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originally posted by: Wrabbit2000
a reply to: WarminIndy
I'd go with what Zaph said. Some staff writer looked across the room at a wall map and said 'Hawaii looks about half way, huh?'. So it became, he survived half way across the Pacific. (Never mind poor Midway, named for it's more fitting position..lol)
originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: WarminIndy
What? You expect a writer to do their job, and get something right?
originally posted by: VforVendettea
a reply to: Wrabbit2000
Guess he didn't want to get the TSA grope down.
A 16 year old without a ticket can get onto a plane undetected and they call the swat team if you have a pair of nail clippers or 3 oz of shampoo.
The people need to start voting with their pocketbooks, hitting up their friends with pilots licenses and planes for domestic travel.
Once the airlines start to operate at a loss you will see things begin to change in our favor.
People (and Government thugs) will treat you as badly as you are willing to accept.
Barnes said the boy, under "cover of darkness," climbed a perimeter fence sometime between Saturday night and Sunday morning. He then walked or ran across the airport ramp and got inside the wheel well of Hawaiian Airlines flight 45 that left San Jose at 7:55 a.m. and landed five-and-a-half hours later at Kahului Airport in Maui.
Barnes said cameras did not capture the perimeter breach, but that there is surveillance footage of "an unidentified person walking on the airport ramp and approaching" the plane.
The Hawaiian Airlines gate is the northernmost gate at the airport, and the northwest area of the airport grounds is not heavily occupied. Barnes said that overnight, most of the gates are occupied by planes, and the first bank of flights typically depart starting at 6:30 a.m.
originally posted by: roadgravel
He then walked or ran across the airport ramp and got inside the wheel well of Hawaiian Airlines flight 45 that left San Jose at 7:55 a.m. and landed five-and-a-half hours later at Kahului Airport in Maui.
FBI spokesman Tom Simon in Honolulu told The Associated Press on Sunday night that the boy was questioned by the FBI after being discovered on the tarmac at the Maui airport with no identification.
Simon said security footage from the San Jose airport verified that the boy from Santa Clara, Calif., hopped a fence to get to Hawaiian Airlines Flight 45 on Sunday morning.
He passed out in the air and didn't regain consciousness until an hour after the plane landed in Hawaii, Simon said. When he came to, he climbed out of the wheel well and was immediately seen by airport personnel who escorted him inside where he was interviewed by the FBI, Simon said.
It was not immediately clear how the boy stayed alive in the unpressurized space, where temperatures at cruising altitude can fall well below zero and the air is too thin for humans to stay conscious.
The FAA says 105 stowaways have sneaked aboard 94 flights worldwide since 1947, and about 1 out of 4 survived. But agency studies say the actual numbers are probably higher, as some survivors may have escaped unnoticed, and bodies could fall into the ocean undetected.
In August, a 13- or 14-year-old boy in Nigeria survived a 35-minute trip in the wheel well of a domestic flight after stowing away. Authorities credited the flight's short duration and its altitude of about 25,000 feet. Others who hid in wheel wells have died, including a 16-year-old killed aboard a flight from Charlotte, N.C., to Boston in 2010 and a man who fell onto a suburban London street as a flight from Angola began its descent in 2012.
It's not hard at all" to climb inside the wheel well, said Jose Wolfman Guillen, a ground operations coordinator at Chicago's O'Hare International Airport. "You can grab onto the struts and landing gear assembly kind of like a ladder, and you just jump on the tire and climb into the wheel well."
Inside, there's not much room -- even less than in the trunk of a car, Guillen said. A stowaway would need to guess "where the tire is going to fold in when it closes after takeoff. There's a high risk of getting crushed once the gear starts going in."
During the flight, "the interior guts of the aircraft, they're pretty exposed inside the wheel well, so there's a lot of stuff you can hold on to," Guillen adds. "It's just a matter of holding on to it for the duration of the flight and maintaining your grip when the gear opens up and not falling out. If you fell out, you could get horribly mangled or dragged on the runway."
"On a 767 and other wide bodies, there are small latched doors that a very small and fit person can (use to) access the wheel wells for maintenance. You could access the passenger cabin from the wheel wells, but again, some knowledge of the anatomy of the aircraft is required. I wouldn't know how to do it." www.cnn.com...
It all depends on whether the bad guys have an A team left to send against the US or not.
originally posted by: Wrabbit2000
a reply to: pheonix358
You know, I have no clue why we still rely on human eyeballs to security cameras as the primary means of catching a problem? It's silly... One thing I learned a long time ago. A human being can watch those screens for only so long before something right in front of them will be missed on the 'we see what we expect to see' phenomenon.
I have a $20 webcam with software that didn't cost much more running my carport security here. It's not what I'd recommend for an airport of course..lol... but it's capable of seeing people well enough to distinguish from across the screen on a new moon, given the ambient city light to enhance. It detects motion by simple pixel analysis in real time to see how many pixels changed. Not some IR or Thermal motion that can be faked by slow movement or other ways...but pixel comparison. Fool that one without expenses which would make other means better anyway.
This kid should never ..ever...have been able to do this, the more I think of it. It won't take billions and a new agency or a new press worthy program. It'll take some new software..or MORE likely, config changes to what they already have and a very blunt statement to the labor people who won't be happy 'Deal with it..or go stand the post yourself'.
That would do wonders.