Higgs Boson and Relativity FRAUD

reply to post by KrzYma

electrons are not waves, the electric field is, more exactly the change in space creates one

According to quantum mechanics, the electrons and all other particles are waves (at least when not being observed). That is conclusively proven by the double slit experiment.

OccamsRazor04

KrzYma
reply to post by Lighterside

 

have a nice day!

you really think English is the only language in the world ??
if this is not ignorance I don't know...

No, but we do think Einstein said you can NOT attach motion to "ether", and then you say Einstein says ether exists and motion proves Einstein wrong. You do the exact thing Einstein PROVED you can not do, and when things don't add up you claim Einstein is wrong .. even though it's 100% proven you are.

OK, lets start over...

Einstein's relativity.. well, he needed two theories as one was not enough, he postulated motion is relative and there can be no preferred reference frame. means... If I move relative to you I can also say you move relative to me, right ?

this means if I move relative to the Ether, I can also say Ether moves relative to me.
can not be! the whole universe ?? I require small energy to change my path, in reverse the whole Universe needs to change the path, can you see the energy required for this??

now...
because Higgs field, as scientists say, create the mass of the particle, as particles moves through it.
Ether is unthinkable for the relativity,( ether has to be motionless so everything else can move though it to become the mass particles are )
Einstein said there can be no preferred reference frame otherwise it doesn't work.
If ether existed, it would simply doesn't work for Einstein and his theory.
Yes, he admitted there must be some kind of Ether later on. (?)

so, if there is an Ether that holds the Higgs field,( or the Higgs field itself as Ether), and movement inside this Ether create the mass, there musts be a point where particle still exist but do not move relative to the Ether, in this case they must be massless what can not be !!

All this contradicts the principles of conservation of energy, which is again, just another theory

If there is an Ether, relativity is wrong, if relativity is right there is no Ether and there can not be any Higgs filed.

No Higgs field no mass, If Higgs field, no relativity

PS: actually I did a mistake talking about motion path change and relativity in one though.
special relativity doesn't allow any acceleration what so ever to be hold

ChaoticOrder
reply to post by KrzYma

 

electrons are not waves, the electric field is, more exactly the change in space creates one

According to quantum mechanics, the electrons and all other particles are waves (at least when not being observed). That is conclusively proven by the double slit experiment.

double split experiment only proofs that a field, in this case electro magnetic field, can interact with itself if it has been "broke up" into pieces.

all other experiments with electrons or even protons, atoms what ever make no difference.

before they shoot any of this particles through the slits, they ionise them so they can be accelerated.
In this form they are not just particles, but charged particles. A charge creates a field and if it moves it creates waves, waves interact... also with themselves... and so on...

KrzYmathis means if I move relative to the Ether, I can also say Ether moves relative to me.
can not be! the whole universe ?? I require small energy to change my path, in reverse the whole Universe needs to change the path, can you see the energy required for this??

Did not bother reading the rest because you STILL do not get it. You can not attach movement to ether. Ether has NO mechanical properties. NONE.

I keep telling you and you refuse to listen. You keep talking about the PRE EINSTEIN Ether and attaching that to Einstein. Those theories are dead, Einstein proved them wrong. DO NOT talk about movement and ether.

Think of gravity as Ether .. or perhaps spooky action at a distance will be found to be connected to the "ether" Einstein postulated.

Basically what I believe happened was Einsteins friend/mentor believed in ether and Einstein simply used the term ether in support of his friend. He 100% proved that ether, in the manner it was conceptualized, was false, did not exist, and could not exist.

I've read the post three times and I still haven't found the 'fraud'.

This ether was just early prototypes of the theory of relativity. Not to mention that ether has never been detected or accepted by the scientific community.

reply to post by Lighterside

You're right. The OP is the troller here. I've read him on other forums asking the very same question. He doesn't care about your answer or how valid it may be. He simply will not accept your reply (actually, he doesn't understand it anyway) unless it's in total agreement with his brain dead notions. He's an idiot, and it's pointless to reply to him.

KrzYma

winofiend
Can you provide a point of reference for me?

Can you tell me at which point you would never be moving? To have the question you pose, answered, I'd like to know what you are referring to when you ask that.

Do you mean, just standing still?

this is exactly the point. I can NOT give you any point of reference to the Higgs field. nobody can!
therefore the Higgs field is another made up field to fit the calculus of some theory

I'm asking, not explaining,... now

So what is the point of asking your question if you cannot qualify it. How else do you suppose a 'made up' hypothesis be tested, if not by testing it, anyway?

The field is the unknown thing that gives particles mass as they move through it. Different particles interact resulting in different mass. You don't get to not interact with it. Like swimming in the ocean, in the nude you are fairly streamlined and can swim to shore in no time. But now you're wearing your woollen jumper, denim jeans and ugg boots, you're slowly laboriously sinking as you head towards shore.

You don't not interact with the ocean at any time, whether you want to or not. you just react to the currents and how they cause you to appear within them by the nature of what you are.

You can claim the ocean is made up and nothing more than a waste of time. And others can test to see if there is anything to it.

KrzYma

Antipathy17

KrzYma


if movement in this Higgs field creates mass... right?
what happens if I don't move relative to this filed??
Am I massless ??

No because particles in your body cease to stop moving.

...I wasn't referring to my body as atoms in space, it was more abstract, referring to any, lets say.. electron, somewhere.. not moving in the so called ether or Higgs field

I'm myself nothing, just bunch of... whatever they call it

So you want to make up a new reality to potentially disprove something in this reality.

And you're ok with this? It serves you a purpose?

At night the sun disappears too. Prove me wrong, find me the sun at night.