Rendlesham Forest…, A Christmas Story from 1980 - Can We ‘Let it Be’?

originally posted by: mirageman
For more information I suggest you read page 177 where it's all laid out.

However on the Halt night (27th/28th Dec 1980) Burroughs & Bustinza are reported to have headed towards the 'light'. Bustinza fell to the ground and described Burroughs as being enveloped in light. Then the light vanished leaving both men confused as to what had happened. I would guess that if Burroughs injuries were sustained in the forest then this was the moment it happened.

Duly noted.

Thanks

originally posted by: AdamE
I run out of room on the last post, but to try and wrap things with questions just on my mind.

Was a beam of Gamma 'tickled' by an alternating THz beam within a triangulated area for Airborne approach Radar testing?

Would the effect of a gamma source have any implications on the soil and its composition? (if containing quartz,say?)

Would any of these various combination of factors give rise to exotic effects as described by Dr. Eric Davis when discussing traversable wormholes?

I don't have the expertise to answer any of those questions I am afraid, except possibly the second but only, as I have previously indicated, to factor in the presence of microbial life, residing in and constituting soil, providing neutron rich transportation systems that thrive in anaerobic conditions.

If we go back to the link that mirageman supplies to page 177 of the summary of events, and just take Halt's (for the sake of any of them) description of a red light over a larger yellow light which in turn is projecting a blue light, we have three energy states in some kind of controlled conjunction or co-operation. It could be a craft. It could be something glowing very hot and if it grew so hot as to explode that could explain part of what Halt saw but not all of it (if indeed any of it can be believed). I personally think that what Halt describes sounds more like a bubble bursting scattering it's energy rich contents to the winds. Or something equally romantic. That's my bias, but I also see that if we accept that we live in an environment that is rich in electromagnetic diversity that introducing man-made fields is going to have consequences on those systems that have evolved to exploit, reproductively, such naturally occurring influences and forces. Some may thrive, some may not.

This is by no means what I am offering as an explanation to RFI, there is clearly much more involved than the lights themselves whatever they were, but I am happy that the lights can be explained as a naturally occurring phenomena that may or may not be exacerbated or accelerated by co-opting man-made EMF.

Or something like that...it's always a work in progress

originally posted by: penroc3
the Paul Benowitz story is way more interesting to me

I think it is also interesting in terms of how Penniston's narrative has rolled out. William Moore claimed/admitted to trying to push Bennewitz over the edge. How much validity do we give that claim? It could though help to explain some of Penniston's behaviour, that combined with the "juicy temporal lobes" that would, like Bennewitz, make him vulnerable to some suggestions.

We certainly know that they're capable of playing such games with people's santity and lives.

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

Energy Requirements Of The Platform AKA Why Don't We Have Psychic Squirrels?

Hey Trouty,

There's another way to look at the nature of the injuries in the RFI. In a financial crime, for instance, fake charities, we could look at the volumes of money. In this case, we can, initially ignore the details, and simply look at energy requirements.

I'm going to suspend critical thinking on things like "are the injuries from the RFI, are they real, are their peer reviewed papers etc".

Like working out the basal metabolic rate of an individual, we can calculate ball park figures for how much energy this phenomena was using. In fact, when I first joined here, one of my first threads was on the radiation output of whatever was in the woods. You can't get an accurate figure obviously, but I:
- Looked at the injuries and figured out how many rads would be needed in terms of hospital X-rays to get similar injuries (there are treatments that can result in similar outcomes)
- Calculated the Sieverts required, based on approximate distances

You can then see the power required to expose the airmen. In fact, all I could reasonably work out was that it had to be like a portable mini power station to give the men this exposure. Of course, we soon learned it was non-ionising radiation and therefore it was a much harder fit.

Until now. Hal Puthoff tells us at his earthtec site that the exposure is Dr Green's Millimeter / Terahertz radiation PLUS a gamma ray beam.

Now we can legitimately argue that the power requirements of a beam are far lower than an always on / emitted field. Particularly if the beam is using micro pulses (something we have to do to deal with the huge power requirements).

The thing is... if you have a beam that is micro pulsed, you are doing that because you need the output, but can't afford to "phaser beam" it. So it's a compromise.

Plus, if it's a beam you turn on and off, then it's likely you turn it on for a reason.

