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KrzYma
There is no nothing, and after we can do something adding this to nothing, I say, there is everything, we need to learn how to use it.
You're confused. Dark energy has nothing to do with what you've been talking about, and this is the second time you've mentioned it totally out of context, which makes it seem like you really have no idea what you're talking about.
Time to throw the old theories away for new ones ! I'm afraid the MS scientists will "discover" some new kind of boundary-energy or invisible boundary-matter spooky thing that fits the old model and explain the new observations...
It seems to me like the example in the video that Uranus was sort of a "dark matter" like prediction, and Uranus was eventually found, should reduce your skepticism of dark matter, yet you seem to be posting this video as if it should make us skeptical about dark matter. It seems illogical to me, or are you denying the existence of Uranus?
ErosA433
I have worked for 4 years on the experiment I am a collaborator on, which is a dark matter detector. Before this I did a 4 year PhD on a neutrino physics experiment. I am more experimental than theoretical, though have to understand the theory as a matter of principle.
We typically split it into Baryonic and non-baryonic dark matter, Baryonic dark matter is regular stuff like, brown dwarfs black holes sub dwarfs, neutron stars, rogue planets, dust... etc...
Non-baryonic dark matter is the stuff that appears not to fit into the above category.
The amount of baryonic dark matter is already folded into the 20 something % estimate. It makes up a very small fraction.
The issue appears that if we do look at the matter we can see, there is an astounding amount just missing, that if all that is dust, we should expect to see it, if it is all planets etc, we are saying that despite that we observe stars are containing the vast fraction of all matter in each solar system... that that notion is incorrect and that planets make up a larger mass than their central star.
These are the kind of problems faced. No one denys the existence of electromagnetic phenomena from stars, some of the magnetic fields they can produce are pretty spectacular. but the 1/r^2 rule is a very cruel mistress. The amount of energy received by a 1m^2 surface at the distance jupiter is at from the sun, is less than the amount of radiation emanating from Jupiter itself. That is the kind of things we think about when people talk about energy flows through plasma for a electric universe model etc, and it just doesn't make sense.
ArtemisE
reply to post by KrzYma
Homie just meant Uranus was found from its gravitational pull, just like dark matter was. It's a fair analogy and at least on that quote made perfect sense. He wasn't saying Uranus contained dark matter.
ArtemisE
The second thing is. How do dark matter and energy play into electric universe theory? Does EU fix the problems with dark matter and the expAntion of the universe?
Thanks for making the thread...just started reading it: www.abovetopsecret.com...
ErosA433
There are many different technologies trying to do this, there is not a single way to do it, so physicists are trying all methods. I should perhaps do a new thread about the subject of Dark Matter direct searches.
Actually I was referring to the video that KrzYma posted, which to paraphrase said that observations suggested that dark matter existed where Uranus was found, and that Uranus was subsequently found, but they didn't believe that more dark matter would be found just because observations predicted it.
ArtemisE
Homie just meant Uranus was found from its gravitational pull, just like dark matter was. It's a fair analogy and at least on that quote made perfect sense. He wasn't saying Uranus contained dark matter.
Well let's examine that. First you'd have to postulate what you think the alternate dimensions (or universes) are and how they can interact with ours, and based on your models you could try to devise some tests or observations that would refute or confirm the model. So I already like this idea better than EU on the basis it doesn't contradict observation (because I don't know enough about the model to say whether it does or doesn't). I'm basically open to any rational idea that will explain observations.
ArtemisE
Agreed. Don't know how this would effect EU. But what it dark matter was just the "gravitational" pull of alternate/parallel dimensions. If either other dimensions or parrellel universes are "close" to there counterparts. Could that account for the missing matter?
So electric sun model says sun has net electric charge, and observations that both electrons and protons are repelled by the sun make us wonder why the net electric charge wouldn't attract one or the other, which would be needed for the electric sun model to be true.
The solar wind is a flow of protons and electrons, away from the sun, in all directions, both at the same speed. Now, if the first "major property" of the electric sun model were true, we would expect the positively charged sun to repel positively charged protons, and attract negatively charged electrons. That's what the third "major property" says is happening, but we see that reality is somewhat different. The observation of electrons & protons both being "repelled" by the sun immediately negates any consideration of the sun having a net electric charge that can be detected anywhere in the solar wind flow. If the sun had a net charge that was large enough, then it should repel one charge and attract the other, depending on the sign of the sun's excess charge. But we don't see that.
If it makes sense please explain it to me. If the sun has a net electric charge, why are positive and negative charges both flowing away from the sun? Does this really make sense to you? The electric charge is postulated at some HUGE number of volts depending on who you listen to. If you ever looked at Tesla's experiments with high voltages, you might have noticed the current flows were not hard to observe.
alienreality
The electric sun model makes sense to me. Just the way it is getting powered might be a process that is hard to see.