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Do you think you can talk about what is best for others?
I am saying it is not my right or your right to tell an individual what he/she can do.
I have been a loved one suffering and dying
As we are talking about dementia in some cases there is peace, others have confusion, aggression and agitation this does not mean they want you to kill them.
f you say you are touchy and think others haven't experience of dementia I think it would be a stretch to say you are open minded based on that ( and also considering your fear of suffering).
A new study has found that dementia rates among people 65 and older in England and Wales have plummeted by 25 percent over the past two decades, to 6.2 percent from 8.3 percent, a trend that researchers say is probably occurring across developed countries and that could have major social and economic implications for families and societies.
Another recent study, conducted in Denmark, found that people in their 90s who were given a standard test of mental ability in 2010 scored substantially better than people who had reached their 90s a decade earlier. Nearly one-quarter of those assessed in 2010 scored at the highest level, a rate twice that of those tested in 1998. The percentage of subjects severely impaired fell to 17 percent from 22 percent.
Piot has become an unofficial dementia ambassador ... .
He wants better research, treatment, prevention and cultural change which, when combined, he says, might create a tipping point for dementia. It is "the most neglected of all the neglected health problems and it's a hidden problem because people are at home – they're already written off by society".
Never Despise
Could dementia be caused in part by toxins in food, the environment, industrial processes and products, etc.? Its a question many in industry do not want investigated too closely.
signalfire
To everything else, add prions. These very weird 'folding proteins' are neither alive nor dead, are impossible to cook out of food, and thanks to farmers who didn't want to waste downer cattle and made cannibals out of vegetarian livestock, are now probably infesting our food supply.
snarky412
reply to post by BDBinc
Do you think you can talk about what is best for others?
I am saying it is not my right or your right to tell an individual what he/she can do.
*shakes head*
You missed the whole point
And you are being a hypocrite to boot
First off, I said the PATIENT, not you or me.
The person who is suffering terminally has the right to decide for themselves
Second off, for you to sit there and argue the fact that the person should NOT die, is taking that person's choice away from them.
Do you see the hypocrisy there??
You are only for one choice, which is your right.
However, I am referring to the individual that is suffering, not you
I have been a loved one suffering and dying
Sorry, you lost me here
When one is terminally ill, you never "get better" , you only die, end of story
These are the people that I am referring to, NOT treatable people
And once again, the decision to go early is up to them, not you nor me
As we are talking about dementia in some cases there is peace, others have confusion, aggression and agitation this does not mean they want you to kill them.
Once again, failure on your part to understand my comment
No one is going to "kill" them
It is the RIGHT of the PATIENT to decide what's best for them
NOT you nor me......the patient only
If you know any thing about Kevorkian's work, then you would know that it was the patient's who sought his help for an early death from their terminal painful illness.
And it was set up so the patient could do it to themselves.
That way, the family members never felt any guilt.
[One lady that comes to mind is one that suffered from stomach cancer --Very nasty towards the end.]
Who are we to stop their right to do that?
f you say you are touchy and think others haven't experience of dementia I think it would be a stretch to say you are open minded based on that ( and also considering your fear of suffering).
Wow, just wow
I never mentioned 'Dementia' now did I? Like I said, you didn't read the comments to well.
I said 'TERMINAL ILLNESES' ....got that?????
You know like Cancer? Parkinson's disease?
And it's not MY fear of suffering
It's the seeing suffering of my loved one that hurts
If you don't get that, then I give up.
You clearly haven't the foggiest idea of where I'm coming from.
Please take time to read the comments carefully this time
Thank you
anonentity
reply to post by snarky412
You don't have to euthanize people, just look for the cures that people have had to work out themselves. People get Alzheimer's for what seems a couple of main reasons but the first is the brains inability to get energy because it seems to get an insulin problem. Some researchers think its a form of Diabetes. Coupled with a B vitamin problem. Apparently a lot of people have been taking Extra Virgin Coconut oil, which gives the brain energy in the form of ketones and not sugar. Which in many cases have resulted in the disease going into reverse. But you wont see this getting pushed as its very cheap. it came from a Doctor whose hubby had early onset Alzheimer's and couldn't get him into a new trial. After she read the research document she concluded that the trial was basically feeding the brain ketones instead of sugar. Within weeks her husband was back to normal function.www.earthclinic.com... just go down the page until you hit B12 and coconut oil...There has been so many reported cures on this stuff its getting interesting.edit on 13-12-2013 by anonentity because: (no reason given)
The tread is on dementia.
