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oblvion
reply to post by crazyewok
I am more of the libertarian mind set, "free thinking". I would never vote for anyone because they had a certain letter by their name.
I voted the last 2 presidential election for the only incorruptible man in American politics. "the good doctor" the esteemed Ron Paul.
He has the most consistent voting record of any politician in modern times. He never took bribes, he never let the lobbyists talk him away from his values.
He was in fact the only politician I ever felt I could believe. No wonder both parties fought so hard to keep him down.
crazyewok
reply to post by jimmyx
I don’t support any at the moment, I’m waiting for the next election to see what springs up.
Labour Screwed the UK into 2 pointless wars and nearly catastrophic debt and crippling bureaucracy and Conservatives seem to focused on protecting there rich buddies and while draining the public for money and gutting pubic services while not actually cutting things like the previous governments bureaucracy and other pointless do dos that could save more money that bullying the general public. Not to mention the billions owed in tax evasion.
By the way I never even mentioned the word tax. So I suggest getting new reading glasses.
I just take exception at:
1)bureaucracy
2) Double standards in tax rules between the rich and poor
3) Giving billions in foreign bribes....sorry "aid" to countrys like India and China that dont need it. While we are in massive debt. Cuts should begain abroad not at home
4) Illegal wars
edit on 28-2-2014 by crazyewok because: (no reason given)
thisguyrighthere
jimmyx
reply to post by crazyewok
so...crazywok...what political group in England do you favor? or for that matter, in the world?....in many of the African and third world countries, you have total freedom, (as long as you have money for bribes)....you get to own any type of automatic weapon you want (as long as it is ok with the local warlord)...you get to have your own protective police force (as long as you have enough money to hire them)...you get to have food, shelter, and clothing (as long as you have the money to pay for it)....so how is this different from paying taxes?...
It's not. That's the problem.
Taxation at the barrel of a gun is just "nicer" phrasing than extortion at the barrel of a gun. No real difference. Glad you can see that.edit on 28-2-2014 by thisguyrighthere because: (no reason given)
jimmyx
thisguyrighthere
jimmyx
reply to post by crazyewok
so...crazywok...what political group in England do you favor? or for that matter, in the world?....in many of the African and third world countries, you have total freedom, (as long as you have money for bribes)....you get to own any type of automatic weapon you want (as long as it is ok with the local warlord)...you get to have your own protective police force (as long as you have enough money to hire them)...you get to have food, shelter, and clothing (as long as you have the money to pay for it)....so how is this different from paying taxes?...
It's not. That's the problem.
Taxation at the barrel of a gun is just "nicer" phrasing than extortion at the barrel of a gun. No real difference. Glad you can see that.edit on 28-2-2014 by thisguyrighthere because: (no reason given)
what country do you live in where a government puts a gun to your head if you don't pay taxes? you have a trial, and if you lose, you do some jail time...if you don't pay off, or pay back, a warlord, you do six-feet-in-a-hole time.
“When I left there, it’s been bugging me for weeks now, why IRS agents are training with a semi-automatic rifle AR-15, which has stand-off capability,” Duncan told POLITICO. “Are Americans that much of a target that you need that kind of capability?”
Read more: www.politico.com...
thisguyrighthere
jimmyx
thisguyrighthere
jimmyx
reply to post by crazyewok
so...crazywok...what political group in England do you favor? or for that matter, in the world?....in many of the African and third world countries, you have total freedom, (as long as you have money for bribes)....you get to own any type of automatic weapon you want (as long as it is ok with the local warlord)...you get to have your own protective police force (as long as you have enough money to hire them)...you get to have food, shelter, and clothing (as long as you have the money to pay for it)....so how is this different from paying taxes?...
It's not. That's the problem.
Taxation at the barrel of a gun is just "nicer" phrasing than extortion at the barrel of a gun. No real difference. Glad you can see that.edit on 28-2-2014 by thisguyrighthere because: (no reason given)
what country do you live in where a government puts a gun to your head if you don't pay taxes? you have a trial, and if you lose, you do some jail time...if you don't pay off, or pay back, a warlord, you do six-feet-in-a-hole time.
I live in America of course. Land of the free and home of the brave.
“When I left there, it’s been bugging me for weeks now, why IRS agents are training with a semi-automatic rifle AR-15, which has stand-off capability,” Duncan told POLITICO. “Are Americans that much of a target that you need that kind of capability?”
Read more: www.politico.com...
Must be Nerf AR's loaded with love pellets.
BritofTexas
reply to post by Flatfish
The GOP only complains about spending only if it's on the poor and needy.
Corporations, Wall Street, Their own Pockets, Oppression, all worthy causes for Taxpayer money.
Even the Republican candidate for Texas Governor is off to an early start.....
Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott's office was working on an appeal Thursday of a federal judge's decision to lift the state's ban on gay marriage.
Republican Wasting More Money
Bassago
reply to post by Flatfish
Much of this seems to stem from the overreach of federal government. Basically the feds hate the idea of state rights that don't agree with whoever happens to be in power at the moment.
As example, you won't see the DOJ jumping in to defend constitutional rights in Connecticut over their ridiculous anti 2nd amendment law to register all those "assault weapons" but if that law down in Arizona to let private business owners refuse service to gay people would have passed... whoo boy. You can bet the DOJ would have been all over it.
This is all about ideological control and as long as they hold the purse strings we're screwed. Dems and GOP are both to blame and we'd be better of without either of them. That goes for lawyers too.
John Boehner has skimmed $742,000 in House funds to defend DOMA, but his cap on the DOMA defense fund is actually $3.1 million taxpayer dollars.
In January, Speaker John Boehner and the House Republican leadership secretly raised the spending cap on their DOMA defense fund a third time to $3.1 million. The cap is now more than six times its original $500,000 limit. Democrats had no idea that the cap had been secretly raised until after it had already been finalized.
Bilk22
reply to post by Flatfish
How much is it costing us for the Obama Justice Dept to defend their scandals and spying?
And you think that will be a good thing? You have a very mixed up view of things.
Flatfish
Bilk22
reply to post by Flatfish
How much is it costing us for the Obama Justice Dept to defend their scandals and spying?
Not sure, but before you end up with your foot in your mouth, I'd wait to see who comes out the winner in whatever cases it is that you're talking about.
So far, the Feds. track record for winning isn't that bad. It's the states, more specifically the GOP controlled states, who are losing their asses and having their laws overturned on an almost daily basis.
Bilk22
And you think that will be a good thing? You have a very mixed up view of things.
It is often the case that these lawsuits are brought to bear by private citizens and/or private organizations like Planned Parenthood, who are being discriminated against and not by the federal government.
On top of that, your outspoken distaste for lawyers could also be part of the problem.
Bassago
reply to post by Flatfish
Uh huh, sure like the feds would never support a progressive group like Planned Parenthood. Right.
Don't get me wrong on that example though, I support PP but that's irrelevant to the issue.
Bassago
If every lawyer on earth were dropped into the middle of the ocean today the world would be a better place tomorrow. I don't have distaste for lawyers, I despise them as parasites. Have a nice day.
originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: Flatfish
Perhaps you misspoke but, are you saying that you think sharia law has a place in society?