Good start with Canada

Hey Otts, you deal with this.....

I am a very proud Canadian. I am also very proud to be a FRENCH Canadian.

You poor Liberal flunkies have only made this country weak. You have destoyed our military and taken away our freedom with your continued
social engineering. I am looking forward to the day when your money pilfering politicians are put out of their political misery!

O.k...o.k...
I say the same thing over and over
Any way, if Canada wants to go ahead with USA and send troops somewhere and missiles in the space, do it!
WHAT CAN I DO ABOUT IT! Then you'll can say, Amelia was wrong, canadians really are warriors and we have to fight with the states our beloved neighbors, down on our knees

Maybe I speak too much for myself, the liberal chick, I must be old fashion and should have lived in the time of hippies! Now I guess, terror and war and too much into everybody's mind and my little pro-peace and love is just crap! I should be a bit more "conservative" and have different values other than love

Thanks anyway
Ameliaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Originally posted by palg1
Hey Otts, you deal with this.....

I am a very proud Canadian. I am also very proud to be a FRENCH Canadian.

You poor Liberal flunkies have only made this country weak. You have destoyed our military and taken away our freedom with your continued
social engineering. I am looking forward to the day when your money pilfering politicians are put out of their political misery!

Hey plag1, I remember what a lovely job our last Conservative gov't did selling away our natural resources. Which transalted to jobs. Try living in Atlantic Canada now. You old enough to remember how Mulroney screwed us?

"You poor Liberal flunkies have only made this country weak. You have destoyed our military and taken away our freedom (...)

Ah yes, because we should invest it all in the military, because building a culture of war and killing people is much more important and valuable than helping those in need.

We're not a perfect country, and our systems aren't perfect either. But I'll take the principles of social-democracy over those of social darwinism and survival of the fittest any day.

Originally posted by palg1
Anyway I hope Mr. Bush continues puting pressure on these "Liberals", it can only serve to speed-up a change in government. (I'm hopin' and prayin' for a vote of no-confidence)

Why so Mr Harper can bring in pay-per treatment healthcare? Hah No-Confidence would be a boon right now to the left, if another election is called i betcha any money that our PM will somehow regain the majority, and that IMO would be a bad thing. We gotta make this minority work, because Liberal Majoritys became kinda stagnant but it is much more preferable to the Conservative alternative, and as long as Ontario stays liberal then Canada is not going to go more to the right then it already has under Paul Martin... Remember the last election saw the "United Right" collectively lost alot of votes. Uniting may have givin the right more power in this country, but the fact is they LOST votes.

Overall Election Results 2004 Federal
Party Elected Vote Share
LIB 135 36.71%
CON 99 29.61%
BQ 54 12.40%
NDP 19 15.69%
NA 1 .13%
OTH 0 5.47%

Total % of the vote for Left Party's in 2004: 64.80 %
Total % of the vote for Right Party(s) in 2004: 29.61 %

Overall Election Results 2000 Federal
Party Elected Vote Share
Lib 172 40.85%
CA 66 26.13%
PC 12 12.19%
NDP 13 8.51%
PQ 38 10.72%

Total % of the vote for Left Party's in 2000: 60.08 %
Total % of the vote for Right Party(s) in 2000: 38.32 %

So as you can see the Canada is a leftist country plain and simple. Unless you believe that the past 3-4 elections were a sham

Source for Canadian Election results: en.wikipedia.org...

The thing that bothers me about this Visit, is that He waited THREE YEARS to thank them in person for helping out during the 9-11 attacks.

You have voted Majic for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

very well said, a lot more tasteful then buck fush...

ps: when I watched the cbc they kept playing the protest over and over, and there were too unpeaceful people... you get that with every so called "peaceful" protests....

Also, I am glad that Paul Martin has a backbone, I really don't think it's necessary nor is it in Canada's interest or NATURE to be anything but peace keeper's....

If America would of sticked to their non interventionalist policies as outlined in their constitution war in the middle east would of never happened, you have to go back further then just the past 12 years.....

Canada has the same non interventionalist plan that America once had.... It's no wonder nobody is interfering with Canada....And no it's not because America is our protective umbrella....

