James Holmes To Get Second Sanity Exam In Theater Shooting

reply to post by Daedalus


Well, lets see and consider the proof angle. Someone, without any question here, opened fire in the theater and by the visible evidence, it would seem to be in and out of that back door. He was out in the parking lot, dazed and confused and easily taken into custody, dressed for the occasion and apparently all worn out. His apartment was, by all reports and the live coverage, a giant I.E.D. a neighbor nearly tripped and at what would have been a perfect time to draw the whole shift's worth of police over to the other side of town, right before the shooting started. The neighbor didn't, and thus, the drama for a day or two in disarming his apartment.

Now beyond this, I'm not sure about forensics for fingerprints across the cartridges loaded into the weapons or in/out of the weapons from handling for the shooting as well as the last time they were taken down to clean properly. Prints tend to get into the weirdest places and as far as I know, none of that is publicly accessible at this point, either way.

We do know his psych, and it's public record at this point, was raising alarms with the school but communication/privacy issues prevented that from getting out as widely (or at all) to some as it should have. Another strike on him.

His sudden crash and burn at school for leaving at the end of a Doctoral program and so close....yet..there goes basically years of life and maybe enough debt to last a lifetime to show for burger king jobs ..for whatever trigger event caused all that to start with....gives the "how could this possibly happen?". Wound tight in a tough Phd program, he snapped like a bad rubber band. Remember "The Joker" in the jail house photos? He was bat-crap nuts that night when taken into custody and after that daze in the parking lot wore off (Probably shock in what the real thing looked like to do, compared to what his fantasy idea of it was supposed to be, IMO).

Near as I can tell, he's been in La-La land in what could be called 'The Lights are On but No Ones Home', ever since. That first court appearance? Watch a vid and HD one if available. I recall the coverage at the time and he looks like he's openly hallucinating. His eyes are tracking logical lines of movement for things which clearly aren't there in the courtroom, during the proceedings. He just killed xx number of people...yet his lawyer is sitting a couple feet away, apparently unconcerned about what he's doing, and with no guards close enough to get to her before he could have .....except ..no one home. I think they medicated this kid 6 ways from Sunday starting before that 1st appearance and possibly non-stop since. I'm curious if he actually did go insane or not. I think it's possible.

Also funny how he is was a neuroscience student and the video that they normally present of him where he is doing a presentation was called "Temporal Illusions" and it brings up two questions in my mind which were he was having experiences of missing time or he was having actual illusions that he took as actual realities therefore having an idea that he could actually change the past i.e. MK victim. Another MK victim, Brittney Spears, has wondered if people have already time traveled and she apparently has huge gaps in her memory which I think she didn't party hard enough not to remember that she's partied in one video I've watched while being interviewd by Kfed. Therefore making it feel like she just woke up that day and everything seems really weird because the illusion time has sped up on them.

After being arrested Holmes immediately told the police his place was rigged with bombs with one official stating the intricacies of these bombs were seldom seen outside of warzones which is why it took the FBI about 2 days to disarm all of them. Then again, nothing you didn't already know I'm sure. Why go through the trouble of setting up all those bombs just to warn the police. Never saying why, just lawyering up.

Also, isn't it funny when these people have had a long history of being in and out of mental hospitals? I've even read that Seung-Hui Cho went to the same mental hospital as James Holmes. I can't remember the name of the hospital but I wouldn't be surprised to find the name Sinai in there, somewhere.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


A very well thought through post Wrabbit.

Id love it to be some kind of shadowy mind control op, most of us here love that kind of stuff. Im just not seeing much that points towards it in this case.

I am really enjoying the recap of all the summaries. The question I have is was it disclosed what was in the package that JH supposedly sent to his tutor. I kinda lost track of the court case with one thing and another so maybe I missed if it was mentioned.

