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TomLawless
You're willing to sell your neighbors down the river for money. Disgusting.
Bedlam
TomLawless
You're willing to sell your neighbors down the river for money. Disgusting.
What the NSA's doing is neither unlawful nor immoral. They're collecting what the NSC (mostly) demands of them, as regulated by various intelligence directives.
And they pay on time. Way better than Navy. I like that in a customer.
AnAbsoluteCreation
reply to post by AnAbsoluteCreation
Uh oh, NSA. Another STATE (UTAH) has moved to stop the NSA as well.
SALT LAKE CITY, February 12, 2014–Can Utah shut down the new NSA data center by turning off the water? A new bill introduced by state Rep. Marc Roberts seeks to do just that.
The legislation drafted by a transpartisan coalition organized by the Tenth Amendment Center (TAC) and the Bill of Rights Defense Committee (BORDC) called OffNow Coalition. The Utah Fourth Amendment Protection Act would expressly prohibit state material support, participation, and assistance to any federal agency that collects electronic date or metadata without a search warrant “that particularly desribes the person, place and thing to be searched or seized.”
“Without question, the mass surveillance and data collection by the Utah Data Center is a delicate and important matter,” Roberts said. “But for me, the language of the Fourth Amendment is clear. It simply protects us against unreasonable and unwarranted searches or seizures of our persons, private residencies and property, documents and information and personal and private belongings. This legislation preserves those rights to the people.”
MODS, if you see this, can you update the thread title to include Utah as well?
AAC
edit on 12-2-2014 by AnAbsoluteCreation because: (no reason given)
dreamingawake
AnAbsoluteCreation
reply to post by AnAbsoluteCreation
Uh oh, NSA. Another STATE (UTAH) has moved to stop the NSA as well.
SALT LAKE CITY, February 12, 2014–Can Utah shut down the new NSA data center by turning off the water? A new bill introduced by state Rep. Marc Roberts seeks to do just that.
The legislation drafted by a transpartisan coalition organized by the Tenth Amendment Center (TAC) and the Bill of Rights Defense Committee (BORDC) called OffNow Coalition. The Utah Fourth Amendment Protection Act would expressly prohibit state material support, participation, and assistance to any federal agency that collects electronic date or metadata without a search warrant “that particularly desribes the person, place and thing to be searched or seized.”
“Without question, the mass surveillance and data collection by the Utah Data Center is a delicate and important matter,” Roberts said. “But for me, the language of the Fourth Amendment is clear. It simply protects us against unreasonable and unwarranted searches or seizures of our persons, private residencies and property, documents and information and personal and private belongings. This legislation preserves those rights to the people.”
MODS, if you see this, can you update the thread title to include Utah as well?
AAC
edit on 12-2-2014 by AnAbsoluteCreation because: (no reason given)
Nice and to bump up.
Interesting to see if this can go through. It really deserves it's own thread.
AnAbsoluteCreation
You either are turning a convenient blind eye, or you refuse to scrutinize your beloved nsa. Not sure why you think they are not overstepping their boundaries.
AnAbsoluteCreation
reply to post by Bedlam
Personally, I don't think it even comes close. It doesn't even pass the sniff test. I am certain the courts precedence will jot be in the NSA's favor.
AAC
And it's unlawful for a state to not provide federal help? How do you figure? If it was so obvious, why would the courts
accept the complaint?
Phage
reply to post by Bedlam
I'm not even an attorney and I can see that.
So the solution is to legislate limits for the NSA rather than political stunts like punishing it. Trouble is, that can be politically risky while the stunts are a great show.
AnAbsoluteCreation
No. States are not obligated by law to spy on their citizens.
AAC.
Cyn50
How unbelievably selfish does that sound?
Very.
No. Don't explain.
AAC.
Yes, how very selfish of me to worry about my future. My apologies
AnAbsoluteCreation
reply to post by junglimogli
I've heard people say that before about the politicians scared about the dirt they have on them, which is why they are moving against the NSA. However, I don't think that's the case. If it was true, would the NSA not threaten them with said "info" not to move against them?
AAC
Bedlam
Not only will it be, these amusing little laws that the states are proposing are nothing but publicity stunts. Not one will be implemented, because they're unlawful.