Jefferson said it best:

"Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations � entangling alliances with none." ~ Thomas Jefferson

Something the US hasn't done for quite some time.... No offense to American citizen's, this has to do with American government and their foreign policy, and their disrespect and ignorance towards the consitution.....

Arrgh! You are all sheep being led to slaughter. Wake up and smell the communism.

Unfortunately I can't stay to blast you anymore. Have a good day.

Arrgh! You are all sheep being led to slaughter. Wake up and smell the communism.

Unfortunately I can't stay to blast you anymore. Have a good day.

Originally posted by palg1
Arrgh! You are all sheep being led to slaughter. Wake up and smell the communism.

Because Martin doesn't agree with Bush's foriegn policy, Canada is being led into communism?? How do you make the connection without getting off topic??

Originally posted by palg1
Arrgh! You are all sheep being led to slaughter. Wake up and smell the communism.

Unfortunately I can't stay to blast you anymore. Have a good day.

No problem. I'll be here tomorrow.

palg - I didn't know that this was a place to be blasted, or as you would have it, "put in the right path". I thought this was a place for discussion.

I'm open to discuss any part of Canadian policy, I may even concede some points to you, if you give me something to think about. But your posts contained opinion, not information. I'm not going to change my mind because someone states his opinion.

Canada's liberal party is not left, just as the USs Democrats are not left. Sure, the name's can be confusing and suggestive, but that doesnt mean thats what they are doing. In the united states at least, it seems like the citizens are taught what to be, and not necessarily why to be like that. Ask the average bush voter what right wing means, and i dont think you will get very accurate answers. I just hear right left thrown around all the time, and i dont think i know exactly what both mean. From what I can gather the state of todays world is caused moslty by a few people gaining incredible power over other people through money. But isnt this the ultimate goal of the right-minded person? again, i dont have a good understanding of it, because I always just hear the words thrown back and forth, and not the meaning behind the words.

Originally posted by sardion2000
So as you can see the Canada is a leftist country plain and simple. Unless you believe that the past 3-4 elections were a sham

I disagree - Canada is more middle of the road - call it Liberal-Conservatives...or vice versa...

case in point - Harper had the election won - according to all the polls - a month before the election. Liberals ran a last minute "Harper = Bush" fear campaign...and the tides quickly turned

Canada is middle of the road politically - and the vast majority have a distaste for both the extreme right AND left

Originally posted by afklop
Canada's liberal party is not left, just as the USs Democrats are not left. Sure, the name's can be confusing and suggestive, but that doesnt mean thats what they are doing. In the united states at least, it seems like the citizens are taught what to be, and not necessarily why to be like that. Ask the average bush voter what right wing means, and i dont think you will get very accurate answers. I just hear right left thrown around all the time

Whether you are a right or left wing political spectator sadly the majority is indoctrinated, not educated....

Most people get their news from media television and opinionated commentators like hannity and colmes, as well as bill oreilly, joe scarborough, chris matthews, ect.... It's alot easier to listen and indoctrinate yourself unknowingly then it is to do your own research and come to your conclusions.

Canada has their checks and balances, similar to the US, but also different, Paul Martin ultimately makes the decision, which is something that the US is becoming more and more like the more and more the US consitution turns into swiss cheese......

No countries politics are perfect, but I do see Canada progressing more with social policies then the US, I see Canada progessing better with fiscal policies, and slow but sure improvement in socialized health care... Face it, Canada is still a young contry, improvement takes time, but I think you will see drastic changes in Canada in the near future, and for the better... The economy is slowly becoming stronger and stronger and thats because when you adapt to the times, progression can only be for the better...

It's not the exact same kind of democracy the US has, but if you really get down to it, the word democracy by definition is something the US and Canada cannot honestly stand by...

A Side note, If Canadian citizen's and American citizen's can keep the peace and have good relations this will show a mutual understanding that politics is politics and should never interfere with personal relationships... Martin and Bush are the leaders and you will always have people disagree with their decisions... It's part of the game...


I don't hate my husband because he sees politics different then me... Same should go with Canada and USA....