DarksideOz
Both the Holmes and Lanza shootings had press releases almost at the ready, and a heavy promotion of gun control with the shootings used as justifying the gun control laws that "they" want.
But both shootings have serious holes in the official stories [seems to be a regular pattern these days], and serious contradictions from eye-witnesses. This is the exact same trick "they" used in the Port Arthur shootings in Australia in the 1990's which instantly led to strict new gun control laws, with the Port Arthur shooting used to justify the new laws. Several eye-witnesses reported seeing TWO gunmen, yet the official story is ONE gunman. Do I believe the word of people who were there and saw it, or do I believe a system that lies to me every single day ?
And just like with Holmes and Lanza, the media picture released of the Port Arthur gunman, Martin Bryant, was also a picture that appeared to make him look as crazy as possible. One newspaper even admitted to photo shopping his eyes to "make him look more evil". Isn't allegedly killing 35 people evil enough without having to photo shop his eyes to make him look more evil, unless they had a certain story to sell to the public, so that they will then willing accept the new laws, just like we did.

Holmes appeared in court so drugged and sedated that there has to be a question asked of WHO drugged him and WHY ?

Lanza was "killed" at the scene, despite no evidence of him being at the scene, which would of been impossible due to the positioning of cameras at the school. There has to be questioned asked as to HOW he committed this crime WITHOUT being filmed on at least one of the many cameras ?

Martin Bryant had an IQ no higher than someone classed as being mentally retarded, yet pulled of a massacre of 35 people by himself, over several different crime scenes. He had no military training to explain his precision shooting. He also had several unexplained trips to England, which when further investigated, revealed that he was taken to a University campus in England, which also had a part of the University devoted to mind control research........hmmmmm !
Not to mention the eye witness accounts of seeing 2 gunmen, with several reports that neither of the 2 looked like the picture they were shown of Martin Bryant.

Just yet another case of the black-ops doing the dirty work, and then leaving a patsy to take the blame. Eye witness reports contradict the official report, yet the official report remains gospel and any questioning is dismissed as "conspiracy theory". See how easily they get away with it. And when most people would rather just say "yep, that's the guy, you got him, lock him up and every thing is back to normal", then it's not hard to see why they keep using this same tactic over and over. The majority allow it to happen. The majority would rather take the quick fix, spoon fed dribble that they even know is dribble, but the dribble is easier to swallow than the truth. The majority are lazy, and "they" rely on it !

Exactly, eye witnesses see what happened but are ignored but some A-hole at a government desk writes a report that we are supposed to believe even when the real evidence is overwhelmingly to the contrary. Something about that just isnt right.

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i wanna say, please don't think i'm giving up, or running away, because i can't retort....but this reply is going to be kinda short, because i honestly don't have it in me to pick apart your entire post, and reply to all of your points right now...i may do it later, but for now all i can say is this:

Where did he get the expertise necessary to set up such elaborate explosive traps?
Where did he get the expertise necessary to shoot like he did?
Where did he get the materials necessary to set up such elaborate explosive traps?
Where did he get the firearms?
Where did he get the body armor, tactical gear, and smoke grenades?

What about the multiple eyewitness reports of 2 shooters?
What about his shrink, who was in the air force, and has a history of questionable judgement (prescribing drugs to people she shouldn't, including herself.)?

What about the fact that not only did police take him alive, but that he offered no resistance, and even WARNED police that his apartment was loaded with traps, so they wouldn't blow themselves to hell?

i mean, look at all the other major mass shootings in recent history....

Columbine: Harris and Klebold - Suicide
Virginia Tech: Cho Seung-Hui - Suicide
Wisconsin sikh temple shooting: Wade Michael Page - Suicide
Sandy Hook: Adam Lanza(allegedly) - Suicide(allegedly)

notice how all of these things end the same way? they kill and hurt a bunch of folks, then end themselves...before Holmes, when was the last time they got one of these f**kers alive?

no, something is really off about this.....how does a neuroscience student, on an NIH grant, with a clean record, good employment history, and no history of instability suddenly turn into a pycho killer, with training in firearms handling, explosives, and tactics?

why does he go back to his car, and sit there in a daze, instead of ending himself like the others? Why did he warn officers about the bombs? if he really was nuts, and wanted to kill as many people as possible, i don't think he'd be telling them, literally, "it's a trap"..

it's almost as if his programming wore off before he could finish the job, and his partner(handler/controller), for whatever reason (maybe they WANTED a patsy this time, someone to demonize, and personify the reasons for the agenda) didn't finish him off either...

doesn't make a whole lot of sense..

