Dr. Jacques Vallee ~ The Control System

reply to post by Specimen


There is a dynamic that utterly fascinates me. I call it the trickster vs. The Buddha. It's a very nasty lesson/control loop.

Anyone who wishes to throw off all limitation and to be of service is immediately accosted by the trickster in the most devious way.

In a manner of speaking the entire world turns against one; the more love and compassion that is evidenced the stronger the backlash.

But that's just a warmup. Then the problem of evil hits one...and it must be solved or one will be destroyed by conflicting forces. So many good people are in this meat grinder phase..overwhelmed oozing energy and usually suicidal.

The ultimate challenge is this question:
"If everyone is an illusion, who is there to serve? Who is there to save? ".

"If you attempt to save anyone, you jump into my jaws".

"If you attempt to save no one you are a worthless ass hole."

The trickster loves to chew up wannabee buddhas. But it's a necessary part of the process.

Utterly utterly fascinating to me.

KPB

reply to post by RedCairo


I'm glad you got back to me on this and i shall explain as best i can what i meant. If one is to consider a planetary control system in the absolute sense then one needs to factor in higher spiritual forces, i shall explain how that was formulated then demonstrate how it is operative through example.

As i suggest this is a spiritual relationship between humanity and Higher forces i'll use the symbolism of the Ark of the Covenant as a basic starting point, which simply entails a ratio of 1.5/2.5 cubits thus;



As can be seen that can also be expressed in terms of the quadrants of a square/circle or in terms of degrees of angle. Developing that a little further we could understand this in terms of the approximate orbital periods as manifest in the relationship of the planet Venus to Earth, thus a 225 day period in relation to 360 for Earth.



Throw in Mars and Mercury for good measure through the same principles and we have four directions indicated, which we can default to eight through extension, an arbitrary approach but based upon observed relationships, to determine the aspects of the extended directions we can resort to mathamatical harmony.



So there's a potential system of assigning spiritual values in terms of eight directionalism and our starting was the relationship of Venus to Earth, lets allow her to be the key or catalyst then that determines the entire system.

If Venus wears a black crown - Saturn stands in front of her
If Venus wears a white crown - Jupiter stands in front of her
If Venus wears a green crown - Mars stands in front of her
If Venus wears a red crown - Mercury stands in front of her
If Venus wears a rainbow crown - a rainbow lies crosswise in front of her
If Venus wears the Sun's crown - she becomes very bright, Saturn stands in front
If Venus wears the Moon's crown - she is very small, Mercury stands in front of her

And she can have an eight pointed star as her symbol.

Now in terms of demonstrating this as the operative system across the face of the Earth i would take the axis given to Jupiter as the starting point as this provides the best concrete evidence, due to the associations with empiricism, legality, establishment, lines upon lines and precepts upon precepts. The great places of establishment along this axis are cities such as London, Paris, Rome, Cairo, their historical relevance being in the reverse ordering, thus the sense of progression through time toward London, which still remains as the basis for present day advocated systems of government and legality, principles of Jovian rule.

If one considers the axis determined by Mercury this doesn't neccesarily have the association with great places of establishment but is more concerned with the progression and development of ideas, networks and systems of trade and commerce, systems of philosophical and religious thought, discoveries and observation in things such as medicine and astronomy, the Hermetic principle in general, the influence of the scribe, but again there can be observed the progression of ideas from the East over millenium.

Of course any such observation is considered in terms of relativism to a British centre, in determining what is East and what is West

But if one considers shamanism for example now that that doesn't give rise to great cities or even literary tradition, but if i was to suggest a region of highest development i would consider the axis toward the North East, from Siberia into Finland and through Sweden, under the influence of Uranus, that develops through the sensual mysteries of Venus.

So it perhaps becomes apparent why i should consider Vallee in San Fransico at something of a disadvantage in understanding the system as a whole, in that the spirit of enlightenment from the East achieved fruition when it reached centre, that there has been nothing new under the sun along those lines since the time of John Dee, the Westward ho spirit that determined American identity was Neptunian, the riding of the crest of great waves, popularism, mass consumerism and communication, going with the flow, but also the spirit that passed from East to West was that of individuation from the objective whole , the spirit of genius, the bright lights and the silver screen, everyone's a star, albeit a recycled one.

This spirit of the West Coast then manifests itself as everyone having their own seemingly brilliant ideas and belief systems, yet somehow in the context of the popular swell of the day, scientology being a classic example or the Temple of Set and so many others, generic individuation....the Matrix has them all but perhaps Venus shall rise from the waves to end it all.

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear


I so agree with you there.

The trickster uses a lure or bait. While the buddha, or the wiser trickster outsmarts or just doesn't fall for it.
Like western religions an temptation. You would have to a buddha to resist all temptation due their non-materialistic ways. Sort of speak.

It can go both ways though, whether the trickster sets the limitations, and leads the tricked to their deaths. Fitting for tribal/older cultures due to the nature of reality.

reply to post by Specimen


In my opinion, if you want to move from being a fully liminal trickster to living the Buddha archetype (did you note the magicians trick in this sentence)?

There is only one way.

You remain a trickster as that is all that exists;
But you find yourself enjoying the Buddha archetype so you activate that story for the fun of it.

If one thinks that they are anything besides a trickster then they are in the jaws of the trickster.

If one thinks people "need saving" they are in the jaws of the trickster.

If one thinks they are a Buddha and have "escaped" they are in the jaws of the trickster.

