CA residents confirm high radiation, US EPA does nothing about it

I really need to get a Geiger counter here in Washington state, and I hope it isn't happening here too.

If it is happening here, and no one knows about it, and the EPA just laughs and hangs up when asked, but the Geiger counter reads "DANGER!!" Then I see some EPA employees being given a very sudden job termination. In situation like this, it would be justified for any citizen to give them their walking papers, personally. Their new job will be to report to a 6 foot hole in the ground at the nearest boot hill.

Or they can keep their jobs, and everyone can just ignore it and happily report to the nearest disintegration station, just like in that old star trek original series episode.

When I mixed the sidewalk salt with the sand in the shed, it gives off radiation for some reason. I don't really understand why, but it does effect the meter about as much as this service meter is showing. The ocean has salt and the beach has sand with some organics mixed in it. No sand is completely clean.

Maybe someone can tell me why this occurs in the shed. Maybe this is the same thing that is happening here. Maybe it was always like that but nobody ever paid attention.

This News are debunked since they got published!

This Beach is well known for high NATURAL Radiation
since more than 50 Years!

Please research this Topic before you fall in to a
State of Panic

To date it’s been viewed almost half a million times, and countless articles have been written referencing it as evidence, source, etc.. However the claims made in the video are inaccurate. Not that the beaches aren’t radioactive – they are – however this is a natural phenomenon that has been documented for over 50 years, a fact which is easily googleable to anyone interested. Unfortunately it seems that the creators of that video, and the media publications that have run with the story, haven’t been interested enough to spend a few minutes doing any research.

In the 2008 paper Radioactivity of sand from several renowned public beaches and assessment of the corresponding environmental risks by Radenkovic, et al, published in the Journal of the Serbian Chemical Society, notable concentrations of Ra226, Th232, K40 were found in LA-area beaches (see table 1). Going back even further 1959, Tracing Coastal Sediment Movement By Naturally Radioactive Minerals is a report by Kamel & Johnson, from Berkeley, which states “This radioactive thorium is added naturally at discrete places along the coast where rivers flowing through thorium rich granite out- crops reach the coast or where the thorium rich granite itself outcrops at the sea coast.”

Safecast

Yes and they want to explain it away in some nonsensical way as usual, hopefully people will wake up and actually expect the current technology to be used Serve and Protect and not deem anyone in office not doing their utmost to perform the rightful actions with the trust invested in them to be criminal, because its first degree murder, and in actual genocide that is taking place. I want justice done fully.

gardener
Yeah,

why waste billion of taxpayers' dollars on THEM,

when it's better spent expanding global military bases and irradiating the mideast with DU dust?!

Actually, some of this radiation could be depleted uranium (and enriched uranium) from Iraq. It was found in the air over the UK years ago already which means it's everywhere now.

I've gotten to the point where whatever the US government says, I presume the opposite is true. These scumbags haven't told the truth since Rumsfeld announced all that money was unaccounted for, and before that, November 21, 1963 comes to mind.

Gee whiz guys, the air is polluted, the fresh water is polluted, the soil is polluted, the food is polluted and now the ocean is polluted. They're probably busy polluting the moon and Mars as we speak now just for good measure. And meanwhile, we're paying out very good money for them to build deep underground military bases so they can hide their soul-less petoots from us if anything dramatic comes to pass. Which they probably have planned.

reply to post by gardener


I see a lot of responses to this post with speculation as to the accuracy of the equipment and sources used. However, none immediately answered the question of what to do about. Even if those measurements are correct, what exactly do you expect the EPA to do about it? They can't stop radiation. What do you expect them to do? Build a giant lead wall for the entire west coast? Personally, if it were me, and I was a concerned as you are. I'd just move. Not like you can escape it entirely, no matter where you go, but it might not be as bad if you weren't on the west coast.