They caught Sirhan Sirhan alive and his defense team is convinced that he suffers from multiple personality disorder.

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They caught Sirhan Sirhan alive and his defense team is convinced that he suffers from multiple personality disorder.

i was going to mention sirhan, but i didn't wanna get sidetracked having the MKULTRA conversation. but you are correct, he was taken alive.

as i said though, sirhan is a sidetrack, because then you hafta have the MKULTRA conversation, and discuss the evidence regarding that, and you hafta discuss the inconsistencies with THAT case..which takes us away from the the topic...which is james holmes, mass shootings, and possible conspiracy...

They want the death penalty. they won't get it. even if he is sane, the government will say he's not. that's how they roll in colorado. they don't have law. just politics. and that goes for the republinazi's as well as the democommies that currently "THINK" they rule over us. The one thing about colorado, around the major population centers, were all the elections are stolen, they're total liberal, union, commies, but the rest of the state? The cats out there put the militant in militia. nice folks. salt of the Earth, and man do they KNOW what they're doing. this case is going to drag, and drag, and drag, just like the aurora PD (Who had the chance to put this creature down at the scene, but didin't) and the politicians they call judges and the State Attorney General, this is an ANTI-FIREARMS propaganda opportunity they will not let slide.

Funny. how can you consider him insane when he PLANNED to take out the people that would have searched his apartment, and he helped them disarm the IED's AFTER the cops in Aurora didn't put a bullet in his brain. So, he demonstrated REMORSE, meaning he knew he was doing wrong.

Yeah, he won't get a bullet in the brain like he deserves. But he's going away for life. insane? no. insane was not killing him were he stood on that day.

plus, pretty sure law enforcement and the prosecutors KNOW they already poisoned the case, on purpose. after all, why let your poster boy for gun confiscation and criminalizing of the law abiding citizens, without getting the maximum POLITICAL benefit of the publicity of his heinous crime. Transparency. this is how it really works.

but trying to disarm the legal gun owners of colorado? I only have one piece of advice. you had better send the MARINES. send anybody else, and your going to need a whole lot more body bags than you thought.

tencap77
They want the death penalty. they won't get it. even if he is sane, the government will say he's not. that's how they roll in colorado. they don't have law. just politics. and that goes for the republinazi's as well as the democommies that currently "THINK" they rule over us. The one thing about colorado, around the major population centers, were all the elections are stolen, they're total liberal, union, commies, but the rest of the state? The cats out there put the militant in militia. nice folks. salt of the Earth, and man do they KNOW what they're doing. this case is going to drag, and drag, and drag, just like the aurora PD (Who had the chance to put this creature down at the scene, but didin't) and the politicians they call judges and the State Attorney General, this is an ANTI-FIREARMS propaganda opportunity they will not let slide.

Funny. how can you consider him insane when he PLANNED to take out the people that would have searched his apartment, and he helped them disarm the IED's AFTER the cops in Aurora didn't put a bullet in his brain. So, he demonstrated REMORSE, meaning he knew he was doing wrong.