If one knows that they are a trickster...that the people who appear to need saving are also tricksters. ..

But one chooses to live the Buddha archetype not because they need to or should but for the fun of it...then the trickster opens her jaws and let's one go..and becomes a loyal friend.

My 2 cents.

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear


Agreed. Buddha the wise, ever loving teacher trickster. The more of in the moment teacher.

While the evil trickster the one will kill, laugh and piss on whom evers grave. Which can ether lead 1, to hundred, thousands, if not millions, to billions of graves.

What happen here?

Oh…I guess we can rename the thread to
Depth Vallee Days

Sorry GUT
The trickster has won again!
Back to the drawing board

Though I walk through the VALLEE of the shadow of DOUBT, I will fear no TRICKSTER: for thou art with me; thy ET and thy UFOs they comfort me.

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear


Yeah that's exactly what I was thinking when I did all the stuff I did just because of the syek (read backwards) of David. And now I'm pretty much screwed over. I was thinking that everyone on this planet was alive and I had to do something about it (bad idea) then I found out that a large majority of people are under mind control. I had to figure it out for myself - I wasn't going to accept any information that I didn't believe. Now that I know how this video game works I know how to move. Everything that needs to be changed has an abundance of security protecting it from change. And this security cannot be stopped (like the security: mind control) no matter what you do.

There are some people that are alive and then the rest as god in the bible commented of people without many works are dead and not actually alive.

Since there are no avenues to teach you about the evil things in this world - we are lead into astronomical ignorance... Which I still am cursed by.

KellyPrettyBear
reply to post by Specimen

 

"If everyone is an illusion, who is there to serve? Who is there to save? ".

"If you attempt to save anyone, you jump into my jaws".

"If you attempt to save no one you are a worthless @#!*% hole."

The trickster loves to chew up wannabee buddhas. But it's a necessary part of the process.

Utterly utterly fascinating to me.

KPB

this was exactly my problem kelly

reply to post by Willtell


It's sad when multiple groups of researchers thinks the other guy is 'the trickster' trying to derail them. That's a very boring and obvious game.

Let everyone have their own fun playing their own way I say!

reply to post by RevelationsDivad


I hope 'my solution' is helpful.

being in that planetary meat grinder really sucks.

reply to post by RevelationsDivad


In my view things are actually very simple.

but let's not derail this thread.

Thanks.

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear


How does one "derail a thread?" I have a picture of spider-webby threads being torn from tracks and crashing like locomotives.

Thanks to this chain of people's thoughts congealed, I have pondered Vallee's cryptic control system ... learned even more about spooks and mind control... and even more about remote viewing and cults of borderline personalities from a lovely rose colored Egyptian city... and enjoyed one's manic, insane-yet-wise offerings about tricky, trippy rabbits and foxes chasing their own tails around each other... found that a mercurial Jay in AK likes to block roosters and became even more enchanted with some English brainiac chic who has Guts and dogmas both eating out of her hand...

So... how does one derail a thread? Why just like this, of course!

Skoal.

reply to post by Baddogma


Was just pretending politeness...for the sake of people I care about. It's not my nature to be tame or sociological correct.

but yes...it's one of the best threads on ats ever thanks to gutsey rc and others.

It's been very helpful to me personally too..
pressure is a lovely evolutionary agent sometimes.

thanks for making an appearance.

Now that I've presented the case for human manipulation of control systems (and some various possible motives) I'll express my leanings that maybe these cats are being influenced and guided by something strange and seemingly hostile. The "bad" entities/aliens if you will. I go into some detail regarding that in the first link in my sig, but I'm interested in hearing how others feel about that possibility?

Has anyone read The Gods of Eden by William Bramley?

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear

Anyone who wishes to throw off all limitation and to be of service is immediately accosted by the trickster in the most devious way.

Crowley called it the "Ape of Thoth" or the cynocephalus.

In a nutshell? He described it as that force that steps forward when the magician attempts to speak of "The Mysteries" and ensures that said magician sounds like a jackass.

You still preaching to the choir?

Your enthusiasm is infectious KPB, Happy Thorsday.

reply to post by The GUT


Well, as one of the so-called, supposed "others," I would express delight and await your personal tentative conclusions.

I sure as heck feel that at the core, we, as a flock, are being monitored and herded, sometimes with tough, scary "love," toward some murky goal.

I feel that yes, there are several layers of "control system" we are influenced by, from environmental, social, govt-spooky, spirit-spookier to ultra-weird-higher-dimensional- incomprehensible-unfathomably-odd formless form of poking, prodding control.

So spill it, and let all see the flora growing in your Gut.

Edit: yup, I've read Bramely's tome... if I remember correctly, and it's been decades and millions of brain cells since, it was short on cement, big on blueprints ... if one were to use a building metaphor for a theory of control by outside forces.

reply to post by The GUT

Has anyone read The Gods of Eden by William Bramley?

Yes. And I blame that book for taking me out of the mainstream existence and dropping me in a world of my own.

The GUT


Has anyone read The Gods of Eden by William Bramley?

y]

I have but I'm afraid to comment on it other than to say I think the information contained in the book was mostly accurate and reflects on current events.

One spanking was plenty

olaru12
I have but I'm afraid to comment on it other than to say I think the information contained in the book was mostly accurate and reflects on current events.

One spanking was plenty

Aww, c'mon, olaru, we've had great discussions. You just hit & run on that one thing. You have a lot of good stuff when you elaborate, that's all. I sorry. Purty please?