GrimReaper86
reply to post by gardener

 

I see a lot of responses to this post with speculation as to the accuracy of the equipment and sources used. However, none immediately answered the question of what to do about. Even if those measurements are correct, what exactly do you expect the EPA to do about it? They can't stop radiation. What do you expect them to do? Build a giant lead wall for the entire west coast? Personally, if it were me, and I was a concerned as you are. I'd just move. Not like you can escape it entirely, no matter where you go, but it might not be as bad if you weren't on the west coast.

I would expect them NOT TO HIDE IT, if there is enough radiation to cause hair loss and other symptoms to residents living on the coastline, and it doesn't matter what the freakin cause of it is. They are supposed to monitor hazards like this and advise the public.
If they aren't doing this, they should all put in to boxcars on a runaway train, and be made to derail.

Or is your solution of just letting everyone decompose a better solution?

Why are is the OP linking to a video that the source of radiation has already been proved to NOT be from Fukushima?

This place is driving me nuts. The lack of research, the sheer redundancy of existing threads all make me want to scream.

I MISS ATS.

reply to post by rickymouse


Only in the shed? What's it built from, and what's the local geology like? My top theory for that would be that you're living on granite bedrock and have a radon seep somewhere in the foundation of your shed.

I live in San Diego and my hair has thinned and is falling out suddenly October last year. Im 23 and baldness nor does hair loss occur until much later in my family.

ExNihiloRed
reply to post by gardener

 

Is that guy's meter properly calibrated? Is he using it properly? I need a lot more hard evidence before I consider this anything more than overreacting.

loads of youtube videos on how to make your radiation detectors in 10 minutes from surplus transistors.

all you need is a tin can and a couple of transistors and a meter.


you can even get software APP to turn your cellphone into a radiation detector as the camera is effected by radiation.

so simple.

big business does not want to you to know about radiation as they would lose money.

by the way if you are a big business owner YOU will be effected too.your money can't shield you.your kids also.


rich people mistakenly believe they are invincible because they have 200 million in the bank.

alienreality
I really need to get a Geiger counter here in Washington state, and I hope it isn't happening here too.

If it is happening here, and no one knows about it, and the EPA just laughs and hangs up when asked, but the Geiger counter reads "DANGER!!" Then I see some EPA employees being given a very sudden job termination. In situation like this, it would be justified for any citizen to give them their walking papers, personally. Their new job will be to report to a 6 foot hole in the ground at the nearest boot hill.

Or they can keep their jobs, and everyone can just ignore it and happily report to the nearest disintegration station, just like in that old star trek original series episode.

edit on 22-1-2014 by alienreality because: added

Newsflash for you.The EPA sold out to big business years ago.Their staff come from big business and corporate interests.

It's a revolving door.All the agencies have been corrupted by this method.

They don't care about you or anyone.

FYI:

The seen Geiger Counter are the one of the best in their Class,
the Victoreen 700 is still reliable and the Inspector Alert too,
i doubt that they are wrong,
but the radiation is not from F'Shima
as we can read in the Reports!

This Story is typical how a simple Video get Viral,
this is killing People and we need to be much more Responsible
with what we are transporting!

This thread belongs in to the Hoax Bin!

MConnalley
I live in San Diego and my hair has thinned and is falling out suddenly October last year. Im 23 and baldness nor does hair loss occur until much later in my family.

Do you visit a Med. because of your Problem?

There are many reasons for your Symptom.

But it is not F'Shima Radiation!

How can i say this?
Because you are a single case,
when F'Shima would be the reason we would see much more cases
like you but we don’t, not even in and around Daiichi
because you need to accumulate a lot of Radiation in a very short Time!

Please visit a Doc because there is something wrong with you!

People are worrying about the dumbest stuff nowadays... It's sad how un-selfifficiant the modern world is.

ShadeWolf
reply to post by rickymouse

 

Only in the shed? What's it built from, and what's the local geology like? My top theory for that would be that you're living on granite bedrock and have a radon seep somewhere in the foundation of your shed.

It's only around the sand salt mixture. The sand was a sand sausage I bought from the store. The salt is also from the store. There is no way of knowing where these come from.

