Islamic militants trying to ruin state education.

from bbc

According to this report there's a schism going on in Birmingham that apparently affects 12 schools, where some bunch of backward nutters are trying to islamify ordinary schools because the secular state system isn't middle ages enough for the next generation of holy warriors.

What is wrong with people?

I find this whole story, if true, really worrying. I feel that there is too much pandering to the political correctness, which constrains acting against the selfish, bullying and life inhibiting minority. This type of action may be OK in Pakistan, or some other backward country, but not the UK. It has to be tackled and order restored without compromising the need for children to be properly educated without all this crap.

Regards

An alleged plot to oust some Birmingham head teachers and make their schools adhere to more Islamic principles is being investigated, it has emerged.

A letter detailing the plan, known as "Operation Trojan Horse", claims responsibility for leadership changes at four schools.

reply to post by paraphi

Yeah, it's rare that the beeb would even report something like this unless there's real iron clad proof.

reply to post by SprocketUK

Trojan Horse's Five Steps:
Identify 'target schools' based in Muslim areas.
Select a group of Salafi parents within the school community.
The letter says they are "most committed to Islam" and "once charged up they keep going for longer".
Install a governor within the school to "drip feed" ideals for a Muslim school
Identify "weak and disgruntled staff" and encourage them to complain so an external investigation is launched
Instigate an anonymous letter campaign to local MPs, education authorities and others

I read about this earlier today on the Daily Mail website...if you can bring yourself to believe they would run such a story.

This really doesn't surprise me - if it is true. Schools are extremely easy places to manipulate and when you take into account that most teachers, of the current crop, are incapable of independent thought, easily led and love a good drama, whipping up a frenzy in a school is rather easy. I've seen it happen under different cirumstances.

Would this happen, realistically, in a Muslim area? I don't want to tar all Muslims with the same brush as I have a couple of very good Muslim friends, but yes. It could also happen with any other group - religious or otherwise - who were looking to subvert the education system.

Smear campaigns, again, are all too common in the British education system and it is easy to instigate a witch hunt. Again, I've seen it done for no reason other than someone's face and ideals didn't fit in with a new regime at a school.

I hope it's not true. I really do, but, if I'm being totally honest, I believe it probably is. That scares me. I hope that a proper investigation is carried out and the finding made transparent and public.

Cado

Education is the antidote for religious fundamentalism. Religious nuts cannot seem to grasp the concept of secularism. While I am of the opinion that people should be free to practice whatever religion they so choose, I believe citizens should also be free from religion (if that is their inclination) as well.

reply to post by paraphi

This type of action may be OK in Pakistan, or some other backward country, but not the UK.

Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha

They are taking notes from the US fundamentalist groups I see.

Bass Akwards welcome to our world.

FatherStacks
Education is the antidote for religious fundamentalism. Religious nuts cannot seem to grasp the concept of secularism. While I am of the opinion that people should be free to practice whatever religion they so choose, I believe citizens should also be free from religion (if that is their inclination) as well.

Amen, brother...or should I rephrase that?

Rarely do I ever read anything so succinct or so perfect. FatherStacks, I salute you for this. Perfection in three lines.

Grimpachi

Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha

They are taking notes from the US fundamentalist groups I see.

Yeah, those uptight religious Christian jerks here would probably get along famously with their Muslim counterparts around the globe. More similarities than differences.

Where we are in Canada we had some french elitists do the same thing to our english/french bilingual high school here in my home town...totally ruined the system to the point that the first unilingual student grads from the new french school had to return to repeat parts of their secondary education...

it isn't just Muslims, or overzealous francophones...
its how the ptb screw up the biggots by divide and con qure

just wait the British government lets in enough Muslims and sharia law gets voted in democratically and then they start closing down the liqueur stores


not to worry though
this is just blow back from things like britsh patroleum's installation of the shaw of iran for example...which really messed up their schools

Danbones
just wait the British government lets in enough Muslims and sharia law gets voted in democratically and then they start closing down the liqueur stores

At which point I finally snap, start stuffing rags in my supplies of JD and and Remy, light them up and let rip with a smoke in my mouth and a porn mag in my back pocket.

Fortunately, I don't think that this will ever happen.

reply to post by SprocketUK


Sounds like the U.S. Except diffferent militants are doing it.

In more seriousness though, it doesn't seem to me that this is the norm. The title even says it. Militants. Those loudmouths always get all the attention and get everyone painted with their broad brush, don't they?

reply to post by cado angelus

an i wouldn't blame you
i just don't think the muslims are the problem...
its a little higher up the tree

just like the evilangelicals in the us
we know who paid scofield to write their little bible

Ya but there are people around the western world who love to see this happen here as well , even on here people claim schools are brain washing our kids or the governments dumbing them down with school .