Yeah, he won't get a bullet in the brain like he deserves. But he's going away for life. insane? no. insane was not killing him were he stood on that day.

plus, pretty sure law enforcement and the prosecutors KNOW they already poisoned the case, on purpose. after all, why let your poster boy for gun confiscation and criminalizing of the law abiding citizens, without getting the maximum POLITICAL benefit of the publicity of his heinous crime. Transparency. this is how it really works.

but trying to disarm the legal gun owners of colorado? I only have one piece of advice. you had better send the MARINES. send anybody else, and your going to need a whole lot more body bags than you thought.

wow....just wow...

you seem to not really know much about the case...i'm assuming(i hate doing that) you're simply basing your position on what you've seen on the news...

i mean, honestly.....you don't have ANY questions about the event? don't see any errors or inconsistencies?....everything's cut and dried...holmes did it, all by his oncey....no help, no support, just a lone nut, right?

Looking at this from a British perspective, I find it hard to understand how the American public can just sit and ignore such blatant false flags. BUT, we have also had bombings in London which have been said to have been carried out by someone other than the Islamists who were blamed, and also a soldier who was attacked in public, whose story does not quite match the official line.

Does it seem strange that we have had these events over the last few years? It seems as if we are being pushed in one direction by all the fear porn, and the PTB are hoping we will accept our fate quietly, both in the UK and US.

Definitely a lot of strange inconsistencies in the official accounts of some of these recent shootings. Not the least of which is the case of Sports Writer Jessica Ghawi (pen name Jessica Redfield) While vacationing in Toronto on June 2 2012, she had apparently left the food court area of the Toronto Eaton Centre mall just minutes before Christopher Husbands opened fire on the crowd. Having narrowly dodged one proverbial bullet, only to die at the hands of yet another crazed shooter in Aurora just over a month later. And if that wasn't already a creepy enough coincidence to get the hairs on the back of your neck standing straight up, then a quick view of her twitter feed following the Toronto shooting should be plenty sufficient to send chills through your spine. A tweet she posted on June 2 during the aftermath of the Toronto shooting stated

[A man dressed as Batman is charging tourists to take pictures in front of the Eaton Centre yelling "MY PARENTS ARE DEAD!" Very tacky & heartless.]

Not sure what I find most unsettling. The idea that a shadow organization is using Mind controlled Patsy's to carry out extremely violent false flags on innocent citizens to further some hidden agenda. Or the thought that such an odd and unnerving set of circumstances can come together to create an incident so ominous by nothing more that pure coincidence.
Is it the workings of a Conspiracy Theory, or is Chaos Theory to blame? Which is the greatest threat?

Greenman1
Looking at this from a British perspective, I find it hard to understand how the American public can just sit and ignore such blatant false flags. BUT, we have also had bombings in London which have been said to have been carried out by someone other than the Islamists who were blamed, and also a soldier who was attacked in public, whose story does not quite match the official line.

Does it seem strange that we have had these events over the last few years? It seems as if we are being pushed in one direction by all the fear porn, and the PTB are hoping we will accept our fate quietly, both in the UK and US.

Thank you Greenman for being the last post before my reply, it helps me sum up my point.

We are missing the point of this particular "false flag" event. It is not, I repeat NOT about gun control. The gun control agenda is merely icing on the ptb's control cake. This is about FEAR, the great equalizer in controlling the masses! Fear is what motivates mankind period, fear of lack, fear of harm to self or loved ones, fear of losing what little we have... FEAR, period! The great "payoff" for this particular event is keeping the sheeple in line; "go to work, pay your taxes, eat your GMO foods and watch Honey Boo Boo like a good little citizen... we'll keep you as safe as we can given the restrictions placed on us by (insert administration here)." We must be reminded on a regular basis just how dependant we are on TPTB to presrve our way of life.

Fear is the leavening in the 'Bread & Circuses' given to us by those in power. We must be kept numb (Rx drugs, iPhones, fluoridated water) and dumb (reality TV, MSM reporting of world events, public education system) in order for them to maintain their stronghold over us, to keep their boots on our throats. Maybe we'll see Agenda 21 come into play in our lifetimes, maybe we'll end up in FEMA camps and the like, but the bottom line is this: THEY must remain in control in order to sustain their 1% status. It's really no more complicated than that. They want to continue their lives of luxuary, lavishness, greed, gluttony and over indulgence because let's face it, that "human experience" ROCKS lol. The only way to do that is to keep us in line. The only way to keep us in line is to remind us on a regular basis just how powerless we are without them.

