The Solway Firth spaceman a new theory

ATSZOMBIE
Yes looks to me to be an early USAF Stealth aircraft test, it wasn't uncommon for them to fly over populated areas back then and this seems to be the most likely explanation. Case closed.

Are you taking part in a different thread,but typed your answer in this one instead?

Why has the little girl, obviously now a grown women never spoken about this to back up her fathers claims? She should now speak publicly about it now her fathers dead and explain what went on that day, would be interesting!

reply to post by Gazthagooner

The little girl would need a superhuman memory and eyes in the back of her head to add anything, and besides, I see no reason to doubt the father's story in general and take him mostly at his word.

The fact that he doesn't recognize his own wife is understandable considering how overexposed she is, and the fact that he didn't see her when he took the picture is explained by the undersized viewfinder.

After studying both photo's very closely i am in no doubt that the figure is the girl/women sitting on the grass next to Jim's daughter. In the photo with the figure you can sort of make out a pattern on the dress next to what would be her left arm, the dress she is wearing in the other photo clearly has a light pattern on it, sort of spotty. Also in the spaceman picture you can see what looks like a triangular piece of material below her hair, a dark spot shows the point in the middle of this material, in the other picture this triangular material can also be made out on her dress with the dark pointed spot in exactly the same place as it appears on the spaceman
The two links I used to compare pictures are here
anthonyeccles.wordpress.com...

bamssatria22.wordpress.com...

Tell me what you think.

Also I doubt she would need a superhuman memory to remember that day I can remember lots of stuff from a young age usually significant things that happend back then, and I'm sure that picture a has a significant impact on her life from the day she first looked at it, I'm sure she would remember all the attention her family received from the media etc and the bullying she received relating to the photo hence why Jim removed her from school I'm sure those things would make her remember that day quite well.

Gazthagooner
Also I doubt she would need a superhuman memory to remember that day

She may remember the day, but that's not what she needs a superhuman memory to remember. To add anything she would have to recall the position of her mother at the instant that picture was taken. Since she doesn't have eyes in the back of her head, that's why it would be superhuman to recall where her mother was when the shot was taken.

reply to post by Gazthagooner

My earliest memories are from the age of 4 years,but only from the seeing the photos.I remember where I was when they were taken (I was there obviously) but no other details.Or do I not really remember and it's just some sort of deja vu thing triggered by the photo?

Imagewerx
reply to post by Gazthagooner

 

My earliest memories are from the age of 4 years,but only from the seeing the photos.I remember where I was when they were taken (I was there obviously) but no other details.Or do I not really remember and it's just some sort of deja vu thing triggered by the photo?

memories, like all other forms of mental activity are subject the brain filling in the gaps so as to produce continuity. Here is a fantastic article by Oliver Sacks about memory: Speak,Memory

ZetaRediculian
reply to post by foxbarking

 

um? It looks like a space man from the future. You quoted someone else and then quoted my sarcasm. Anyway, there is no way it's a space man from the future. Do you even know what a space man from the future looks like?

ZetaRediculian
...personally, im going with a picture of the mother taken from an odd angle from a very low tech camera 50 years ago.... as less stupid.

edit on 29-1-2014 by ZetaRediculian because: (no reason given)

Yeah, sorry about that ZetaRediculian, I didn't mean to post the response to you but to the person who made the comment. I had been up for over 48 hours and had been reading about this picture on many different websites. My response was intended to be directed at Athlonsavage's posts and not yours. I had to go back now and put it all back together in my head since i was really gone. But I am sorry about that.

The point I was trying to make in my post was the point that you were trying to get across with the sarcasm that no one could know what a spaceman looks like. Sorry about the error.

Interesting theory. I tend to agree that the angle of the arm would make it the "back" of someone/something. I'm not sure about the riding a horse part. I would think a horse would be seen - or at least have shown up in the 1st or 3rd photo in the set. At least the theory is thinking out of the box.

The thing that bothers me, and I just happened to watch a show on TV on this the other night, is that the supposed MIB that visited him afterward specifically asked him "where was the 2nd figure"? That implies that they knew there were two. And how did they even know to talk to him? Why question someone over a wife, or horse, or random person? The dad didn't even see a 2nd being. He didn't actually physically see the 1st one either, until he developed the pictures.

This was the show I watched the other night if you're interested...

ZetaRediculian

Imagewerx
reply to post by Gazthagooner

 

My earliest memories are from the age of 4 years,but only from the seeing the photos.I remember where I was when they were taken (I was there obviously) but no other details.Or do I not really remember and it's just some sort of deja vu thing triggered by the photo?

memories, like all other forms of mental activity are subject the brain filling in the gaps so as to produce continuity. Here is a fantastic article by Oliver Sacks about memory: Speak,Memory

I'd also recommend reading journal articles on the Deese Roediger McDermott memory paradigm. My work is in social psychology and although I tend to study suicide, I have done studies concerning the reliability of eye witness testimony and memory in court cases. Exactly as you said, everyone fills in the blanks in their memory. In fact, I would go as far as saying there is no such thing as an eidetic memory.

For example, one of my former professors has a deep scar on his forehead. He had an extremely vivid memory of getting his shoelace caught in an escalator and falling and the metal of the steps ripped his head open. When he went back, he discovered that his brother had hit him in the head head with a mop head replacement. His mind had developed a memory that had never happened. The only connection in his memory was that the gash was caused by metal, the rest was created in his mind.

reply to post by foxbarking

Yeah, sorry about that ZetaRediculian, I didn't mean to post the response to you but to the person who made the comment.

no worries. It happens.