I guess to some the better option is to go back to the stone age. Forget education screw progress it was a much better time when we all thought the world was flat running around with our pitch forks looking for witches to burn alive and wait for one of many many gods around the world to save us or damn us.. Ya those were the glory days .

No we need to be promoting more state ran education systems everyone has a right to basic education

I wonder how many people still the earth was flat until the first satellite image of our planet.

Danbones
reply to post by cado angelus

 

an i wouldn't blame you
i just don't think the muslims are the problem...
its a little higher up the tree

just like the evilangelicals in the us
we know who paid scofield to write their little bible

I'm certainly not saying that it's just Muslims that are the problem. To me, any religious (or otherwise, for that matter) group that tries to impose their views, will and ideals on anyone else is equally at fault. Now, I fully understand that this may be taken to the extreme and some may argue that Parliament passing a law is one group imposing their will on another is the same, but it's not. Whilst our democracy may not be perfect it's far better than the alternatives. At least we get - to some point, at least, to have our say. We do not, on the whole, need to subvert things.

No system is perfect and there will always be those who wish to follow their own agenda for their own personal gain but I like to believe that what we have is better than what a lot of other countries have. Yes, Human Rights legislation and Europe might be a bit of a pain in the backside sometimes, but they are standing up people's inherent rights. Who gave us these rights? Well, that's a different argument for a different day but I hope you see what I'm saying.

As a Muslim , i have to reject this and say it sounds like hogwash ...

Really if Muslim parents were concerned about their kids "Islamic" education ,why not enroll them into the local islamic schools? Here in CA they have them at the local masjid (mosque) it's free ! And they get to learn unfiltered history .

And one more thing for all you islamaphobia folks .. Sharia law only applies to Muslims, and to be Muslim one would have to summit their will to god , how can you force anyone to do this ?

LightningStrikesHere
As a Muslim , i have to reject this and say it sounds like hogwash ...

Really if Muslim parents were concerned about their kids "Islamic" education ,why not enroll them into the local islamic schools? Here in CA they have them at the local masjid (mosque) it's free ! And they get to learn unfiltered history .

And one more thing for all you islamaphobia folks .. Sharia law only applies to Muslims, and to be Muslim one would have to summit their will to god , how can you force anyone to do this ?

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I agree entirely with what you're saying about if you want your kid to have a religious education, enrol them in a religious school. I have no problem with that. If that's what you want for your kids, do it - I can't claim I agree - and that's any religion - not just Islam.

In terms of your Sharia point, the Catholic Church had a damned good attempt at forcing people to believe and so have others.

I don't know about how things are in CA, but in the UK, we have had things like this happen...

Daily Mail (of course)

I just wish people would live and let live, really.

reply to post by cado angelus


Yes ,indeed in response to the link .
One must understand that allot of muslims fallow leaders who are misguided them selfs . do i agree with their "no alcohol" protest ? Sure ! ...but... For muslims.. What these protesters have to understand is that #1 they are not in an Islamic country ,#2 their is no caliph or sharia law in UK ,

So in conclusion if they have issues then simply put the Muslims of UK need to move to an ISLAMIC country ...

reply to post by SprocketUK


I do all I can to defend Muslims, but when they want to change everything to something we do not want, I can't stand by their side.

It makes me sad, so many Muslims I know are kind and peaceful people, the few always ruin it for the many :/

LightningStrikesHere
reply to post by cado angelus

 

Yes ,indeed in response to the link .
One must understand that allot of muslims fallow leaders who are misguided them selfs . do i agree with their "no alcohol" protest ? Sure ! ...but... For muslims.. What these protesters have to understand is that #1 they are not in an Islamic country ,#2 their is no caliph or sharia law in UK ,

So in conclusion if they have issues then simply put the Muslims of UK need to move to an ISLAMIC country ...

My friend, I could not agree more. It's a shame when anyone is led on a such a misguided path - whatever that path may be.

And the same applies to the multitude of Brits abroad who complaint when they get arrested in Dubai for various things, or those in Spain who just want everyone to speak English and serve fry ups.

It's just plain wrong.

I laughed my head off when I recently saw an English Defence League - Spain - group on Facebook. Some people just don't understand irony.

reply to post by LightningStrikesHere


my liqure store line is an anti biggot joke, btw
stars on your posts
I think there are a lot of cosmopolitan people who realize it takes all kinds
and saddly there are those who would like to take all kinds