Satellite Platform?
A satellite platform could have the power
No satellite platform could reasonably target the airmen
No satellite platform could reach their hearts
No satellite beam of that mixture could penetrate the far in the atmosphere

Sea based platform
A ship could provide the power
A ship based weapon could not successfully image / target the men in the woods
A ship baed weapon could not fire at either the hearts or antenna area of the airmen

Fixed Land Based Platform
A fixed large installation could provide the power
A fixed large installation could target the men until they got into the woods
A fixed large installation would suffer from attention of the beam in the damp atmosphere (it kill terahertz to a massive degree)

a Mobile Platform
It is hard to see how a fixed mobile platform would have the power to generate gamma ray pulses
It could manoeuvre to target the men
Attenuation of the beam wouldn't matter with close proximity

A fixed indoor platform
A hospital type location could provide the power
A hospital room could provide the targeting accuracy
Does not fit with the experience of any of the men
Seems pointless.

a natural emission stimulated by an experiment
- The atmosphere can't store that much energy. Remember, that even though the areas where the men would be would need to be 'energised', so would every other cubic meter of atmosphere. We can change this problem into if the the volume of the woods needs to be at x energy per square centimetre, you can then determine how much smaller the emission would be 10 meters away, 20 meters away. You then need to work that out back to the experiment site.



You could argue it was only small areas of the forest, but then it's not a general field, it's a targetted transmission from outside the woods to inside. Again, you aren't getting through that much foliage, wood and damp atmosphere. Beyond that, why would you even bother. Put the equipment in the wood, assuming you care about the location.

- Has the highest power requirements
- The large radius of the area effected would almost certainly include the hangers and runways. Even the base generators.

To my mind, there are only two plausible hypotheses based on the energy requirements
- A mobile platform
- A secure facility where the men were taken

NATO forces would not spend their time creating a fake event to get men into a room, to use a beam that would effect them in 30 years for no clear purpose. There would be much easier ways to trick the men into that without the RFI. For instance, you need a medical. Of course, the use of the beam would be pointless as far as we can see.

Soviet forces are not going to risk a loitering platform over the base to shoot men with a short range DEW. They can't get a secure facility on UK soil, and again, what for? It would be a WW3 sized risk for an experiment that shows results decades later.

Which really leaves what the men have been telling us all these years. It was a mobile platform. It came back repeatedly, and everyone who got close seems to have gotten zapped by the combo ray. Power requirements, distance to target, mobility, risk of loitering. It's the only option that makes sense.

You can of course argue that it was an exotic propulsion system, versus a weapon.

In which case, how many Cows do we see with the "antenna"?

originally posted by: ctj83

Which really leaves what the men have been telling us all these years. It was a mobile platform. It came back repeatedly, and everyone who got close seems to have gotten zapped by the combo ray. Power requirements, distance to target, mobility, risk of loitering. It's the only option that makes sense.

You can of course argue that it was an exotic propulsion system, versus a weapon.

In which case, how many Cows do we see with the "antenna"?

We can debate until the cows come home heh but I'm glad you brought cows up. Greg Valdez (son of Gabe Valdez) published a book that I consider one of the very most important books as regards modern ufology (and mythology) titled Dulce Base The Truth and Evidence From the Case Files of Gabe Valdez.

Here's the Amazon blurb:

FINALLY YOU WILL GET THE TRUE STORY AND EVIDENCE BEHIND THE MYSTERIES SURROUNDING DULCE, NEW MEXICO. SEE WHAT AND WHO IS BEHIND THE CATTLE MUTILATIONS AND THE ALLEGED UNDERGROUND ALIEN BASE IN DULCE. YOU WILL ALSO HEAR THE STORY OF PAUL BENNEWITZ AND SEE WHAT REALLY HAPPENED ON THE JICARILLA APACE RESERVATION. FOR THE FIRST TIME, YOU WILL SEE SECRETS THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT WANT YOU TO KNOW.

In 1976, Gabe Valdez became one of the leading investigators into the cattle mutilation mystery that was spreading across the United States; based on his employment with the New Mexico State Police. As he started investigating the mutilations on the Gomez ranch outside of Dulce, New Mexico, he stumbled into much more than he bargained for. His investigative findings led to a close friendship with Paul Bennewitz who was involved in a massive government-authorized disinformation campaign originating out of Kirtland Air Force Base in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

The harrowing tale of Paul Bennewitz led to the story of the alleged underground alien base near Dulce, New Mexico. For the first time, you will see what really happened in Dulce during the 1980 s and you will see what the government does not want you to know. This true story is full of plot twists that were intentionally created by Air Force Intelligence and other clandestine Intelligence agencies associated with the United State Government. This book will separate fact from fiction and you will final be able to see the truth. Get ready to read about military projects that are still currently classified and get to the bottom of this mystery. You will now have access to photos and evidence belonging to Paul Bennewitz and others which tell a very interesting story which have never been released to the public.

I believe it pretty much lives up to its promise and I believe Greg reveals what the cattle mutilations were all about.

Greg stopped in to Torsion's thread to chat awhile back:

Dulce Base - upcoming book by Greg valdez

Here's a bit Greg had to say there about happenings around Dulce and relates to Kirtland:

If you have time to do some research, look into microwave and laser propulsion systems and you will find a wealth of information. Do not type UFO technology when you search for this information. If you look at this specific technology you will see how it applies to Dulce and there is a wealth of knowledge if you know what you are looking for. I hope this answers some of your questions.