I had been up for over 48 hours and had been reading about this picture on many different websites.

The same thing happened to me when I discovered internet porn.

In fact, I would go as far as saying there is no such thing as an eidetic memory.

That's a tough sell around here but I am with you. It is really quite amazing that we can even function considering how much our own brains lie to us. Its like a built in delusion machine rather than a recording device.

ZetaRediculian

That's a tough sell around here but I am with you. It is really quite amazing that we can even function considering how much our own brains lie to us. Its like a built in delusion machine rather than a recording device.

Yeah I have seen some pretty amazing studies regarding the fallible nature of memory. One being eye witness lineups that do not have any real suspects in first experimental group, a mix of real suspects and no suspects in the second experimental group and a control group of a regular lineup where each lineup has a real suspect in it. The first experimental group had more participants absolutely positive that they identified the right suspect and the control group had the lowest. It was really interesting.

Now I don't go as far as to say that every alleged supernatural event or proposed extra-terrestrial encounter is due to this, but a large percentage likely are.

reply to post by foxbarking


That is really interesting. I would love your input HERE if you don't mind.

reply to post by TruthGypsy

Yes I have seen that video before,here's the comment I left on Youtube about it.......

"What an unbelievable load of crap,someone with Nick Pope's excellent credentials should be ashamed of himself for taking part in something like this.There was never any mention of two alleged aliens by the alleged men in black.The photos of the girl without the figure in the background have been photoshopped to get rid of it,there have only ever been two of the three photos taken there that day that have made it into the public domain,this one and the one that shows the wife to the girls right picking flowers.
The figure in the photo is non other than Jim's wife Annie,he just didn't see her because of the limited viewfinder coverage of early SLR cameras such as the one Jim was using that day.
Talk about trying to make a sensational story out of nothing.How can the wife of a Carlisle fireman who likes to accompany the family on trips to local beauty spots be about to bring about the downfall of all humanity?"

I now believe that the men in black part of this story is mostly if not completely made up,and was just Jim's attempt to give his story a bit more credibility.

foxbarking

ZetaRediculian

That's a tough sell around here but I am with you. It is really quite amazing that we can even function considering how much our own brains lie to us. Its like a built in delusion machine rather than a recording device.

Yeah I have seen some pretty amazing studies regarding the fallible nature of memory. One being eye witness lineups that do not have any real suspects in first experimental group, a mix of real suspects and no suspects in the second experimental group and a control group of a regular lineup where each lineup has a real suspect in it. The first experimental group had more participants absolutely positive that they identified the right suspect and the control group had the lowest. It was really interesting.

Now I don't go as far as to say that every alleged supernatural event or proposed extra-terrestrial encounter is due to this, but a large percentage likely are.

There would seem to be a great many members on here could possibly suffer from this judging by some of the threads and posts created.

reply to post by wmd_2008

There would seem to be a great many members on here could possibly suffer from this

I like to call it "being human". People don't suffer from being human. Just a pet peeve...maybe they suffer from not being aware of their humanness?

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but shouldn't there be a shadow from the supposed person in the background, based on the shadows on the girl. ie:



Which, to me, would indicate a hoax.

reply to post by redtic

Yes it has been mentioned many,many times.The photo has been analysed enough to know for certain that what ever it is that can be seen in the photo was there when it was taken.
Going by the length of the other shadows in the photo,it can't be all that long past midday,so the sun is still quite high in the sky.The shadow from the person in the background would be towards the top of the incline and still easily hidden by the girls head.

The More one delves into this case, the more it appears to be a "mistaken" hoax.

The Figure in the background, is clearly the same person bending on the grass next to the young girl.

Now, if the mother was wearing a blue dress that day, and could say, yes Iam bending down next to my daughter, then there would be no further investigation and the case would be closed. But it appears that she didnt come forward and admit that it is her bending down on the grass....so who is that person? Why were'nt they identified?.

The "Firth" has CLEARLY been identified to have a tidal bank constructed in the 1800s as a defence to the sea.
This bank is approx 1 metre (1 yard) higher than the position of the young girl photo......The person in the background is therefore 1 metre higher than the subject, and could easily be outside the old viewfinder to the cameraman.

There is a picture of the mother and Jim holding the photo. The mother looks a typical 60s 30+yo woman, but has Dark curlyish hair, whereas the female in the blue dress, kneeling with the daughter appears to have blonde hair in a classic 60s girly bob cut.
So, is this the same person? Yes women did dye their hair then and use rollers for "Special Occasions"....but why didnt the mother say, oh yes thats me kneeling next to my daughter? There seems to be no record of that.

Apparently Jim turned into a bit of a Cumbrian "UFO" celebrity. He "Apparently" photographed a UFO in this similar area not long after, and became a minor tv star. Sort of the Cumbrian George Adamski.

Who knows what these people had in their brain for motivation.......does'nt matter really.

But from the evidence shown, you could be 99.9% certain that the "Spaceman" behind the girl, is the same person bending over and kneeling next to the girl.

It is ridiculous that this has gone on for as long as it has.

Real a fluke photo, misidentified, then it got out of hand and too big for them to deny. So the lies just kept going.

A bit like the US Govt. and Roswell/UFOs coverup.

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