Why are you talking about cancer and euthanasia on this thread?
Thats why I said don't go there.
To everything else, add prions. These very weird 'folding proteins' are neither alive nor dead, are impossible to cook out of food, and thanks to farmers who didn't want to waste downer cattle and made cannibals out of vegetarian livestock, are now probably infesting our food supply. The fact that the symptoms may take up to 50 years to manifest mean that we'll likely never be able to find the root cause, and modern medicine having its head in the sand to any new idea that threatens their assurance of intellectual superiority compared to the whistle-blowers, it will take decades longer to see the truth than it otherwise should need.
It's time to have a real conversation about voluntary suicide when things get bad enough, take the 'sin' aspect out of it (thanks, church) and realize that sometimes, life isn't worth living anymore.
The US program "Frontline" had an excellent program on voluntary suicide a few months ago, I highly recommend not only the coverage itself, but the information therein. There are worse things than dying. Having a beating heart without any memory is one of them.
You are afraid of suffering.
Death is your solution for others( who are terminally ill), so you do not have to suffer watching them suffer.
No saying patients with dementia should not get euthanised it is not hypocracy.
It is a statement of refusing to say (without knowing the individual) that a group of ill patients should be euthanized.
snarky412
reply to post by BDBinc
The tread is on dementia.
Why are you talking about cancer and euthanasia on this thread?
Thats why I said don't go there.
First of all, my initial comment was in response to signalfire as shown here...first page:
To everything else, add prions. These very weird 'folding proteins' are neither alive nor dead, are impossible to cook out of food, and thanks to farmers who didn't want to waste downer cattle and made cannibals out of vegetarian livestock, are now probably infesting our food supply. The fact that the symptoms may take up to 50 years to manifest mean that we'll likely never be able to find the root cause, and modern medicine having its head in the sand to any new idea that threatens their assurance of intellectual superiority compared to the whistle-blowers, it will take decades longer to see the truth than it otherwise should need.
It's time to have a real conversation about voluntary suicide when things get bad enough, take the 'sin' aspect out of it (thanks, church) and realize that sometimes, life isn't worth living anymore.
The US program "Frontline" had an excellent program on voluntary suicide a few months ago, I highly recommend not only the coverage itself, but the information therein. There are worse things than dying. Having a beating heart without any memory is one of them.
Now then, that is where I picked up on this topic.
If you had taken your time to read through all comments, you would have noticed this.
And I re-read thru your comments and never once did you say to stay away from Cancer or euthanasia.
You just kept on with the lecture against euthanasia......
You are afraid of suffering.
Death is your solution for others( who are terminally ill), so you do not have to suffer watching them suffer.
Oh, so now your an arm-chair psychologist huh?
Don't presume to know me.
I don't believe in making others suffer for my own gratification.
It's called a 'selfless' act to be able to let some one go
If you don't understand, than we'll just end that there
No saying patients with dementia should not get euthanised it is not hypocracy.
It is a statement of refusing to say (without knowing the individual) that a group of ill patients should be euthanized.
Calm down, no one is out to get a group of people.
Please, don't be so dramatic.
BDBinc
snarky412
reply to post by BDBinc
The tread is on dementia.
Why are you talking about cancer and euthanasia on this thread?
Thats why I said don't go there.
First of all, my initial comment was in response to signalfire as shown here...first page:
To everything else, add prions. These very weird 'folding proteins' are neither alive nor dead, are impossible to cook out of food, and thanks to farmers who didn't want to waste downer cattle and made cannibals out of vegetarian livestock, are now probably infesting our food supply. The fact that the symptoms may take up to 50 years to manifest mean that we'll likely never be able to find the root cause, and modern medicine having its head in the sand to any new idea that threatens their assurance of intellectual superiority compared to the whistle-blowers, it will take decades longer to see the truth than it otherwise should need.
It's time to have a real conversation about voluntary suicide when things get bad enough, take the 'sin' aspect out of it (thanks, church) and realize that sometimes, life isn't worth living anymore.
The US program "Frontline" had an excellent program on voluntary suicide a few months ago, I highly recommend not only the coverage itself, but the information therein. There are worse things than dying. Having a beating heart without any memory is one of them.
Now then, that is where I picked up on this topic.
If you had taken your time to read through all comments, you would have noticed this.
And I re-read thru your comments and never once did you say to stay away from Cancer or euthanasia.
You just kept on with the lecture against euthanasia......
You are afraid of suffering.
Death is your solution for others( who are terminally ill), so you do not have to suffer watching them suffer.