Greg also has much to say in the book about how Bigelow used NDAs to hamstring his father and other folk.

a reply to: The GUT

I enjoyed the book, but Greg actually refuses to name the source, as I remember it? Am I missing something?

So, I suspect was Ben Mezrach...

a reply to: The GUT

Thanks gut, interesting thread there to add to my reading list.

Not that I want to throw off the thread, but why always cows that are reported...? Probably answered my own question there though..

a reply to: ctj83

Cool that you read it. I found most of his points well argued with quite a bit of evidentiary items provided for a good portion of it. Certainly some theory in there too admittedly.

Was Ben Mezrach in Greg's book? If so I forgot the name.

a reply to: The GUT

I thoroughly enjoyed the book but I quickly noticed clear inconsistencies between what Gabe is on video as having said and what Greg says Gabe believed.

I don't find that too odd though, people's views change and sometime you might want to phrase things one way until you can prove that it really is the other.

The thing that bothers me most about the book though, is that is essentially pro Dulce base, something I've always considered an outgrowth of a concerted attempt to divert people - peaking with SERPO.

Regarding Ben, I was referring to his book, the 37th Parallel about Chuck Zuckowski, although if you read the book, it seems like it was intended to be focussed on Bigelow but for "reasons" had to be changed.

a reply to: ctj83

Am getting lost. Where does this fit the RFI?

a reply to: Willtell

They're not going to tell us what was being covered up since that was the reason for all the chicanery with Bennewitz in the first place or, unlikely, there is an alien angle their covering up. Either way, they’re not going to tell us a damn thing and neither is any researcher likely to get anything about what Bennewitz was seeing

There is some information out there hinting heavily that Bennewitz uncovered evidence of a top secret U.S. Air Force project. A project designed to monitor and maybe even 'interfere' with the operation of satellites launched by the Soviet Union.

People may recall what was pointed out back on page 257 of the thread.

The Zenit-6 satellite launch schedule out of the Soviet Union was running at two week intervals between all launches from October until Christmas 1980 . Reducing to around one a month afterwards. These were all hi-res capable reconnaissance-satellites. What were they looking at or for in that last quarter of 1980? The same period Richard Doty enters the Bennewitz story.

It's also a fact that Soviet satellite Kosmos 1227 ended its mission prematurely after 12 days, just a few hours after the third night of the RFI on 28th Dec 1980 and just a day before the Space Shuttle Colombia was rolled out onto the tarmac in Florida ahead of its first official mission.

37 years later Richard Doty claimed he's seen secret documents relating to Rendlesham back in the 1984. Throw that all into the pot and what do we have?

Is there some substance to all of that? A link between Kirtland AFB and Bentwaters in December 1980? I don't know. The Doty factor is most interesting and most concerning here.

a reply to: Baablacksheep

Do you remember the name of the face they both saw? Why does no one talk about that now?

Can you see a connection with what Tom Delonge revealed?

a reply to: ctj83

Greek gods. Yes Ctj83.

a reply to: mirageman

I was under the impression the whole starfire thing was known about?

Interesting side note the ISS still uses lasercomms out of Edwards afb

Looks like TTSA have acquired materials from guess where? Link to Hi-Res Version

Samples seem to have been analysed back in 2015 according to the dating of the memo which is a snapshot of the latest ADAM project teaser

originally posted by: ctj83

To my mind, there are only two plausible hypotheses based on the energy requirements
- A mobile platform
- A secure facility where the men were taken

So then, all suspension of disbelief now set aside, it would appear to me that the description of the cause of the injuries is a simple misdirect, meant both to distract and appease Burroughs from pursuing his suit to obtain his medical records and in the wider sense to maintain control over the direction of the narrative (generally and specifically).

originally posted by: pigsy2400
Not that I want to throw off the thread, but why always cows that are reported...? Probably answered my own question there though..

Evidently sheep and horses have suffered similiar fates. Clostridium has been found in some of the carcasses. Clostridium is one of the bacterias that were trialed as a potential biological weapon at Fort Detrick. I was actually wondering if something like the E77 Balloon bombs that they initially used in experiments to disperse the biological agents had been brought up at any time in relation to whatever crashed at Roswell. Claiming aliens seems to keep other snoopers away. It makes me wonder what stories were about to break when the News of the World ran the Rendlesham story in the first place. What didn't they want us to notice?

a reply to: mirageman

What I can extract from that, and it is very little, the samples that were tested in regards to Rendlesham, and of which they have no clear providence of where and when they were obtained, are in fact comprised of materials commonly used during or since WWII.

Not quite a carburetor, but close.

I can only read the right-hand side, there may still be some unexpected and ground-breaking revelation to be had from the left.

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

I think you have made a very good point .

a reply to: ctj83

Am waiting for them to tell us its from the future.