So, a crazy lunatic shoots up a movie theater and kills a bunch of us and all we were trying to do was numb ourselves to our pointless existance by going out to watch the latest movie in the "Batman" series. WAKE UP, it's a corral and we're the cattle!

reply to post by Daedalus


To add to that, the very possible cause of the entire thing, were it a staged patsy thing, are the fact that Holmes father was / is involved in tracking missing trillions in the LIBO.R scandal. Also Holmes' Phd Neuroscience research involved human interactions of the brain that could have been utilised in similar devices as his fathers' work involved creating.

As for being a 'dropout', I know of people that have stumbled upon things they weren't meant to known, in research and organisations that were soon made out as 'delinquents' / 'fraudsters' etc (despite being anything but) as a matter of 'risk management' and soon moved from the organisation (before they could expose anyone / anything) .

I followed the Holmes incident from the moment it was on the news, literally unfolding and seen the anomalies of the masks and other things that were moved elsewhere when the officials were marking their placements, also I heard the eyewitness reports of there being two culprits and neither fitter the description of Holmes.

Then Holmes being given a narcotic known for false suggestion and hypnotic states before giving evidence, after originally appearing looking totally wiped out, it all points to something suspicious.

There are too many missing pieces and bits that don't tie for ignoring the details.

Deny Ignorance, look to the truth. This could be something major, missing trillions, the guys with the possible answers to where the trillions went, being taken out the equation.

usatoday30.usatoday.com...

His father, Robert, is a mathematician who develops statistical models for financial services, specifically looking at fraud.

www.redicecreations.com...

The truth maybe stranger than fiction, as we look at the stories that surround the main story of a so called brainwashed lone nut James Holmes who opens fire at a movie theater in Aurora Colorado and his connections to both neuroscience and ‘Super soldier’ or ‘Peak Soldier performance’ experiments and a father that works for a software company that analyses fraud for business.

According to his LinkedIn profile, James Holmes’s father, Dr. Robert Holmes, who received a PhD in Statistics in 1981 from the University of California at Berkeley, worked for San Diego-based HNC Software, Inc. from 2000 to 2002. HNC, known as a “neural network” company, and DARPA, beginning in 1998, have worked on developing “cortronic neural networks,” which would allow machines to interpret aural and visual stimuli to think like humans.

The cortronic concept was developed by HNC Software’s chief scientist and co-founder, Robert Hecht-Nielsen. HNC merged with the Minneapolis-based Fair Isaac Corporation (FICO), a computer analysis and decision-making company. Robert Holmes continues to work at FICO.

Robert Holmes brief bio at linked in states the following: “My educational background is in Mathematics and Statistics. My experience over the last 10 years at HNC and FICO has been in developing predictive models for financial services; credit & fraud risk models, first and third party application fraud models and internet/online banking fraud models.”

Management Experience: I am currently managing a team building Falcon Fraud Manager Credit card fraud models. I have also managed teams in the Telco and Identity Theft fraud areas.”

How interesting and coincidental is it that in the film The Dark Knight Rises Bane gets his hands on Software that is used to expose the fraud in Wall Street and literally guts the rich?

Robert Holmes is said to have developed computer algorithms that demonstrate predictive models for financial services; credit and fraud risk models, first and third party application fraud models and internet/online banking fraud models.

It is just too coincidental to not be eerily synchronistic. This software has been said to be able trace the Trillions of Dollars that have just vaporized into thin air. All of the spending in theory could be traced to the exact bank accounts of the elite thugs who have stolen it.
Now these Software insiders who may have information to nail corrupt officials have always wound up being fingered by intelligence agencies and many have died mysteriously.

