reply to post by TheToastmanCometh
What is the picture of first of all?
It's a frame from the Kumburgaz footage filmed by Yalcin Yalman
Secondly, how sure was Arnold's speed of the object?
I don't when Arnold obtain his pilots license, but he was 16 when he took his first flying lessons and 32 years old when he had his first sighting,
in his book he states:
"Since 1944 I have spent more than 4,000 hours in the air flying in mountainous country. I call on my customers in five western states by plane and
I take an active part in the Idaho Search and Rescue mercy flights as well as acting as a deputy sheriff for the Ada County, Idaho, Sheriff's Aerial
Posse. I also act as relief deputy Federal United States Marshal; and frequently fly Federal prisoners up to McNeil Island Federal Penitentiary."
So he was an experienced pilot who knew the terrain.
As for the objects speed you can only go off what he said and the method he used to reach his conclusion:
"Even though they held a constant direction they swerved in and out of the high mountain peaks which are found on the hogsback of the Cascade
mountains between Mount Rainier and Mount Adams. I determined my distance from their pathway to be in the vicinity of twenty-three miles because I
knew where I was and they revealed their true position by disappearing from my sight momentarily behind a jagged peak that juts out from the base of
Mount Rainier proper. Considering that I was flying all this time in the direction of their formation, this determination can be only approximate, but
it is not too far off.
Between Mount Rainier and Mount Adams there is a very high plateau with quite definite north and south edges. Part of this chain-like formation
traveled above this plateau toward Mount Adams, while part of the formation actually dipped below the near edge. As the first unit of these craft
cleared the southernmost edge of this background, the last of the formation was just entering the northern edge. I later flew over this plateau in my
plane and came to a close approximation that this whole formation of craft, whatever they were, formed a chain in the neighborhood of five miles
As the last of this group of objects sped past and seemed to gather altitude at a point beyond the southernmost crest of Mount Adams, I glanced
at the sweep second hand of my instrument clock. As closely as I could determine, this strange formation of aircraft had covered the distance between
Mount Rainier to the north and Mount Adams to the south in one minute and forty-two seconds."
"When I landed at the large airfield at Pendleton there was quite a group of people to greet me. When I got out of my plane no one said anything.
They just stood around and looked at me. I don't recall just how the subject came up in those first few minutes after I had landed, but before very
long it seemed everybody around the airfield was listening to the story of my experience. I mentioned the speed I had calculated but assured everybody
that I was positive that my mathematics were lousy.
I don't know how many fellows sat down and started figuring it out ...When it kept coming out in excess of seventeen hundred miles an hour I
thought, "Holy smoke, we're taking the measurement of distance far too high up on both Mount Rainier and Mount Adams." So we took a measurement of
the very base, as closely as it could be determined, and which I knew from the map was far below the snow line. The distance was 39.8 miles. Even
covering this distance, which was so far on the conservative side that I knew it was incorrect, we still had a speed of over thirteen hundred and
fifty miles per hour. To me, that evening, that was that. They were guided missiles, robotly controlled. I knew that speeds of this velocity the human
body simply could not stand, particularly considering the flipping, erratic movements of these strange craft."
For what it's worth, I believe that Arnold witnessed something that was not of this world, because I saw similar things in 1997, the description and
circumstances differ slightly but I think they were essentially the same craft.