I have radon in my well, but it is of no concern to me. I put a piece of charcoal near the water when it was running and tested the charcoal. The radon attaches to the carbon and it sets off the service meter. That is a way to test for radon.

I am guessing that the salt is reacting with the sand and creating radon and maybe there are some organics in the container from dust and various stuff floating around. Either that or the sand contains something that is being released by the action of the salt. This is probably not dangerous. There are three or four kinds of radon, not all radons are bad for us, one of them, the kind found near streams and lakes, is actually beneficial to us a little. The radon testing does not distinguish between these I think, I confronted a Radon testing guy in the Menards parking lot and talked to him about this. He said there is some areas of bad radon around here but most is harmless, being either the neutral or slightly beneficial kind. I asked him if the tests distinguished the good from the bad and he said he did not think so. He said that because their tests could not distinguish good from bad, all radon is considered bad. I think this may be a scam myself in most cases, being a tactic that is used to stimulate the economy.

So if radon is in moving water and it accumulates on carbon, this may be what is happening in California on the shore. How many bonfires have been built on the beaches there in the past, leaving charcoal scattered all over the place. Radon even collects on the dust on your table, bacteria can not thrive on the table then. The charge shorts out their nervous system when they come in contact with the charge. Dust always contains traces of radiation if it contains carbon. I suppose this is one of the reasons that some people are intolerant to dust. Our airways contain microbes that help us, the radon gets these microbes pissed and they excrete chemicals and turn into a ball. These chemicals cause us to have a histamine reaction like those of a severe infection, and we cough. This is what happens to people who don't smoke when they come into contact with tobacco smoke. They have more microbes in their airways and the reaction of these microbes to the smoke causes them to excrete their chemicals and go into a ball too. The people who smoke have less microbes in their airways, or microbes that can live comfortably in the environment that smoking has created. Now these bacteria in nonsmokers airways do not even like the smell of smoke on people's clothes. They make the person try to move away from the smoker by chemical excretions. Cigarettes do give off radon attached to carbon, all fire gives off radon. But we have evolved with fire, our bodies are used to smoke from natural campfires, it helps moderate the bacteria in the lungs.

People have been led to believe something that makes them more susceptible to antiphilactic reactions because of this, not only from cigarettes but from everything. Incense will also help moderate these bacteria, as will candles. Notice everything I am talking about contains carbon and fire. Smoke is an adjuvant, it makes things happen in the body.

Although I do not all the particulars of this, I see a trend emerging from studying this subject.

reply to post by LightAssassin


No he is not telling lies. He is spreading BS fear.

There is indeed higher background radiation on that beach. But NONE of it can be traced to Fukushima. Try reading this.

Are high radiation readings being observed on the west coast of the United States? No doubt you’ve seen the video of a man in San Francisco, California using a Geiger Counter showing high radiation readings on the beach. Enter Dan Sythe, the CEO of International Medcom Inc. that develops and produces radiation detection instruments and systems. Dan has a list of impressive credentials on everything Geiger Counter related. At the Geiger Counter Bulletin, he tests the same California sand and compares it to readings from Fukushima. Take Home: The radiation signature in the coastal sands is normal and is not the same as from Fukushima. Favorite Quote: “The radionuclides are in the NORM class of radioactive substances, not from Fukushima. NORM stands for Naturally Occurring Radioactive Material…If the sand were contaminated by radiation from Fukushima it would show Cesium 137 [it does not].” Super Favorite Bonus Quote: “The radiation level [in the sand] is elevated, but roughly equivalent to some granite counter top material from Brazil.”

LINK to PROOF THE SF STORY IS BS

I (unlike most) took the time to delve into the backgrounds of the scientists that contribute to Deep Sea News. I looked into their politics, backers and paychecks. Sine I am CERTAIN no one else spreading BS doom porn has I am gonna go ahead and post this. Although I am certain that the panic loving doom porn pumping folks will refute the claims of these scientists without doping ANY research at all.

Deny Ignorance.

Should we work on the radiation map also? It is running around making headlines, one small problem, it is not a radiation map....