Daedalus

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They caught Sirhan Sirhan alive and his defense team is convinced that he suffers from multiple personality disorder.

i was going to mention sirhan, but i didn't wanna get sidetracked having the MKULTRA conversation. but you are correct, he was taken alive.

as i said though, sirhan is a sidetrack, because then you hafta have the MKULTRA conversation, and discuss the evidence regarding that, and you hafta discuss the inconsistencies with THAT case..which takes us away from the the topic...which is james holmes, mass shootings, and possible conspiracy...

I assumed you already knew about Sirhan Sirhan from the list of strawmen that you listed but I feel that Sirhan has many similarities to the Holmes' case. Not the least being he is one of the few patsies to be caught and probably suffers from a fractured personality. Gaps in their memory that is either authentic or authentic lying.

Edit: I also say that, although said events had multiple reasons for it I'm sure the main one is to lead us into getting more armed so we have a better chance of depopulating the earth when the SHTF.

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Whew.. that's quite a reply! It's not often I run into someone as long and detailed as I can be about making points in a discussion.

Point by point on a few things you raise...

- Where did he get the expertise necessary to set up such elaborate explosive traps?

On this, I really just say, he didn't have it and didn't need expertise for what he did. He was at the tail end of a very high level Phd program. He was a highly intelligent person, obviously motivated here (even if by some inner demon or whatever), and creative in some very bad ways. His creativity, in fact, is quite chilling. Evil little monster, might be a more apt description to what he created in his apartment. The cops must have frankly been surprised he managed to exit the place himself without dying in it. This account in media came from testimony in the arraignment.

Discovered inside the apartment was a trip-wire attached from the door to a Thermos filled with glycerine, which was perched on a 45-degree angle over a frying pan filled with potassium permanganate. The combination of the two chemicals would trigger heat and fire, said the agent. Gumbinner said Holmes also laced the floor with ammonia chloride “to scare us”—and to produce copious smoke and a flame that if it ignited the carpet, which was saturated with oil and gas, could set off a huge explosion.

Agents also discovered inside Apt. 10 a pyrotechnic box with six-inch fireworks shells attached to a number of black balls filled with gunpowder, gas, and oil on top of the fridge. Holmes told detectives that the detonator to set off the box was attached to a remote control outside next to a garbage dumpster, a boom box, and a remote-controlled car.

Source

- Where did he get the expertise necessary to shoot like he did?

Not to be too morbid here, but he couldn't shoot worth a damn. It's hard to look at these things that way, because the human tragedy is enormous. However, to address the above question, it's how we have to look at it. He had an AR-15 (Bad choice) with a Beta Magazine (Worst choice imaginable) and dressed up like a ridiculous version of what he must have thought a mass shooter should look like. Ballistic pants, vest and groin protection. He really went the full distance on the mental side of this, but didn't follow on the real world.

The reports indicate he got himself over 6,300 rounds of ammunition ...and they report finding large quantities in his apartment. I have no problem believing that at all.....as he killed 12 and wounded over 50. That's not skill, it's spray and pray shooting with ranges under 25 yards, and popping smoke grenades to obscure his OWN line of view as much as everyone elses before hand was lunacy in a technical way. Skill isn't how I'd term any of it.

Bottom line here tho is... He picked a weapon known to jam and cheap versions jam as if designed to, almost. He slapped in a magazine known to jam on a GOOD day ...and if he's fired a fraction of all that ammo he bought (and could never, as a superman, carry in a real attack..so why overkill to such absurd levels? Non-gun person alert..) he'd have already broken he's 'Beta toy' magazine. He didn't though, and getting back to the right side of thinking......a lot of people lived because he was a very intelligent ... idiot. Hows that for a description?

-Where did he get the materials necessary to set up such elaborate explosive traps?
-Where did he get the firearms?

He bought it all, perfectly legal in Colorado. The record also shows from the media link I gave above and where they are just relaying arraignment testimony, that he tried getting ammonium nitrate. His own statement to police apparently gives that. He couldn't get what he was looking for easily though, so outsmarted himself by getting over-creative, to be realistic.

