy.

So the arms and oil companies rub their hands with glee as more money and ordnance is dumped into the hands of this and that group to slaughter each other.

We hardly see refineries, well heads or pumping stations on fire. Countries are in ruins, governments beheaded but the oil will flow.

a reply to: intrptr

I often wonder how these rants will start with the next President...

a reply to: Willtell

And then the Military Industrial Complex will need $500 billion in tax payer dollars to go kill them.

Our government used to hide the fact that they were funding and creating radicals or funding both sides or staging false flags.

Not anymore.

Is this what Obama meant by "more transparency"?

only $500 million of monetary support for 'moderate' Muslims who fight only Syrian Army & not the USA interests...

that sounds like a cop-out to me.....the kind of thing to not Square Off against the newly named Islamic State that is totally supported by both Saudi Arabia and Qatar, because 'IS' is a radical-extremist-Suni creation which is totally against the USA puppet government of Iraq which is itself Shia oriented...

Its the same old Shia-Suni conflict but with the USA in a no-win situation...if the USA openly fights against the Islamic State then Saudi Monarchy immediately dethrones the 'PetroDollar'... so that the reason why the USA is doing this arms-length support of a 'moderate' group of anti-Assad Muslim fighters, ~so as not to pizz off the Saudi's~

I hear rumors that AQ, which distanced itself from ISIL=ISIS earlier, is going to fight against 'Islamic State' to take back the cities & territory claimed by the Caliphate in the 6 months of 2014...but that will likely not sit well with Saudi+Qatar (consider that Qatar welcomed the 5 Gitmo prisoners released for the American held prisoner for 5 years by Obama in contradiction to Congress Policy)...
and could well result in a USA Dollar Debasement/reset by July 20th this year
...or might devolve into the conflict expanding to the Turk & Kurd region & the participation of an
Iran/Syria/Russia Axis against the IS/Saudi/Gulf States/Pakistan Axis...

with the USA caught in the pincers between these two powerful forces, both the Military & Financial systems of the once dominant West will capitulate, as both China & Russia will replace the USA as the regional Arms merchant

a reply to: samsamm9

It isn't a debate about the definition of Muslim. I said ''Muslim of the agenda variety'' and seeing as they classify themselves as Muslim and are all about Islamic religion, then it is obvious that they are referred to as Muslim, regardless of how far you think they strayed from interpretations.

a reply to: St Udio

So Saudi Arabia is backing the IS in their goal to destroy the Kabba and kill everyone who worships there?
Think they will stop there and not topple Saudi Arabia or Iraq?
The Caliph wants his kingdom to stretch from Spain to China....those two nations are in his way and his biggest local competitor for control of the region.

This isn't the usual NWO/CIA oil scam everyone wants to paint it as...

btw 500 million if almost nothing if you look at the total sum:

rt.com...
The Associated Press reported that the multimillion dollar request makes up just a fraction of a larger, $65.8 billion overseas operations request sent to Congress that, if approved, would fund a number of Pentagon and State Department programs, as well as $1 billion in assistance to nations adjacent to Syria.