This isn’t a map of radiation, it’s a map of wave estimated hight after the Tohuku Tsunami. So why is there so much outrage and fear around Fukushima radiation, even when there is evidence to suggest it’s not as bad as we fear? To answer this, I invited psychologists Anselma Hartley and Joachim Krueger to contribute this guest post. Anselma received her Ph.D. from Brown University in 2013 and is currently on the job market. She researches social cognition and the assessment of personality change. You can find her on Twitter: @anselmahartley. Joachim is a professor of psychology at Brown University, a social psychologist, and author of the Psychology Today blog One Among Many.

Now lets talk about something else called Confirmation Bias.

]Let’s talk Confirmation Bias Why do some people hold fast to apocalyptic ideas, like Fukushima radiation, even when the best available evidence suggests that the world is not about to end? Confirmation bias is the term psychologists use to describe the behavior of testing an idea by searching for evidence that supports it. This tendency to confirm pre-existing beliefs creates and maintains false perceptions of reality because people fail to acknowledge information to the contrary, even when readily available. The strongest type of confirmation bias arises from a motivation or a need to see the world as we want to see it. Here, confirmatory information is purposely sought out and any information challenging our preconceived notions is ignored, discounted, or dismissed. Confirmation bias can play a role in the angry reactions to scientific evidence regarding the scope and effects of the Fukushima accident. Although evidence suggests that radiation emanating from Fukushima will not reach a catastrophic level on an ocean or global scale, many people remain convinced that the risks to human and ocean health are enormous.

Link to strory on confirmation bias - IMO a must read for all the doom porn folks

Doom porn is much more fun but with the official ATS mission of denying ignorance? Umm okay....

reply to post by Mamatus


While that is a very good post it fails to acknowledge several things.

When both men go to the beach to measure radiation they are on the sand for a fair while before the counter starts to go off. IF the radiation is normal levels found in sand why does the radiation count spike only when they get closer to the water? By the scientists logic those radiation levels should start the moment they step onto the sand....but this isn't the case.

Secondly, Too many industries, too many people losing jobs, too much instability and fear would be created by an admission that radiation levels were unsafe in the Pacific therefore ensuring people and companies would have to stop fishing in the Pacific. This goes for the entire Northern Pacific rim....China, Russia, Japan, South-east Asia, USA, Canada, Mexico. A similar cover-up has happened with the BP Oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico so this type of event is not unheard of.

I'm not a massive fan of Doom Porn but I'd prefer to be cautious when dealing with radioactive incidents....especially since once the damage to your body is done....it can't be undone.

reply to post by LightAssassin

If you had taken the time to read the article the answer to the questions you asked were there. But since this is the new ATS and few care to actually research things any longer I will help you out with your question.

Nuclear waste dump From 1946 to 1970, the sea around the Farallones was used as a nuclear dumping site for radioactive waste under the authority of the United States Atomic Energy Commission at a site known as the Farallon Island Nuclear Waste Dump. Most of the dumping took place before 1960, and all dumping of radioactive wastes by the United States was terminated in 1970. By then, 47,500 55 gallon steel drum containers had been dumped in the vicinity, with a total estimated radioactive activity of 14,500 Curies. The materials dumped were mostly laboratory materials containing traces of contamination. Much of the radioactivity had decayed by 1980. The exact location of the containers and the potential hazard the containers pose to the environment are unknown. Waste containers were shipped to Hunters Point Shipyard, then loaded onto barges for transportation to the Farallones. Containers were weighted with concrete. Those that floated were sometimes shot with rifles to sink them.

Link to story

It took me about 20 seconds to search Google for your answer btw........ I typed in Nuclear Waste dumped off California.

reply to post by Mamatus


OK, so it's not NORM (Naturally Occuring Radioactive Material) as posited in your first reply and instead it is now Radioactive waste in the form of Pharmaceuticals dumped off the coast back in the 60's?

OK then. Maybe you should contact them and inform them of the radioactive waste that was dumped before the 70's that may be giving them the false NORM readings.