His intent and intelligence could have blown a city block off the map if he'd used his apartment and ammonium nitrate as the explosive. Again....Very intelligent idiot. Not unlike people I've known in life who were exceptionally intelligent and gifted in their area of work but could get lost trying to get from Las Vegas to Los Angeles. Also PhDs, for who I've known that way.

-Where did he get the body armor, tactical gear, and smoke grenades?

It's not a good thing to say, but he bought them. Perfectly legal (The law varies by state). A police/security supply store right down the street from me sells Second Chance body armor, with ceramic inserts. The owners of that particular store are very careful about who they sell to and do require proof of law enforcement status for that. However, they don't have to, and with people like Holmes, that's the problem. The stuff isn't cheap, but basic stuff like he had isn't more expensive than some of the designer clothing people are running around in these days, either. I've considered it for my own stuff in SHTF gear...but finally concluded that was getting a bit silly in overkill for even that. lol


As for the other shootings... I'll simply say I don't see direct or obvious evidence for connection. It's creative thinking and who knows what may be happening in the world out there. It's not for me to say anything is impossible. For my own thinking and research though, I just take these one incident at a time.

This one looks fairly clear in terms of the high level student going into meltdown and breakdown. Suicide for him, took a radically devious twist ...but then.. errr... He wasn't good enough to do that much either..as he jammed his weapons before getting to that # on the checklist. That seems to have snapped the kid completely. At least by evidence. The others each had their own quirks for other incidents around the nation...

Bottom line here tho is... He picked a weapon known to jam and cheap versions jam as if designed to, almost. He slapped in a magazine known to jam on a GOOD day ...and if he's fired a fraction of all that ammo he bought (and could never, as a superman, carry in a real attack..so why overkill to such absurd levels? Non-gun person alert..) he'd have already broken he's 'Beta toy' magazine. He didn't though, and getting back to the right side of thinking......a lot of people lived because he was a very intelligent ... idiot. Hows that for a description?

Was there any report of his weapon jamming? That has been the think they sticks in the back of my head about this shooting and sandy. I only have experience with the m16 a2 and a4 and it jams all the time, not to many range days where I didn't get some jams,usually simple stove pipe jams but double feeds happen too. And double feeds can be time consuming, especially if you don't have experience clearing them. Top that off with a heavy and cheap magazine with a high rate of fire? Doesn't seem like he would be able to avoid a jam. Not to say that a single jam would ruin the whole plan, but it would definitely throw a wrench into the tire so to speak well IMO anyway

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Thanks, I hadn't included that and forget sometimes we weren't all watching it very closely at the time it happened.

WASHINGTON -- A federal law enforcement official says the semi-automatic assault rifle used in the deadly Colorado movie theater shooting jammed during the attack.

The official said late Saturday the rifle had a high-capacity ammunition magazine which, based on witness accounts and evidence collected at the scene, apparently jammed. The rifle's malfunction then forced the suspected shooter, James Holmes, to switch to another weapon.

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I guess he figured the Beta mag would be enough or panicked or whatever, to drop the rifle and switch to another. That, I guess he didn't bring a pile of ammo with. Whatever the case, jamming his toy magazine on a cheap AR-15 (One source mentioned it jammed after 75 rounds...) broke his flow and probably shook him up pretty bad. Again, saving who knows how many.

It's good that he wasn't skilled or even practiced with what he was shooting. It would have been much worse...and sometimes the biggest things come from the smallest details, eh?

So Holmes devised an intricate booby trap with deadly homemade explosives but uses a 2nd rate weapon to murder people?

I wonder why he didn't just blow the joint up. There is something about this case that still has "patsy" written all over it imo,

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I wonder why he didn't just blow the joint up. There is something about this case that still has "patsy" written all over it imo,

So you dont think he did it and was just a scape goat?