Hi all, this is my first thread here. This is a wide topic that we'll hopefully be able to delve deeply into.
So there have been tons of threads on Sun-gods, Israel, Jesus, etc. etc. They usually break down into 2 camps, defending the historicity and non
pagan-ness of Jesus, vs. the it's all bunk crowd, or God=Satan.
I'd like to find a middle ground, and the concept of a middle ground or something in the midst of is going to be an important concept in this thread.
The middle ground is that I believe Jesus is the fulfillment of every Religion. He is the axis mundi of civilization. Just to get it out of the
way, for me, I don't care if Jesus is a real guy, for me the myth is whats important. That is what all ancient history is, myth. Myth is a vessel
that carries a deep truth. Lets call that truth a seed, or a sea-man, the semen enters into the vessel or ship, which is why ships, are women. Thats
why Christ has a bride (made of men and women), we are the vessel for the Seed, which is the idea, or the Logos. The truth is carried in the midst of
the myth. (And with that I do think Jesus was a real guy, but that is not the point)
That seed is carried along from myth to myth. There are corruptions along the way, but I believe that there is a framework of archetypes that are
central to our consciousness, these are the markers for the way home. These are the symbols that are everywhere in our world. From abstract down to
letters. Thats what a letter is, it is a placeholder for a sound, or in the more ancient alphabets, each letter had a meaning. Words are are also
carriers of something "else". What do you think of when I write the word 'dog'? Your pet? An annoying dog barking. The word dog is a symbol or
placeholder or image/icon for a whole species. Yet if you don't read english and you see 'dog' it might have a totally different connotation in
your language, or mean nothing at all.
In the same way we see all these symbols that are shared throughout the history of man, yet we cannot read them. Partly because of multiple purges.
I don't know all the reasonings, or motives, or all the details obviously, but power is always a great motivator, and religion has been used to wield
great power. These are the empire builders, the powers that be, this is what is referred to as Babylon the great in the book of Revelation. These
are the principalities and powers. Anyone that uses the archetypes to elevate themselves above others. Religious leaders, politicians, etc.
(angels, gods, aliens, whatever not the point)
Opposed to these powers are the Truth bearers. Truth is seen as fire, or a torch, the light on a hill, the sun. Prometheus is punished by the gods
for sharing truth with humans. These are those that walk according to the Spirit, as Paul would say. These are those with the halo of the sun around
their heads, as the sun is a crown to them. Your mind/soul is the receptacle/vessel of the sun/seed/spirit.
This concept of the mind/soul/female/vessel for the Spirit/male/seed/sun, is the meaning behind the vast majority of solar worship IMO, and the truth
behind the sexual rites. The powers abused the symbol of the man entering the woman being the sun-god impregnating the earth/moon woman. Instead of
understanding the concept behind the symbol, they literalized the symbol. And eventually this degraded into cult prostitution. Or in the case of
Cybele and Attic, the actual castration of men in the rite. I think Paul referred to this in Galatians when he tells them if they want to be
circumcised they should go castrate themselves. Here Paul is criticizing the Judaizers or those that wanted to hold on to the Law, by comparing it to
the baseness of the Cybele cult. The law here is the literal symbol. Literal circumcision is about as good as literal castration. But Paul also
talks about the circumcision of the heart. That is the reality, or the spiritual truth. Literal circumcision and the story given about it is a myth
that carried a seed. That seed was the truth of the being given a new heart, a divine heart.
The letter vs. The spirit is all throughout Pauls writings. Jesus spoke of those who have eyes to see and ears to hear. The book of Hebrews has the
earthly jerusalem which is Hagar, the bondservant, vs. Sarah the heavenly Jerusalem. Stone heart vs. Flesh heart. But we don't have a stone heart
to begin with, we have an actual flesh heart. So stone=flesh vs. flesh=Spirit.
The problem is when the spiritual truths become carnalized, and the heard hearted become the teachers, and preachers. When the blind are leading the
blind, by trying to argue about a literal 6 day creation, and miss the fact that that creation narrative is symbolic of the formation of the New man
in US. Even to this day their minds are veiled, Paul says. They can't see past the veil of flesh, the veil woven of babylonian design, the matrix
that covers the reality.
When the hardened minded take power they purge the past. We see it with Islam destroying buddhist shrines now. It happened with Rome. It happened
with Josiah and the Deuteronomic purge. Prior to Josiah in the 500's BC, Jews and Israelites worshipped the same pantheon of gods that the nations
around them did. Josiah then "found" the Torah, and they started doing all this stuff they'd never done before. All the sudden all these pagan
symbols they had been openly using became bad.
I would suggest reading www.margaretbarker.com
for some background on this.
Now I know I've ticked off a ton of christians, jews and muslims. I'm not trying to broadly label, or libel. What I'm saying is blasphemy, I
know. But there are many clues. My goal in this thread is to illuminate the thread of truth that goes back to the beginning.
So to the title of the thread from Egypt to Israel. When Israel left Egypt they were given gold by the egyptians. On the outside this means literal
gold, but I don't care what literally happened at the exodus. But the inner meaning is divinity. They plundered their treasures of knowledge,
wisdom, truth. Then God says "make everything according to the pattern that I showed you on the mountain." They used all the treasure of the
egyptians and created the ark, and tabernacle, and utensils. These are symbols, that are blatantly "pagan" in origin, and yet aren't condemned,
until Jeremiah removes the ark, and the bronze serpent, after people started worshipping them. Well they were worshipping them all along, and that is
what is condemned. The creature is not the creator. The symbol is not the reality.
But yet the symbol is still useful, it is in the fabric of our DNA. Jesus likened himself to the bronze serpent, lifted up in the wilderness. He is
also likened to the ark. He is also likened to the tabernacle. And so are you and I. These very egyptian/Sumerian symbols are there to point us to
the truth. These symbols are the vessel for the Truth. The zodiac is a vessel. The sun-god myths are vessels. The vessel that carried Moses was a
woven basket. A tale is woven, or the old saying of "he spun a yarn", or even a thread on the internet. These all speak of weaving, of tapestries,
which are the tales or myths that convey truth. The shield of a family tells a story. All of these very visual symbols tell stories. What is the
point of the story?, not stories, but STORY….