Oh, so now your an arm-chair psychologist huh?
Don't presume to know me.
I don't believe in making others suffer for my own gratification.
It's called a 'selfless' act to be able to let some one go
If you don't understand, than we'll just end that there
No saying patients with dementia should not get euthanised it is not hypocracy.
It is a statement of refusing to say (without knowing the individual) that a group of ill patients should be euthanized.
Calm down, no one is out to get a group of people.
Please, don't be so dramatic.
Why don't you then do your own thread on the topic of euthanasia and not tell people on a dementia thread what you think is right for all dementia patients people that you don't even know.
How do you know what memory loss feels like, that you think death is preferable to it for someone else ,you keep talking of things you haven't experienced. What makes you know what makes another persons life livable.
Your topic is voluntary suicide on a dementia thread. You don't even know what is wrong with your topic drift.
Memory loss in a human being is not a reason to "voluntary suicide" /murder the dementia patient.
You might be watching too much TV if you believe that.
signalfire
...
It's time to have a real conversation about voluntary suicide when things get bad enough, take the 'sin' aspect out of it (thanks, church) and realize that sometimes, life isn't worth living anymore.
The US program "Frontline" had an excellent program on voluntary suicide a few months ago, I highly recommend not only the coverage itself, but the information therein. There are worse things than dying. Having a beating heart without any memory is one of them.
...
I saw firsthand how Alzheimer's eats holes in memories. But the worst were those 'good days'. I swear when those fleeting hours of clarity showed in his eyes what I saw was possible the most miserable and wretched man on the Earth at that moment. It was those moments that he knew what was happening that I hated the most.
There is only a pandemic of ignorance.
NCD Pandemic Killing Over 37 Million This Year
In 2011, the NCD Pandemic will kill over 37 million people - more than all other causes combined. Up from 36 million in 2008, the death toll is still climbing; 44 million NCD-caused deaths are expected in 2020, 52 million by 2030. Over 12 million NCD fatalities this year are under the age of 60, at 33% of the NCD death toll - up from 9 million at 25% in 2008. The death toll in people under 40 is rising rapidly. Children are being diagnosed in record numbers, and kids born after 2000 are the first generation expected to die before their parents.
NCDs are incurable, progressing systematically from degeneration to disability, and slowly to death. Some symptoms are treatable, and progression can sometimes be delayed, but prevention is the only real defense.
The soaring NCD disability rate in relatively young people is a global crisis. Few countries have disability programs; in those that do, about .5 Billion people are classified as NCD-disabled and qualify for help. However, uptake stats from disability programs are misleading; most countries have been tightening their criteria regularly since the 1970's, just to cut costs. As a result, many functionally disabled people do not qualify for support, are not classified as disabled, and are not counted. Rough estimates show 3.5 Billion people suffer from NCDs -half the world's population- and the numbers are growing.
The World Economic Forum (WEF) ranks the NCD Pandemic as one of the top global threats to economic development, describing the Pandemic as an economic issue, "not a health issue." Reports conclude the NCD Pandemic is threatening every nations' productivity, decimating the world's labour force, and draining government coffers to cover escalating costs for healthcare, disability, and more. According to the WEF, the NCD Pandemic will cost $47 Trillion between 2011 and 2020.
Originally called "diseases of civilization" because they go hand in hand with industrial development, NCDs have now spread around the world. NCD stands for Non-Communicable Disease but no gender, age or country is immune; historically, nothing ever has spread so far and fast without an infectious component.
The World Health Organization (WHO) identifies the "big four" pandemic NCDs as cancer, heart disease, diabetes, and lung diseases like asthma; the World Economic Forum (WEF) adds "mental health" to the list, including autism, ADHD, depression, anxiety, Mad Cow disease, Alzheimer's, other dementias and more - emphasizing the $16 Trillion "mental health" costs.
soficrow
reply to post by BDBinc
Something horrible is happening to peoples' health - and not just here in North America. Our "diseases of civilization" are spreading around the world. I've been monitoring this and writing about it here for going on a decade. ...I drove up to Manitoba from New Mexico in 2000 - talked to lots of old people along the way. When I said my mom had cancer they ALL said no one ever used to get it but now every 2nd person has it [they were right: 1 in 2 men and 1 in 3 women will get cancer in their lifetime in the US]. And more. Trust me. There IS a chronic disease pandemic and dementia is part of it - the end stage if the early symptoms don't kill you first, imho.
BDBinc
Do you think you can talk about what is best for others?
I am saying it is not my right or your right to tell an individual what he/she can do.