Both countries have their pros and cons, neither are perfect, but in a good relationship, flaws are overlooked and the spirit of love and peace should be able to shine through...


I hope one day we'll all be able to join hands and sing kumbya no matter how corny it sounds... It's for the well being of both countries citizen's....

Politics doesn't make the country
The leaders don't make the country
Policies don't make the country....


It's the people who make the country....



[edit on 2-12-2004 by TrueLies]

Originally posted by rayzor11

Originally posted by sardion2000
So as you can see the Canada is a leftist country plain and simple. Unless you believe that the past 3-4 elections were a sham

I disagree - Canada is more middle of the road - call it Liberal-Conservatives...or vice versa...

case in point - Harper had the election won - according to all the polls - a month before the election. Liberals ran a last minute "Harper = Bush" fear campaign...and the tides quickly turned

Canada is middle of the road politically - and the vast majority have a distaste for both the extreme right AND left

You are sidestepping the data. More and more canadians are rejecting right-wing parties altogther. Shall I dig deeper into electoral history to make my point? Again? Liberal voters who were pissed at the Libs for curruption DIDN'T convert over the the right. They slid more left. Pay attention to the record(or near record) number of socialist voters. Shall I bring up scientific polls into this as well? The tide has been shifting away from Conservatism for a while, ever since Bullrony. Man who was that sorry sop he threw to the wolves when he 'retired'? That was a shamefull display. The only reason the scare tactics worked is because the memories of past conservative is rather distastfull and fresh in alot of minds and the commercials I saw were all too true. Allthough it didn't get me to vote Liberal as I live in Laytons(pretty much sure win allthough it was alot close than ppl expected) riding so I voted green.

Very true Sardion. I've voted for all three of the major parties in my time but with Harper there, I voted NDP. Slid a little further left. In NO way do I consider Canada or myself Communist. BTW a true communistic gov't, not what the US media machine would have you believe, wouldn't be a bad thing. Only problem with it would be human nature, thus it will never happen.

Originally posted by sardion2000
You are sidestepping the data. More and more canadians are rejecting right-wing parties altogther. Shall I dig deeper into electoral history to make my point? Again? Liberal voters who were pissed at the Libs for curruption DIDN'T convert over the the right. They slid more left. Pay attention to the record(or near record) number of socialist voters. Shall I bring up scientific polls into this as well? The tide has been shifting away from Conservatism for a while, ever since Bullrony. Man who was that sorry sop he threw to the wolves when he 'retired'? That was a shamefull display. The only reason the scare tactics worked is because the memories of past conservative is rather distastfull and fresh in alot of minds and the commercials I saw were all too true. Allthough it didn't get me to vote Liberal as I live in Laytons(pretty much sure win allthough it was alot close than ppl expected) riding so I voted green.

I'm not sidestepping data - just your interpretation of the data

"more socialist voters" is simply not true

except for a couple of minor issues (govt spending NOT being one of them!) the Liberal and Conservative parties are almost exactly the same. Both very far from their traditional extreme roots. One of the main differences I stated in another thread is no matter who is running in the US, 90% voted exactly the same as they did the prev 2 elections...and in Canada, that number is below 50%....meaning Canadians tend to look at what either party has to offer, regardless of the "liberal/conservative" label.

Harper lost because the last minute campaign had nothing to do with Mulroney, Harris et all and more about Canadians fearing the "evil extreme prairie right"...just as much as the majority fear the "evil extreme left" like the NDP

to argue the socialist stance would mean an NDP, etc domination...to call the modern liberal party "socialist" is a joke

Originally posted by intrepid
Hey plag1, I remember what a lovely job our last Conservative gov't did selling away our natural resources. Which transalted to jobs. Try living in Atlantic Canada now. You old enough to remember how Mulroney screwed us?

Hey plag1, I'm in Ontario. We had conservatives. They sold away our future. Are you young enough to see how badly my education -and millions of other's- got effed in the ass? Remember the 'double cohort'? Or the insane tuitions that I had to pay, and that others continue to pay?

I don't agree with the liberal party's decisions all the time...but compared to the Conservative party, they are clearly the lesser of the two.

DE